The clowns were appointed by Gov Snyder. You can't be this thick. Snyder's appointees made the switch. They were in charge. Holy Shnitke's! Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

Elevated blood lead levels have been detected in some of the city's youngest residents after the city in 2014 switched to using the Flint River as its water source. The decision was made while Flint was run by four separate emergency managers appointed by Snyder.

In October, the state Department of Environmental Quality acknowledged it had failed to require the city to treat Flint River water to make it less corrosive.

Federal prosecutors on Tuesday confirmed they are investigating Flint's water crisis, according to a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office.

(01-06-2016 09:29 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The clowns were appointed by Gov Snyder. You can't be this thick. Snyder's appointees made the switch. They were in charge. Holy Shnitke's! Denial isn't just a river in Africa.

So you don't know the difference between the elected city council and appointed emergency manager? Only one guy was appointed by the state initially... Ie, when all these dumb decisions went down.

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Oh my Gawd Blunder. You are wrong! I'll make you a bet. If the decision came from a Democrat I'll go silent for a month. If the decision came from a Snyder you decide your loss. It's idiotic to keep arguing with you. You are wrong plain and simple. Snyder's appointees made the switch.

Wow. All this hysteria because people changed the water to save money. It's not like they were switching to get nuclear power plant runoff. The water was bad, so they are trying to remedy it. Anyway, wasn't this just a temporary measure because they were running pipe to another water supply.

If you think Snyder is responsible for this, you must not sleep with Obama in the White House!!!

(01-06-2016 09:16 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You've never been to Lake Huron obviously. The upper UP is drop dead gorgeous.

I think your thinking of Lake Superior....

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ss...r_gov.html


It clearly states in post 22 from the above link a Snyder appointee made the switch.

Exactly how did Snyder cause this?

(01-06-2016 09:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Oh my Gawd Blunder. You are wrong! I'll make you a bet. If the decision came from a Democrat I'll go silent for a month. If the decision came from a Snyder you decide your loss. It's idiotic to keep arguing with you. You are wrong plain and simple. Snyder's appointees made the switch.

Again, one guy appointed by the state vs many locally elected council members + mayor.

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Huron is great. That whole area upstate is great. Lake Michigan, Superior, Huron. Lake Erie really cleaned up until the phosphorous levels started to spike after 2008 with the spread sheet farmers.

The local city council had no control over the water system. Seriously Stop. You are making a fool of yourself.

(01-06-2016 09:48 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The local city council had no control over the water system. Seriously Stop. You are making a fool of yourself.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics.../76037130/

Quote: the Flint City Council, which was under a state-appointed emergency manager, voted 7-1 in favor of a switch in the source of its water supply from the City of Detroit to a new Karegnondi Water Authority, a move that would ultimately lead to Flint using corrosive water from the Flint River as an interim source, which produced drinking water with unsafe levels of lead.

Quote:records don't show that Snyder or Dillon decided Flint residents should drink Flint River water until their new KWA pipeline to Lake Huron was completed.

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(01-06-2016 09:46 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 09:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Oh my Gawd Blunder. You are wrong! I'll make you a bet. If the decision came from a Democrat I'll go silent for a month. If the decision came from a Snyder you decide your loss. It's idiotic to keep arguing with you. You are wrong plain and simple. Snyder's appointees made the switch.

Again, one guy appointed by the state vs many locally elected council members + mayor.

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You know...it's funny how Mach isn't focusing on the reason why the state had an appointed manger to start with. And then there are the salary increases.

http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics.../76037130/


How was the decision made. I agree that the council voted 7-1 to sever the ties with Detroit, but this article points the blame on appointee Kurtz who decided to take the water from the Flint river. After reading the above link its CYA time. The D mayor is talking the Kurtz guy is clamming up and won't comment. You're still wrong I'm afraid Blunder but I will temper my snarkiness. It's starts with Snyder. You have the council getting greased but Kurtz decided on the Flint river interm according to the above link.

