(01-12-2016 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Denver turned their noses up at Chicago St, Grand Canyon and Utah Valley ... I can't see themselves wanting No CO as a rival. Completely different missions and histories.

Also not sure how you're saying No AZ would be a regional rival for Denver.

Also not sure how you're saying that Denver would fit into a California bus league + Hawaii. AND they don't have baseball, which is arguably the signature sport of the Big West.


Denver #1 men's sport is hockey. Hands down. They like where they're at, for that sport. Omaha is a regional rival. Well, Omaha is in the Summit. North Dakota should be in the Summit too, for that matter. That would be their two best DI regional rivals in the same conference for men's hockey and men's basketball. Done.


I do agree that if offered membership in the WCC or the MVC, they would accept.

I said Denver would be an odd fit pretty much anywhere they went. There aren't too many of us west of St. Louis that sponsors hockey, lacrosse, skiing and gymnastics.

In the Big Sky, Denver would likely see North Dakota and the Montana's as their true peers because of academics, and especially UND because of hockey. I was just using NAU and UNC as examples of regional conference foes. But football is a no-no for Denver so that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.

I do believe Denver fits the Big West better than the Big Sky. No pressure on Denver to add football. Hawaii and four UCs are a nice team up of academia, and Cal State's ain't so bad either. While Denver lacks baseball, they do sponsor another sport that's important to the BW - men's soccer. They are an NCAA regular now in that sport, a bonus.

Denver's AD hinted that the BW talked to them a few years back about joining. But the conference asked for too much (travel subsidies and adding two sports, methinks). Hence they end up in the Summit.

The Summit membership does work well for Denver. Omaha as you stated because they have hockey, the Dakota's. Oral Roberts is another private institution. It's a decent conference altogether. And there has been no pressure on Denver to add sports. I just don't think it's going to be their long-term home.

(01-15-2016 04:21 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-12-2016 12:06 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  If Denver turned their noses up at Chicago St, Grand Canyon and Utah Valley ... I can't see themselves wanting No CO as a rival. Completely different missions and histories.

Also not sure how you're saying No AZ would be a regional rival for Denver.

Also not sure how you're saying that Denver would fit into a California bus league + Hawaii. AND they don't have baseball, which is arguably the signature sport of the Big West.


Denver #1 men's sport is hockey. Hands down. They like where they're at, for that sport. Omaha is a regional rival. Well, Omaha is in the Summit. North Dakota should be in the Summit too, for that matter. That would be their two best DI regional rivals in the same conference for men's hockey and men's basketball. Done.


I do agree that if offered membership in the WCC or the MVC, they would accept.

I said Denver would be an odd fit pretty much anywhere they went. There aren't too many of us west of St. Louis that sponsors hockey, lacrosse, skiing and gymnastics.

In the Big Sky, Denver would likely see North Dakota and the Montana's as their true peers because of academics, and especially UND because of hockey. I was just using NAU and UNC as examples of regional conference foes. But football is a no-no for Denver so that's not happening anytime soon, if ever.

I do believe Denver fits the Big West better than the Big Sky. No pressure on Denver to add football. Hawaii and four UCs are a nice team up of academia, and Cal State's ain't so bad either. While Denver lacks baseball, they do sponsor another sport that's important to the BW - men's soccer. They are an NCAA regular now in that sport, a bonus.

Denver's AD hinted that the BW talked to them a few years back about joining. But the conference asked for too much (travel subsidies and adding two sports, methinks). Hence they end up in the Summit.

The Summit membership does work well for Denver. Omaha as you stated because they have hockey, the Dakota's. Oral Roberts is another private institution. It's a decent conference altogether. And there has been no pressure on Denver to add sports. I just don't think it's going to be their long-term home.

But I don't think they'll leave for the Big West.

They're not in the West, for one. Not California + Hawaii West, anyway. So yeah, travel subsidies would be needed for the (relatively) small Cal State schools to justify many trips to Denver.

And they'd have to add baseball. I think that would be a requirement for the Big West.


