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(01-26-2016 02:11 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:03 PM)Woodowl65 Wrote:  Did anybody else think that Belichek's decision to pass up a field goal deep in Denver's territory down 8 with about 6:50 to go and fail to make the first down was a critical error? We were all saying "What the heck".

It is an odd decision. That said, Belichick makes a slew of baffling decisions regularly, from his choice of plays, to overtime, to who he keeps and cuts and who gets benched. That said, he has won 4 superbowls and has the top record in the NFL over the last 15 years, so with a track record like that, I don't second guess; some don't work out but so many others do.

Basically, on its own, yes it was a "what the heck" decision. Taken in context of Belichick and his history, less so. IMO.

He's also a known cheater and is tainted in my book.
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(01-26-2016 06:05 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 08:35 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 08:28 AM)SammyT Wrote:  Yes, as a lifelong Bronco fan, I can't tell you how delightful it is to see Bradley Roby has taken over the Bonehead position from Rahim Moore. There was obviously a reason for him to be running with that interception. Unfortunately, only he knows what it was.

Are you talking about the 2-point conversion try when New England tried to tie up the game? If Roby scores, it's two more points for Denver and they're up by 4 instead of 2. Plus, it's a dead ball as soon as he's tackled. Now if he fumbles and New England picks it up and somehow manages to score on the same play, I guess it's a tie game. So in that respect, I guess he should just take a knee after the interception?

Once Roby recovered the fumble and saw daylight in front of him, going for the 2-point score to get a 4-point lead was exactly the heads-up play. But it looked like, after he started to go for it, he changed his mind, slowing up to let himself be tackled.

Am I missing some rule nuance here? If he fumbled (which he did) and NE recovered (which they did), could they not advance the ball--possibly for a successful conversion tying the game?

There were 12 seconds left and NE had no timeouts. The two points were meaningless. Just get down.
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(01-27-2016 12:35 PM)SammyT Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 06:05 PM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 08:35 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 08:28 AM)SammyT Wrote:  Yes, as a lifelong Bronco fan, I can't tell you how delightful it is to see Bradley Roby has taken over the Bonehead position from Rahim Moore. There was obviously a reason for him to be running with that interception. Unfortunately, only he knows what it was.

Are you talking about the 2-point conversion try when New England tried to tie up the game? If Roby scores, it's two more points for Denver and they're up by 4 instead of 2. Plus, it's a dead ball as soon as he's tackled. Now if he fumbles and New England picks it up and somehow manages to score on the same play, I guess it's a tie game. So in that respect, I guess he should just take a knee after the interception?

Once Roby recovered the fumble and saw daylight in front of him, going for the 2-point score to get a 4-point lead was exactly the heads-up play. But it looked like, after he started to go for it, he changed his mind, slowing up to let himself be tackled.

Am I missing some rule nuance here? If he fumbled (which he did) and NE recovered (which they did), could they not advance the ball--possibly for a successful conversion tying the game?

There were 12 seconds left and NE had no timeouts. The two points were meaningless. Just get down.
Yes, it was a PAT, so Denver wouldn't get possession following the INT - New England would kick off. They could (and did) attempt an onside kick.
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With 12 seconds on the clock, pats would have had time for two quick plays had they recovered the kick even if a couple seconds ticked off).
A medium distance pass to set up a winning FG was on the table as a higher percentage option with the deficit holding at 2 points.
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(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:11 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:03 PM)Woodowl65 Wrote:  Did anybody else think that Belichek's decision to pass up a field goal deep in Denver's territory down 8 with about 6:50 to go and fail to make the first down was a critical error? We were all saying "What the heck".

It is an odd decision. That said, Belichick makes a slew of baffling decisions regularly, from his choice of plays, to overtime, to who he keeps and cuts and who gets benched. That said, he has won 4 superbowls and has the top record in the NFL over the last 15 years, so with a track record like that, I don't second guess; some don't work out but so many others do.

Basically, on its own, yes it was a "what the heck" decision. Taken in context of Belichick and his history, less so. IMO.

He's also a known cheater and is tainted in my book.

He's definitely plateaued in my book.

Only one bowl appearance in the last 4 seasons and even that year he was unimpressive, losing 4 games.
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Re: RE: OT - NFL playoffs
(01-28-2016 08:30 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:11 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:03 PM)Woodowl65 Wrote:  Did anybody else think that Belichek's decision to pass up a field goal deep in Denver's territory down 8 with about 6:50 to go and fail to make the first down was a critical error? We were all saying "What the heck".