Mayor Walling was quoted in March 2013 saying Flint would continue to get its water from the DWSD until the $272-million KWA pipeline system to Flint was completed. On Friday, he repeated his assertion that the plan was to stick with Detroit as an interim source, and said he was not aware of any pressure from Dillon or other state officials to instead use the Flint River as an interim source because it would be cheaper.

That decision came later, for reasons that are not entirely clear. Flint and Detroit, under the control of state-appointed emergency managers since late 2011 and March 2013, respectively, could not agree on a rate structure for the DWSD to continue serving Flint until the KWA pipeline was completed.

The failure to reach a pricing agreement on an interim water supply for Flint is puzzling considering Dillon's Treasury Department had commissioned an engineering study, which in February 2013 said it would be less costly for Flint to stay with the DWSD than to switch to the KWA. Also, state officials were consumed at the time with trying to keep Detroit out of bankruptcy, and for Flint to split with the DWSD could only make Detroit's financial situation that much more perilous.

Dillon said in an e-mail to the Free Press on Friday that although Detroit may have been under the state's control, the DWSD was not.

"After we signed off on Flint joining the KWA, Flint was to negotiate with the DWSD regarding using their water during the construction of the KWA," Dillon said.

"DWSD at the time was overseen by a board appointed by (U.S. District) Judge (Sean) Cox as the system was under federal oversight," Dillon said. "If Flint was unable to negotiate a fair deal, I recall their backup plan was to use the Flint River. I don't recall Treasury being involved in the negotiations with DWSD or, after negotiations broke down, in Flint's decision to switch to the Flint River."

March 2013 was one month after Dillon received a report he commissioned from the Detroit engineering firm Tucker, Young, Jackson Tull Inc., intended to "provide an analysis of the water supply options to assist the treasurer in determining any potential risk and the best course going forward for supplying potable water to the City of Flint."

The study found it would be less costly for Flint to stay with the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department than to cover its 30% share of the new KWA pipeline from Lake Huron.

"Treasury held two and possibly three lengthy meetings to go over the Tucker Young report with the Flint leaders, KWA consultants and DEQ representatives," Dillon said. "During these meetings, we learned several assumptions made by TY were incorrect and undermined the conclusions reached in their report."

"I never received any pressure from the governor's office to decide one way or the other on approving the KWA," the former treasurer said. "We ... made a decision based upon what we thought was in the best interests of Flint. The decision to support KWA was influenced by our conclusion that there was no financial risk to Flint for the project, and the DEQ's conclusion that it was more beneficial and economical for Flint to join KWA (again a separate and distinct decision from using the Flint River)." Also, "this is the outcome the local officials wanted," he said.

Walling said the decision to use the Flint River as an interim source was ultimately made by then-Flint emergency manager Edward Kurtz in about June 2013 when he expanded an existing engineering contract for the Flint Water Treatment Plant to cover needed upgrades.

I'm still waiting for someone from the EPA to b arrested for the Colorado river pollution fiasco.

That sure went quite.

(01-06-2016 09:19 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So the City of Flint chose to make the switch.


No..... Governor Snyder's appointee's for the City of Flint decided to make the switch.

Should executives always be helped 100% accountable for their appointees decisions?

Seriously ? if You turned on the Faucet and That murky mess came out, would anyone be stupid enough to actually drink it ? Only Idiots would even attempt to drink it. If GM put contaminates into the system, They are responsible. The pipes to the houses and city are the same as from the other Lake water source so the lead and rust issues had to always have been there all along.

I suppose that when your unfunded public sector obligations exceed $33 billion, you might figure that something has to give.

I've posted numerous times before that the public sector pensions were going to be the ruin of state and local governments and this is just a sample of what's to come. Services will be affected. Soon we'll be hearing how municipalities are cutting police and fire. It's going to happen.

(01-07-2016 09:23 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I suppose that when your unfunded public sector obligations exceed $33 billion, you might figure that something has to give.

I've posted numerous times before that the public sector pensions were going to be the ruin of state and local governments and this is just a sample of what's to come. Services will be affected. Soon we'll be hearing how municipalities are cutting police and fire. It's going to happen.

Remember Clinton's 100,000 new Cop scam ? Much abused program that was a Government waste of taxpayer dollars and time.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p..._cops.html