(01-08-2016 01:30 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:20 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:21 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  for me it's simple...

living in the South, my mom kept a small garden, and I liked to help with it...she would grow tomatoes, cucumbers, etc...I've seen actual orange trees in Florida.

they look like the stuff in the organic section...that's why I prefer it...plus, I can afford it with my discount.

Bet you used pesticides in your garden. I do. All this "organic" food is BS propaganda. It is not a damn bit better for you than any of the other food..and don't be fooled. Very few actually don't use pesticides and herbicides. It is one of the biggest frauds around.

It's not that organic is better for you. It's that pesticides are bad for you. What makes you think that things labeled organic are not so?

There are around 20 organic pesticides that are approved for "organic" farming. The hoax is that those pesticides derived from nature..instead of being synthetic are almost equally hazardous. Just because the pesticide is "natural" does not make it safer. Also there are more dangers from pathogens such as E Coli in organic farming. Organic farming is not actually what it is packaged and sold as. In fact...It actually may be more hazardous your health than conventional farming. There are plenty of articles on this subject.

(01-08-2016 11:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:56 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Organic food is the fuel of white privilege.

Most of it is fraud anyway. If you really think for a second that NO pesticides are used? You are a damn fool.

I know some organic farmers. They are highly regulated.

(01-08-2016 11:36 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:06 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:35 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:29 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:22 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  Of course it's healthy but the non-organic stuff is a hell of a lot healthier than a ******* Big Mac. Damn, can you not make these stupid ass misleading posts? Do you really think we're not going to call you out on this stupidity?

Our definition of healthy is clearly not the same...

From the Mayo Clinic

"A recent study examined the past 50 years' worth of scientific articles about the nutrient content of organic and conventional foods. The researchers concluded that organically and conventionally produced foodstuffs are not significantly different in their nutrient content."

Agreed. There are a lot of people who aren't poor who are pretty ignorant about food. But then they aren't obese. They spend lots more for things that are not nutritionally different (maybe it makes them feel better about the environment-that's ok if they want to pay for it).

Yeah there's the same amount of nutrients in each. Most people who seek out organics do it so they don't ingest pesticides which studies have linked to Parkinson and Alzheimer's among other diseases. Eating conventional whole foods is certainly better than eating all processed food.

Some foods are better than others from a pesticide absorption perspective. But most produce, if properly washed, won't have pesticides in them.

(01-08-2016 01:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:56 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Organic food is the fuel of white privilege.

Most of it is fraud anyway. If you really think for a second that NO pesticides are used? You are a damn fool.

I know some organic farmers. They are highly regulated.

Regulation does not mean safer. Natural does not mean safer. They still use potentially dangerous natural pesticides and fertilization methods. The only difference is the use of natural..vs. synthetics in the processes. Both can be dangerous. It is the perception that is different. Not the reality.

If folks are really worried about it, then grow a garden. It's not that expensive, but it is a ****-ton of work.

(01-08-2016 02:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:56 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Organic food is the fuel of white privilege.

Most of it is fraud anyway. If you really think for a second that NO pesticides are used? You are a damn fool.

I know some organic farmers. They are highly regulated.

Regulation does not mean safer. Natural does not mean safer. They still use potentially dangerous natural pesticides and fertilization methods. The only difference is the use of natural..vs. synthetics in the processes. Both can be dangerous. It is the perception that is different. Not the reality.

Depends, if you're talking industrial farming then yeah. It's a shame what the USDA allows to be called organic. Buy local and wash your produce is the best option. In the winter it's tougher. Also, as Bull pointed out not all produce absorbs chemicals that are sprayed on it the same.

(01-08-2016 02:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  If folks are really worried about it, then grow a garden. It's not that expensive, but it is a ****-ton of work.

We are talking about people so lazy they will spend four times as much money to go through a drive-thru for their family of four than bake a pack of chicken thighs and heat a can of mixed vegetables on a stove.