It is an odd decision. That said, Belichick makes a slew of baffling decisions regularly, from his choice of plays, to overtime, to who he keeps and cuts and who gets benched. That said, he has won 4 superbowls and has the top record in the NFL over the last 15 years, so with a track record like that, I don't second guess; some don't work out but so many others do.

Basically, on its own, yes it was a "what the heck" decision. Taken in context of Belichick and his history, less so. IMO.

He's also a known cheater and is tainted in my book.

He's definitely plateaued in my book.

Only one bowl appearance in the last 4 seasons and even that year he was unimpressive, losing 4 games.

Between the AFC East and NFC East crossover, how many bottom quartile opponents did the Patriots have this year?
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(01-28-2016 10:59 AM)YOwl Ming Wrote:  
(01-28-2016 08:30 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:11 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:03 PM)Woodowl65 Wrote:  Did anybody else think that Belichek's decision to pass up a field goal deep in Denver's territory down 8 with about 6:50 to go and fail to make the first down was a critical error? We were all saying "What the heck".

It is an odd decision. That said, Belichick makes a slew of baffling decisions regularly, from his choice of plays, to overtime, to who he keeps and cuts and who gets benched. That said, he has won 4 superbowls and has the top record in the NFL over the last 15 years, so with a track record like that, I don't second guess; some don't work out but so many others do.

Basically, on its own, yes it was a "what the heck" decision. Taken in context of Belichick and his history, less so. IMO.

He's also a known cheater and is tainted in my book.

He's definitely plateaued in my book.

Only one bowl appearance in the last 4 seasons and even that year he was unimpressive, losing 4 games.

Between the AFC East and NFC East crossover, how many bottom quartile opponents did the Patriots have this year?

Yeah, the only teams with a pulse they beat this year were the Steelers, and the Reskins/Texans (depending on who you talk to).

Maybe Belichick needed to clap on the sideline some more?
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(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:11 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:03 PM)Woodowl65 Wrote:  Did anybody else think that Belichek's decision to pass up a field goal deep in Denver's territory down 8 with about 6:50 to go and fail to make the first down was a critical error? We were all saying "What the heck".

It is an odd decision. That said, Belichick makes a slew of baffling decisions regularly, from his choice of plays, to overtime, to who he keeps and cuts and who gets benched. That said, he has won 4 superbowls and has the top record in the NFL over the last 15 years, so with a track record like that, I don't second guess; some don't work out but so many others do.

Basically, on its own, yes it was a "what the heck" decision. Taken in context of Belichick and his history, less so. IMO.

He's also a known cheater and is tainted in my book.

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/ and http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-reaction/

The biggest difference is there really isn't any benefit to taking down the Vikings.

Heck, the Broncos have been involved in far more shady **** than anyone else in the league, but its easy to turn a blind eye I guess...
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RE: OT - NFL playoffs
(01-28-2016 03:05 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 06:13 PM)WIowl Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:11 PM)Antarius Wrote:  
(01-26-2016 02:03 PM)Woodowl65 Wrote:  Did anybody else think that Belichek's decision to pass up a field goal deep in Denver's territory down 8 with about 6:50 to go and fail to make the first down was a critical error? We were all saying "What the heck".

It is an odd decision. That said, Belichick makes a slew of baffling decisions regularly, from his choice of plays, to overtime, to who he keeps and cuts and who gets benched. That said, he has won 4 superbowls and has the top record in the NFL over the last 15 years, so with a track record like that, I don't second guess; some don't work out but so many others do.

Basically, on its own, yes it was a "what the heck" decision. Taken in context of Belichick and his history, less so. IMO.

He's also a known cheater and is tainted in my book.

http://yourteamcheats.com/cheaters/ and http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...-reaction/

The biggest difference is there really isn't any benefit to taking down the Vikings.

Heck, the Broncos have been involved in far more shady **** than anyone else in the league, but its easy to turn a blind eye I guess...

Messing with Pats fans is one of my all-time favorite activities. edit: I have a number of friends who are from the Boston area and I love just lobbing grenades about Deflatgate out there. They can't help but try to throw them back with 100x more fury.

I've never met a more indignant group of sports fans.

Also, I think that the Pat's deflatgate scandal is much more different than the Vikings/Panthers situation you linked to, for the reasons stated in the article. Now whether the NFL's response to each event was correct is debatable, but the allegations against the Patriots were for a much more dubious act than both teams, int he same game, trying to warm up balls during a cold game.
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(01-24-2016 06:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Congratulations to Gary Kubiak (and Klein) for making it to Super Bowl 50.

Indeed - it's remarkable how much Kubiak has improved as a coach in the last two seasons, going from being fired as coach of a team stumbling to fourteen straight losses to coaching a conference champion.
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