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(01-06-2016 09:58 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  Read the Bourne Dialogue Q&A regarding this situation...seriously, is it possible for someone to say so much without actually saying anything at all. Absolutely no substance and political speak. He and Alger are worthless.

What do you expect him to say?

Maybe we have a short list of candidates who we will be interviewing in the next few days and will make a decision in short order?

Exactly. I want a leader to speak more directly and with more sense of urgency.

Bourne admits in the DNR that he did not know Withers was talking to Tex State until Tuesday of this week. Bourne not knowing what is going on in his own department translates into he did not ask Withers this question, "name the schools you are in contract with."
01-07-2016 07:56 AM
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I'd go after KC Keeler quick. I don't know the veracity of his involvement with Texas St but if there is any truth to it he's in the market. When he went to SHSU he quickly made a mark with bringing in a number of transfers. With EW's timing departure we may very well be in the same boat, like him or not nobody in FCS has proven they can work the transfer market better than Keeler. By the way he talked when he was at Delaware you got the feeling he admired JMU so I'd reach out to him TODAY, if they didn't already last night!
01-07-2016 07:59 AM
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(01-07-2016 07:54 AM)dukesfan4010 Wrote:  Agree on Barlow. Any chance Latrell Scott gets a look?

Barlow yes. Scott, no.
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(01-07-2016 12:35 AM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  
(01-07-2016 12:14 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Jamie Chadwell at Charleston Southern is a great up and coming coach. If you can win at CS, you can win anywhere. He was on the short list for the Ga Southern gig a few weeks ago.

Mike Houston at Citadel or Turner Gill at Liberty.

What makes you think Gill would be a good hire? I don't seen it at all. Just a poorer version of Mike London.
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(01-07-2016 07:59 AM)JMUforBreakfast Wrote:  I'd go after KC Keeler quick. I don't know the veracity of his involvement with Texas St but if there is any truth to it he's in the market. When he went to SHSU he quickly made a mark with bringing in a number of transfers. With EW's timing departure we may very well be in the same boat, like him or not nobody in FCS has proven they can work the transfer market better than Keeler. By the way he talked when he was at Delaware you got the feeling he admired JMU so I'd reach out to him TODAY, if they didn't already last night!

I agree. If Keeler came to JMU he'd stay, and he's been successful at this level, especially in big games.
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Keeler was drummed out of UD similar to the way Matthews was here. Certainly not the worst choice, but not convinced he would be ideal either. He has taken things the right direction at SHSU.

Having said that, the admin needs to move at lightning speed for this hire or the program will be negatively impacted. Sadly I have little confidence in Bourne and Alger to execute on this.
01-07-2016 08:30 AM
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(01-07-2016 07:56 AM)Purplehazed Wrote:  
(01-07-2016 07:02 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 10:27 PM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 10:04 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 09:58 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  Read the Bourne Dialogue Q&A regarding this situation...seriously, is it possible for someone to say so much without actually saying anything at all. Absolutely no substance and political speak. He and Alger are worthless.

What do you expect him to say?

Maybe we have a short list of candidates who we will be interviewing in the next few days and will make a decision in short order?


Exactly. I want a leader to speak more directly and with more sense of urgency.

Bourne admits in the DNR that he did not know Withers was talking to Tex State until Tuesday of this week. Bourne not knowing what is going on in his own department translates into he did not ask Withers this question, "name the schools you are in contract with."

There is no way on this green Earth that Withers told anyone he was shopping around except maybe his wife. He's all about himself, and the reactions from his own colleagues and students say it.
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(01-06-2016 11:57 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  Can't believe we're going with Carr again. Why doesn't our AD have a short list like the following:

DeFilip
Shane Beamer
KC Keeler
Chip West
Scot Loeffler

Hell half of us this board could come up with 5 solid candidates.

Maybe the Alpha Dogs will identify their top candidates. So much for those fancy helmets, etc making our HC a genuine person. He was lying to us from Day 1.

How would any of us know if the AD has a short list, long list or no list?
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(01-07-2016 07:02 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 10:27 PM)Dukes2Space Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 10:04 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 09:58 PM)atljmualum Wrote:  Read the Bourne Dialogue Q&A regarding this situation...seriously, is it possible for someone to say so much without actually saying anything at all. Absolutely no substance and political speak. He and Alger are worthless.

What do you expect him to say?

Maybe we have a short list of candidates who we will be interviewing in the next few days and will make a decision in short order?

Exactly. I want a leader to speak more directly and with more sense of urgency.

Again what did you expect him to say?
01-07-2016 08:48 AM
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Guys, I am not completely opposed to Keeler. The thought did go through my mind. But transfers are absolutely the way he runs his program. Its not a one time thing at SHSU this past year.

Delaware under Keeler lived and died, literally, by transfers. Typically at QB. Andy Hall worked out great. Joe Flacco worked out well. Sonny Riccio did not. There was another one or two others thrown in there that were awful.

Look at the volatility of Delaware's performance during Keeler's tenure. In 11 years at UD, Delaware made the national championship game 3 times and won once. They only made the playoffs ONE other time. 4 trips in 11 years. In the early 2000s, Delaware was who we have become - the school with resources and a rabid fan base. By the time Keeler left UD, he had taken much of the sting OUT of Delaware football.

It wasnt just at Delaware. Prior to coming to UD, Keeler had a string of extremely successful (national runner up) finishes at Rowan. He made a habit of bringing in D-I castoffs, many of which had not chosen to leave their D-I schools of their own volition (they were kicked out of school).