(01-08-2016 02:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  If folks are really worried about it, then grow a garden. It's not that expensive, but it is a ****-ton of work.

Even with your own garden you are likely to use pesticides and herbicides. Very few have the time and expertise to do it truly organic. I have a garden and I only use Sevin dust up until the plants bloom and begin to bear. I use no pesticides on the vegetables themselves. I do use conventional fertilizers. That is about as "organic" as I can deal with.

(01-08-2016 02:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 10:56 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Organic food is the fuel of white privilege.

Most of it is fraud anyway. If you really think for a second that NO pesticides are used? You are a damn fool.

I know some organic farmers. They are highly regulated.

Regulation does not mean safer. Natural does not mean safer. They still use potentially dangerous natural pesticides and fertilization methods. The only difference is the use of natural..vs. synthetics in the processes. Both can be dangerous. It is the perception that is different. Not the reality.

Depends, if you're talking industrial farming then yeah. It's a shame what the USDA allows to be called organic. Buy local and wash your produce is the best option. In the winter it's tougher. Also, as Bull pointed out not all produce absorbs chemicals that are sprayed on it the same.

Im not saying the "organic" farming is bad. I just don't believe it is cost effective for the benefits touted. I have a local grower friend that uses zero pesticides. He plants flower and plant species between rows that control pests and only uses composted soil as his medium. There is no need for fertilizers. He is truly an "organic" grower. A lot of what I know about this came from his constant bitchn about this subject. The USDA should revise the labeling in regard to Organics. Only growers like my friend should get that classification. Other growers should be labeled "Natural"..not organic.

3 classes should be developed...."Synthetic"..."Natural"..."Organic". That would give the consumer a clear picture of how the food was produced.

(01-08-2016 02:31 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:20 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:14 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 01:51 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:06 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Most of it is fraud anyway. If you really think for a second that NO pesticides are used? You are a damn fool.

I know some organic farmers. They are highly regulated.

Regulation does not mean safer. Natural does not mean safer. They still use potentially dangerous natural pesticides and fertilization methods. The only difference is the use of natural..vs. synthetics in the processes. Both can be dangerous. It is the perception that is different. Not the reality.

Depends, if you're talking industrial farming then yeah. It's a shame what the USDA allows to be called organic. Buy local and wash your produce is the best option. In the winter it's tougher. Also, as Bull pointed out not all produce absorbs chemicals that are sprayed on it the same.

Im not saying the "organic" farming is bad. I just don't believe it is cost effective for the benefits touted. I have a local grower friend that uses zero pesticides. He plants flower and plant species between rows that control pests and only uses composted soil as his medium. There is no need for fertilizers. He is truly an "organic" grower. A lot of what I know about this came from his constant bitchn about this subject. The USDA should revise the labeling in regard to Organics. Only growers like my friend should get that classification. Other growers should be labeled "Natural"..not organic.

3 classes should be developed...."Synthetic"..."Natural"..."Organic". That would give the consumer a clear picture of how the food was produced.

Yeah labeling is a big issue these days. The USDA is in bed with all the industrial growers though so no chance of reasonable regulations.

On a related note, I was enjoying a vanilla stout with my buddy one day and he mentioned that when you see "natural vanilla flavoring" it might actually be not from vanilla bean but from the anal secretions of a beaver. Since beaver anal secretions are "natural" they're allowed to list it thus. So you've got a point. Sometimes synthetic may be better.

If I'm going to eat any fruit that is "organic" it's going to be an item in which the skin is eaten. If it's peeled, etc, then I'm not concerned if it's "organic". I pretty much think "organic" is just a marketing slogan anyway to get a higher price.

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  If I'm going to eat any fruit that is "organic" it's going to be an item in which the skin is eaten. If it's peeled, etc, then I'm not concerned if it's "organic". I pretty much think "organic" is just a marketing slogan anyway to get a higher price.

It pretty much is.

