Anybody else watching this? I am through episode 5 and I am ready to through something through the TV. It's disgusting. Having said that I know stuff like this is designed to make you feel that way. Anybody aware of a good source that presents a side more friendly toward the Sheriff , DA and judge? Right now this looks like the most corrupt thing I have ever seen.

(01-07-2016 11:53 AM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Anybody else watching this? I am through episode 5 and I am ready to through something through the TV. It's disgusting. Having said that I know stuff like this is designed to make you feel that way. Anybody aware of a good source that presents a side more friendly toward the Sheriff , DA and judge? Right now this looks like the most corrupt thing I have ever seen.

It's on my list of stuff to watch when I get around to it. I assume it's a good one if you stuck with it that long?

You should probably watch the whole thing before reading anything additional about. I will say the DA has said the documentary has excluded evidence that serves as proof but even that does not change my mind.

Multiple members of law enforcement had reputations on the line and there was the little sum of money ($36 million), which makes everything look even more suspicious.

Pretty sure this thread is headed for the 30-40 page range.

I've watched some of it and done a lot of reading online trying to find the other side. Definitely looks like some deep corruption for the Sheriffs office. Not sure they got the wrong man in the murder investigation, but there is enough to make me question his guilt.

I just finished episode 9 last night. I end up staying up way to late because I cant turn it off.

Funny, I know of no one in Wisconsin that doubts Avery did it. It wasn't even an issue. People around here are shocked that, because of some tv show, people actually believe he is innocent.

I have watched the whole thing. Even after reading that there was lots of evidence left out of the documentary, I feel like there is a lot of shadiness going on

I watched the whole thing in two sittings. I am convinced that law enforcement planted evidence. I am also convinced that Avery is guilty based on information I read about that was not presented in the documentary, which makes me feel very manipulated by the film makers.

As to the nephew, I have reasonable doubt that he was involved in killing her. I do believe he was involved in the cleanup afterward and knew what his uncle had done.

(01-07-2016 01:49 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Funny, I know of no one in Wisconsin that doubts Avery did it. It wasn't even an issue. People around here are shocked that, because of some tv show, people actually believe he is innocent.

You can tell Avery's weren't very popular with the other local residents.

My issue if he killed her in the manner that was described by the police during their press conference, where is all of her blood? You shoot some in the head in your garage, there are going to be blood particles everywhere.


The other big piece for me is why you put her body in a car when the fire is right outside your house? Doesn't make one bit of sense.

I really wish there was more about the ex-boyfriend and her roommate in the shows. The ex-boyfriend looked very nervous on the stand and couldn't tell what time of day he last saw her.

I read somewhere that some of the information excluded in the series was that the photographer had been out to his house previously to take pictures and he came to the door in nothing but a towel. She told her supervisor that she did not wish to go back out to his houses on assignments. Avery called several times specifically requesting her to come and take pictures. Around the same time, he purchased handcuffs. He called her three times that the murder took place and intentionally blocked his number so she would not know it was him.

Leaving all of that out of the series makes it clear that the film makers intentionally mislead its audience.

As to the nephew, one thing that sticks out to me toward the end of the series, when he is testifying and trying to recant his confession. He is asked where did he come up with such a detailed scenario if he had not witnessed it. He said "Maybe a book". He was asked what book would have that information. He said "maybe Kiss the Girls". Kiss the Girls is a James Patterson book and does have that type of scene in it, but the nephew does not strike me as an avid reader. Seems obvious that was fed that information by his attorney. A good prosecutor would have quizzed him on the plotline and more details of the book that he supposedly read.

(01-07-2016 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  I read somewhere that some of the information excluded in the series was that the photographer had been out to his house previously to take pictures and he came to the door in nothing but a towel. She told her supervisor that she did not wish to go back out to his houses on assignments. Avery called several times specifically requesting her to come and take pictures. Around the same time, he purchased handcuffs. He called her three times that the murder took place and intentionally blocked his number so she would not know it was him.