As a risk-manager first, Jon Alger would not seem to be a fan of Keeler, but then again, it seems as though Withers' past is checkered too. In a November article in the USAToday/thebiglead.com, JMU alum Jason McIntyre mentioned Withers name for the UVA job, but alluded to behind the scenes baggage for Withers. I suppose that could have been his JMU relations with admin, but I cant imagine Withers didnt behave this way elsewhere.

http://thebiglead.com/2015/11/05/virgini...jim-grobe/

I'm still a fan of Mike London for this hire, but if a number of folks here think he is awful, then he's probably not the right choice. I really dont understand the negativity towards him - especially since, in very different ways, JMU's last two coaches turned off many people with their personalities. London is a class act.
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(01-07-2016 09:06 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I'm still a fan of Mike London for this hire, but if a number of folks here think he is awful, then he's probably not the right choice. I really dont understand the negativity towards him - especially since, in very different ways, JMU's last two coaches turned off many people with their personalities. London is a class act.

Most people would argue he's just not a good head coach, and that he won a title at UR thanks to Dave Clawson building the team.
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Durden. And he brings the Ole Miss transfer with him
01-07-2016 09:17 AM
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(01-07-2016 09:22 AM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  The key to all of this is getting the Alpha Dogs back on board. You do that, all the names you guys mentioned are off the table because we will be able to bring in someone of a higher caliber. I am not hung up on the whole connection to JMU thing. I want the best coach and if they leave in a couple years, so what? Texas State was a surprise and a bit underwhelming, ECU would have been understandable. Look at Ark State, they go through a coach a year and seem to be doing ok. Withers did not win the big games either; 2 games at home vs Liberty and Colgate both lost. So, next man up. some are taking it personal it seems. I'm not. it was always a temporary thing (just like Matt Brady was going to be but he didn't win enough to move on and didn't lose enough to get fired so here we are 7 years later).

A supposed finalist last time was Rod Smith from Arizona. That would be interesting.

What about Matt Canada - former Wolfpack OC. Just got the curb but interviewed for ECu HC and before this year had been turning out decent offenses. Also, NC State would be on the hook for portion of his salary so $$ would not be an issue.

Kendal Briles - would keep the offense train moving

Shawn Elliott - was interim coach for USC

Somone mentioned Major Applewhite - could be a good thought

I think it is going to be someone off the radar who hasn't been mentioned (including my mentions), especially if the Alpha Dogs are on board.

I saw Rod Smith's name mentioned for a reasonably big job recently and that he had taken his name out of the running. I'd be good with giving him a close look.

Durden is an interesting option.

I'm done speculating until the actual names come out!
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(01-07-2016 12:00 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Rocco. Look at what he has done at schools far tougher to recruit to than JMU. He has consistently good offenses. QBs and WRs want to play for him and he usually has a fairly stout offensive line. He has never had a losing season and has advanced in the playoffs several times. At 55, he likely would stay until retirement.

There has to be some good head coaches at other FCS programs that would see JMU as a step up.

If we could land, pry Rocco away that would be a GREAT HIRE!!! Don't see that happening unless he likes the idea of taking a program to FBS one day and being long-term. UR ain't never moving up.
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(01-07-2016 12:07 AM)PurpleStreamers Wrote:  Good List: Bowers, Mehringer, Elliot, DeFelippo, Ulrick Edmonds

Medium/Shaky List: Keeler, Scott

Terrible (soul-crushing, quit the program) list: Beamer, Stinespring, London

Also, betting they can get around the general assembly/hiring process rules by hiring an "Interim" for a year, then do the fake search to please the General Assembly next year, plus they'll have a year to get a look at someone. Otherwise, with NSD in two weeks we can kiss the next three years goodbye if we actually have to effing post the listing for 30 days.

I would flip Scott and London in your list. Two much baggage with Scott IMO.
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(01-07-2016 07:54 AM)dukesfan4010 Wrote:  Agree on Barlow. Any chance Latrell Scott gets a look?

Like Barlow a lot.........Scott not so much.
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(01-06-2016 10:28 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Bourne and Alger should have been prepared for this day. Withers was on the short list at ECU back in December. If they didn't put feelers out through Carr sports several weeks ago then something is wrong in the ivory tower.

FBS coordinator with a strong recruiting track record is the likely pool. Perhaps a FCS head coach if they are a long term proven winner yet still young enough to build a FBS program that JMU will eventually have.

Alger will ensure an applicant pool that is heavy with diversity. As I said 2 years ago, that is a good thing.

I think that every first week of December football coaching requisitions for each position should be posted no matter the situation. then just cancel the announcements if the coaching staff is staying.

or we could get the stupid ass bureaucrats to exempt certain positions from the stupid state requirements.
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(01-07-2016 08:46 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(01-06-2016 11:57 PM)JMU1987UVA1998 Wrote:  Can't believe we're going with Carr again. Why doesn't our AD have a short list like the following:

DeFilip
Shane Beamer
KC Keeler
Chip West
Scot Loeffler

Hell half of us this board could come up with 5 solid candidates.

Maybe the Alpha Dogs will identify their top candidates. So much for those fancy helmets, etc making our HC a genuine person. He was lying to us from Day 1.

How would any of us know if the AD has a short list, long list or no list?

There's a list, and you can bet everything the athletics staff is in a meeting right now talking about it.
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(01-06-2016 10:14 PM)olddawg Wrote:  Screw the state and this job posting crap. A freakin' state employee put us in this time critical situation. Just hire someone and deal with the consequences later.

You can get a waiver in certain situations (you deem it an "emergency hire") and then repost later. ODU had to do that with a spot--defensive coordinator I think, and then some fans wondered why the required posting showed up after someone had been hired.
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Al Golden :) jk I can't watch him ruin TWO programs.
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