Pretty sure it also means not genetically modified, like you see in corn and apples, maybe someone else can comment on that. (?)

(01-08-2016 02:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:16 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  If folks are really worried about it, then grow a garden. It's not that expensive, but it is a ****-ton of work.

We are talking about people so lazy they will spend four times as much money to go through a drive-thru for their family of four than bake a pack of chicken thighs and heat a can of mixed vegetables on a stove.

Or 4 times as much time sitting in front of the tv as they would tending to a family garden. The ***** not rocket science. It just takes a little work.

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(01-08-2016 03:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  If I'm going to eat any fruit that is "organic" it's going to be an item in which the skin is eaten. If it's peeled, etc, then I'm not concerned if it's "organic". I pretty much think "organic" is just a marketing slogan anyway to get a higher price.

It pretty much is.

Hipsters and paranoid helicopter moms are the types that fall for this ****.

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(01-08-2016 03:09 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Pretty sure it also means not genetically modified, like you see in corn and apples, maybe someone else can comment on that. (?)

That is another issue. Organic could be GM I suppose. That is the next push...to label GM foods also. I really care more about how it is grown than the GM issue personally.

(01-08-2016 09:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 09:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  Schools have de-emphasized PE. JFK made a big deal about it and schools emphasized it. Now it is going in the opposite direction. And in HS they are getting everyone college prep courses when something like Home Ec and family budgeting would be a lot more important math course for many.

Schools are de-emphasizing PE to make more time for scholastic instruction. Given test results, It appears that strategy is working perfectly.


/s

I can't speak for anywhere else but in my county every child from K-8 has PE every school day, except when we are taking standardized tests.

(01-08-2016 03:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 03:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  If I'm going to eat any fruit that is "organic" it's going to be an item in which the skin is eaten. If it's peeled, etc, then I'm not concerned if it's "organic". I pretty much think "organic" is just a marketing slogan anyway to get a higher price.

It pretty much is.

Hipsters and paranoid helicopter moms are the types that fall for this ****.

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Hey....I'm not hating on 'em for it. God knows with all the regulations and BS you have to go through it's hard enough to make a living farming as it is. If they can take advantage of someone's stupidity to make more money more power to 'em.

The really smart ones are doubling up on it with the "non-GMO" bullcrap. As Dr. John Bridges so eloquently put it "A fool and his money are soon parted."

(01-08-2016 04:04 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 03:58 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 03:05 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 02:58 PM)VA49er Wrote:  If I'm going to eat any fruit that is "organic" it's going to be an item in which the skin is eaten. If it's peeled, etc, then I'm not concerned if it's "organic". I pretty much think "organic" is just a marketing slogan anyway to get a higher price.

It pretty much is.

Hipsters and paranoid helicopter moms are the types that fall for this ****.

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Hey....I'm not hating on 'em for it. God knows with all the regulations and BS you have to go through it's hard enough to make a living farming as it is. If they can take advantage of someone's stupidity to make more money more power to 'em.

The really smart ones are doubling up on it with the "non-GMO" bullcrap. As Dr. John Bridges so eloquently put it "A fool and his money are soon parted."

The problem I have is the marketing. It clearly is deceptive and very close to being fraudulent. Organic does not mean pesticide free...which is the common claim. It is synthetic pesticide free...not pesticide free. Look up Rotenone. I think it finally got banned..but was used for decades by organic farmers. The schit caused Parkinsons in lab rats but is a natural pesticide. There are others on the approved list that are noxious and toxic.

(01-08-2016 04:00 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 03:09 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Pretty sure it also means not genetically modified, like you see in corn and apples, maybe someone else can comment on that. (?)

That is another issue. Organic could be GM I suppose. That is the next push...to label GM foods also. I really care more about how it is grown than the GM issue personally.

Everything has been modified by man. The only issue is whether they manipulate the actual genes or do it through cross-breeding. That big yellow ear of corn would be a multi-colored thing the size of your pinkie if man hadn't modified it.