Why do that when they can stay in the Summit. Getting North Dakota in the league would be a great bonus. I'd much rather have UND than Oral Roberts, frankly.


If they do leave, it will be for the sake of their men's bball team getting a significant upgrade. That means WCC (in their ideal world) or MVC. But I don't think the MVC will add another school outside the Great Lakes.

(01-14-2016 11:26 PM)panama Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 11:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 09:58 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 07:57 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-14-2016 06:35 PM)panama Wrote:  Do you have verbal diarrhea? Research is not hard.

It is not a knock on your school. They are not even ready for FBS right now. They have not beat a P5 team.

You wouldn't know an FBS ready team if it hit you in the face. Lamar and EKU were already judged very recently to not be FBS ready. EKU is probably 2 years away. Lamar...eh. As for beating a P5 team? Seriously. If that's the case the most FBS ready team in the Sun Belt is Louisiana Monroe, who owns like half the leagues wins over P5 programs.

NDSU sounds nice, but we're not inviting another football only. Chatanooga is content in FCS, and Jacksonville State would love to come in, but they have the slight problem of having to be approved by Troy and USA, which will happen over the dead bodies of their respective school presidents.

Georgia Southern beat a blue blood team against Florida. Them and Appalachian State were ready to join FBS with instant success.

Lamar already had history in the FBS back in the 1980s. They were former members of the SBC in the past. With them having a Big 12 atmosphere about them? They have been improving each year.

Eastern Kentucky is not like Georgia State. They have been playing football a lot longer.

That was the worst Florida team maybe in their history. You really are showing how little you know about pretty much everything on this planet.

Lamar? Chicago was in the B1G in the 1930's. Call them up too. LMAO. Not even Lamar fans think they can go FBS. So you think that Lamar and EKU that are still in FCS should be in FBS more than a school that has 54k students, already moved up and went to a bowl game less than a month ago after crushing one of the teams you hold up as an ideal like a Coke can (No offense GS). That is a logical argument to you? Let me see if I can get through to your Div II mind. If EKU and Lamar wanted to or had the wherewithal to be in FBS they would be in FBS. It is that simple. All of the schools that wanted to move up invested to make that happen. The funniest part about you is that youre trolling us not in 2012-2014 when it made sense but during a 5 week period where we have beaten Georgia Southern, gone to a bowl, won the bid to purchase Turner Field and our MBB that went to the NCAAs last year has a current RPI of 46. You're a riot dude.

Here we go again. While I think a little more is needed, I think Lamar compares favorably with some of the recent move ups. Facilities, all on campus, are in great shape thanks to either recent new construction or recent renovations. Investments have been made.

Football Stadium and Athletic Complex - Around $35,000,000 spent on new athletic complex and complete stadium renovation.
1. 55,000 sq ft athletic complex built in 2009 vs Georgia Southern's recently built 57,000 sq ft athletic complex.
2. 16,000 seat stadium expandable to 28,000 (Current capacity would be 20,000+ if berm seating was included in official capacity as some programs do.) I would hope for and expect an expansion, but thanks to the recent renovation including modifications to make the stadium ADA compliant, cost would be less than required for some stadiums where the ADA compliance "can was kicked down the road". Even so, 16,000 is the same capacity as the Kibbie Dome (Idaho) and more capacity than Jerry Richardson stadium (UNC Charlotte). Apparently stadium size is not a prerequisite since a newly invited Sun Belt Conference member had and has a stadium with a capacity of less than 10,000 prior to the invite.



10,080 seat arena in basketball configuration (all chair back seats; all cushioned except the upper four rows) - renovations in the last five years. The floor was renovated this summer. The arena now just needs new state-of-the-art video boards to be complete. Those will be installed at the end of this season. An upgrade to the sound system will also be made following season end.


New softball stadium and covered practice facility (construction completed in 2015) - 650 permanent seats; 1,000 seats with berm seating.