Leaving all of that out of the series makes it clear that the film makers intentionally mislead its audience.

As to the nephew, one thing that sticks out to me toward the end of the series, when he is testifying and trying to recant his confession. He is asked where did he come up with such a detailed scenario if he had not witnessed it. He said "Maybe a book". He was asked what book would have that information. He said "maybe Kiss the Girls". Kiss the Girls is a James Patterson book and does have that type of scene in it, but the nephew does not strike me as an avid reader. Seems obvious that was fed that information by his attorney. A good prosecutor would have quizzed him on the plotline and more details of the book that he supposedly read.

The fact that the DA tries to use that omission to discredit the film is even more shady to me. Read Strang's response.

Strang

I believe he is guilty of that murder. This isn't like the west memphis 3 documentaries. There is physical & circumstantial evidence linking Avery to this one.

Yeah but if that evidence is planted what does that mean.

Yes, and jetfuel can't melt steel beams either.

It is a Docufilm for profit and entertainment. Just like they made a magic bullet for JFK that had no magic in it.

(01-08-2016 09:07 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  It is a Docufilm for profit and entertainment. Just like they made a magic bullet for JFK that had no magic in it.

Except there is actual evidence here. Not quite sure this case qualifies as a "tinfoil hat" type documentary.

And according to officials there is evidence they didn't put in the show.

I don't know if Avery did it, I am certain that Lenk, at minimum, was crooked and did plant evidence.

I don't think Brendan was involved either way.

(01-07-2016 03:37 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  As to the nephew, one thing that sticks out to me toward the end of the series, when he is testifying and trying to recant his confession. He is asked where did he come up with such a detailed scenario if he had not witnessed it. He said "Maybe a book". He was asked what book would have that information. He said "maybe Kiss the Girls". Kiss the Girls is a James Patterson book and does have that type of scene in it, but the nephew does not strike me as an avid reader. Seems obvious that was fed that information by his attorney. A good prosecutor would have quizzed him on the plotline and more details of the book that he supposedly read.

While I certainly agree it's unlikely Brendan read that book, I thought it was kind of ridiculous to suggest he couldn't have made up the story, especially when he was essentially given help by the interrogators guiding his testimony. I have no doubt that his confession was false, if Avery killed her, it certainly wasn't in the way Brendan described and there was never any DNA putting him in the trailer or garage.

Put me in the boat of not quite sure if Avery is guilty. To me the "evidence" seemed too suspicious to prove 100% guilty. For instance, I don't get how the key to the RAV4 was found after multiple sweeps of the room. It was in plain sight and "discovered" by a Officer Lenk, who was included in the $36 million lawsuit. Second, the way the DA describes this murder, Halbach was bound and tied to Avery's bed. She was then stabbed, her throat was slashed, and then shot. Where was all the blood at? Avery is described as a man of below average intelligence. Was he able to clean this blood from his mattress, carpet, walls, etc? Now the 11 shell casings the investigators found in March after Brenden was arrested. Again, these investigators missed 11 casings after multiple sweeps of the property the previous November? These people must really suck at their job! What about the officer who called dispatch where it sounded as if he found the RAV4 before it was found at the Avery compound? Finally the blood vile. That evidence was obviously tampered with. The state combated this by having the FBI resurrect a test to detect EDT in less than 3 weeks. The memo the FBI recieved by the state indicated the direction in which they wanted the results to lean.

Regarding Brenden, that poor kid had no chance. It was disgusting to watch his court appointed lawyer lead him in a direction in which he would believe he was guilty. The investigators took advantage of his low ability to process information and led their questioning to get the answers they wanted. His shyster lawyer Len C. was in obvious cahoots with the DA and Brenden was completely screwed from the get go. To me his interrogations alone would have been enough for me as a juror to say that he was manipulated by law enforcement and the judicial system to get what they wanted. The system failed him miserably.