Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Wow. Not sure how that benefitted any of the parties involved.

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Lopez of course is a diehard Aggie with no love lost for UH or Rice; he has been condescending us ever since he hit town.

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

sounds like he is more worried about protecting his cronies in the press than the actual fact that he was talking w the QB

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

Meh, I don't think he's a dick but rather refuses to back down and say "I'm going to agree to disagree with you" like what's expected now days. What Lopez did wasn't okay, and wasn't professional. He published a lie as a fact, and then doubled down on that lie. Kyle allen never was in Houston, there was no meeting with herman and an assistant coach.


Herman was taking it from both nick and Lopez for 20 minutes, so I think he handled himself better than most 1st year coaches would have, and showed he is willing to fight for his relationships in the Houston community.

He's still the best coach to come through town in quite awhile.

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

Absolutely.

(01-06-2016 07:15 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

Meh, I don't think he's a dick but rather refuses to back down and say "I'm going to agree to disagree with you" like what's expected now days. What Lopez did wasn't okay, and wasn't professional. He published a lie as a fact, and then doubled down on that lie. Kyle allen never was in Houston, there was no meeting with herman and an assistant coach.


Herman was taking it from both nick and Lopez for 20 minutes, so I think he handled himself better than most 1st year coaches would have, and showed he is willing to fight for his relationships in the Houston community.

He's still the best coach to come through town in quite awhile.

Idk, Briles is a fantastic coach. You Coogs have had some good coaches come through recently.

I don't feel like listening to the audio. To anyone who did... what exactly is Herman claiming? For Lopez to publish this in December, and then the transfer to happen in January, strongly suggests that some sort of discussion between UH and Allen was happening, even if Lopez didn't have the details exactly right back in December.

So was it a phone call instead of an in-person meeting, or what? What's Herman saying?

I did not read Lopez's column, but it sounded like the column said there was a meeting in Houston, while Herman was saying there was a phone call. The column also said something about a booster and assistant coach attending the meeting. Herman said this would have been an NCAA violation and that it was inaccurate. He had also told another QB recruit that they were talking to Kyle Allen, but had not had a meeting with him. The other recruit read the report of a meeting and was questioning Herman's honesty. Herman was also annoyed that they did not ask him to comment before running the story to fact-check.

Well, it ain't coachspeak, for sure.

Thanks mrbig.

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

He comes off as unwilling to accept bull**** and will fight against it.

Heck, I wish we had more of that.

http://houston.cbslocal.com/2015/12/13/f...om-herman/

(01-07-2016 02:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

He comes off as unwilling to accept bull**** and will fight against it.

Heck, I wish we had more of that.

I know, right? I wish just one of our coaches would engage, or be perceived to engage, in some activity that would be a recruiting violation so they could go into a talk show and get grilled. That way they could stand up to the host and show them they've got some cajones!

(01-07-2016 08:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:22 PM)ricex Wrote:  Say what you will about Bailiff's on field abilities, I don't think you'd hear him doing this.

Herman and Lopez Dispute

Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

He comes off as unwilling to accept bull**** and will fight against it.

Heck, I wish we had more of that.

I know, right? I wish just one of our coaches would engage, or be perceived to engage, in some activity that would be a recruiting violation so they could go into a talk show and get grilled. That way they could stand up to the host and show them they've got some cajones!

I wish we could get one of our coaches on a talk show where someone gives two ***** about Rice to even bother investigating whether there was a perceived recruiting violation.

And we know that Rice hasn't done the same thing how? Lots of things can be "perceived recruiting violations" while being completely above board. We just don't have anyone that cares to look.

(01-07-2016 09:07 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 08:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

He comes off as unwilling to accept bull**** and will fight against it.

Heck, I wish we had more of that.

I know, right? I wish just one of our coaches would engage, or be perceived to engage, in some activity that would be a recruiting violation so they could go into a talk show and get grilled. That way they could stand up to the host and show them they've got some cajones!

I wish we could get one of our coaches on a talk show where someone gives two ***** about Rice to even bother investigating whether there was a perceived recruiting violation.

And we know that Rice hasn't done the same thing how? Lots of things can be "perceived recruiting violations" while being completely above board. We just don't have anyone that cares to look.

I agree that I wish we could get a coach on talk radio, but that has nothing to do with your original comment or mine. Heck, the OG has done more than enough to deserve some radio time, so we do have a coach or two on staff who has done enough to deserve air time (and The OG does regularly get interviewed by the college baseball talking heads).

My comment was about your desire for our coaches to not "accept bull****," which is just a euphemism for acting like an ***hat in public in this instance. There is nothing our current coaches do that says they "accept bull****" in contrast to Herman, and it seems silly to suggest that they do. It's even sillier to suggest that given your most recent comment, because they just really don't have the opportunity to get grilled over anything. The best example I can think of, of a coach at Rice "accepting bull****" was Braun accepting the crap Marcos was doing.

(01-07-2016 09:07 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 08:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 04:47 PM)vcoog Wrote:  Was a no win for tom.. but considering he's not a talking head and Nick was baiting him the whole time he did okay - the story is everywhere today so at least there's that.

Lopez was right that tom and Kyle were talking but had every detail wrong which was damaging to the program and recruiting.

Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

He comes off as unwilling to accept bull**** and will fight against it.

Heck, I wish we had more of that.

I know, right? I wish just one of our coaches would engage, or be perceived to engage, in some activity that would be a recruiting violation so they could go into a talk show and get grilled. That way they could stand up to the host and show them they've got some cajones!

I wish we could get one of our coaches on a talk show where someone gives two ***** about Rice to even bother investigating whether there was a perceived recruiting violation.

And we know that Rice hasn't done the same thing how? Lots of things can be "perceived recruiting violations" while being completely above board. We just don't have anyone that cares to look.

I guess if nobody cares to look, we have a lot of leeway to cheat, and Bailiff stupidly is not taking advantage of it. Graham did, but nooooo, not bailiff.

Just another strike against bailiff. I hope our next coach uses the loopholes given him to win some games. Of course, winning will mean increased scrutiny. We all know how the NCAA loves to punish the top programs.

Of all the complaints against Bailiff, not being perceived as a cheater is the oddest.

(01-07-2016 09:25 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 09:07 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 08:09 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  

(01-07-2016 02:51 AM)Antarius Wrote:  

(01-06-2016 05:20 PM)tramile12 Wrote:  Herman comes off sounding like a dick. And I've heard he is.

He comes off as unwilling to accept bull**** and will fight against it.

Heck, I wish we had more of that.

I know, right? I wish just one of our coaches would engage, or be perceived to engage, in some activity that would be a recruiting violation so they could go into a talk show and get grilled. That way they could stand up to the host and show them they've got some cajones!

I wish we could get one of our coaches on a talk show where someone gives two ***** about Rice to even bother investigating whether there was a perceived recruiting violation.

And we know that Rice hasn't done the same thing how? Lots of things can be "perceived recruiting violations" while being completely above board. We just don't have anyone that cares to look.

I guess if nobody cares to look, we have a lot of leeway to cheat, and Bailiff stupidly is not taking advantage of it. Graham did, but nooooo, not bailiff.

Just another strike against bailiff. I hope our next coach uses the loopholes given him to win some games. Of course, winning will mean increased scrutiny. We all know how the NCAA loves to punish the top programs.

Of all the complaints against Bailiff, not being perceived as a cheater is the oddest.

Dafuq... no one said anything about cheating.

Just that once you become somewhat relevant, the media makes mountains out of molehills. We aren't relevant so no one cares what we do.