Newly resurfaced track stadium - 500 seating capacity (The track was resurfaced last summer and new runways were added).

3,500 seat baseball stadium - Nicer than many already, but $5,000,000+ in additional renovations is in the budget. A 9,600 sq ft indoor practice facility is located next to the stadium.

Soccer and Softball complex built in 2009 (12,000+ sq ft building). 2009's construction included a new soccer stadium (500 seating capacity).

Renovated tennis courts (16 courts including 5 competition courts with seating for 400.) A pro shop/locker room is located in the court complex.


Separate arena for volleyball. Part of a $19 million Recreation Center new build and renovation of existing gym. The volleyball gym has seating for 500. The recreation center has 130,000 sq ft and includes a running track climbing wall, handball courts, training equipment, etc.


The athletic budget is already larger than some FBS programs. The program has had a history of very generous donors. The student body voted overwhelmingly in approval of additional athletics fees prior to the restart of football.

Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

(01-15-2016 02:37 PM)panama Wrote:  Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

My money is on no one being called up to FBS in the next ten years or so. ANybody who turned down the WAC has lost their chance at FBS for a generation or so.

EVen if the Big XII expands, the AAC has the option of sticking at 10 rather than figuring out who the 2 least unattractive options are.

Even if the Big 12 expands AND the AAC takes 2 from CUSA, CUSA would be much more likely stick at 12 than to take anyone left in the Sun Belt.

The only possible exception is Liberty, who may try to sue their way into nominal FBS status, and end up where UMass is now at best.

(01-15-2016 02:37 PM)panama Wrote:  Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

I added two more so that it would equal 22.

LMAO

(01-15-2016 02:37 PM)panama Wrote:  Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

The next thing you know, David will locate a Chip & Dale school and start posting them up for membership in the Sun Belt.

(01-15-2016 04:56 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:37 PM)panama Wrote:  Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

The next thing you know, David will locate a Chip & Dale school and start posting them up for membership in the Sun Belt.

That dude is dangerous after 10 PM

(01-15-2016 02:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:37 PM)panama Wrote:  Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

My money is on no one being called up to FBS in the next ten years or so. ANybody who turned down the WAC has lost their chance at FBS for a generation or so.

EVen if the Big XII expands, the AAC has the option of sticking at 10 rather than figuring out who the 2 least unattractive options are.

Even if the Big 12 expands AND the AAC takes 2 from CUSA, CUSA would be much more likely stick at 12 than to take anyone left in the Sun Belt.

The only possible exception is Liberty, who may try to sue their way into nominal FBS status, and end up where UMass is now at best.

Even if that's true, I'd still like to see NDSU make a run at FBS independence in football, if Liberty somehow cracks the door open. No matter how crazy it is.

FCS is sooooo BORING! No one can compete with NDSU, outside a couple teams in the MVFC.

(01-16-2016 01:09 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-15-2016 02:37 PM)panama Wrote:  Say there name three times and get 22 photos. Wasn't Lamar one of the 22 schools Benson offered up...twice..?

My money is on no one being called up to FBS in the next ten years or so. ANybody who turned down the WAC has lost their chance at FBS for a generation or so.

EVen if the Big XII expands, the AAC has the option of sticking at 10 rather than figuring out who the 2 least unattractive options are.

Even if the Big 12 expands AND the AAC takes 2 from CUSA, CUSA would be much more likely stick at 12 than to take anyone left in the Sun Belt.

The only possible exception is Liberty, who may try to sue their way into nominal FBS status, and end up where UMass is now at best.

Even if that's true, I'd still like to see NDSU make a run at FBS independence in football, if Liberty somehow cracks the door open. No matter how crazy it is.

FCS is sooooo BORING! No one can compete with NDSU, outside a couple teams in the MVFC.

Maybe ESPN would be so kindly show the live North Dakota State on the road against Iowa this fall 2016 football game.

http://www.gobison.com/schedule.aspx?sch...obile=skip

Lets see how they beat up the second place Big 10 school? This could be a great game, and could have tested Iowa last year.