http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../77801598/


Anybody from FCS who have both Stillman and Concordia will have to find replacements for those two schools this fall.

Who? (What? When? Where? How?)

Concordia, Alabama from the USCAA is another HBCU college. That is 2 of them that dropped sports.

Yes, I can do a Google search. That said, that's probably a good thing. Discounting UAB, a victim of politics, it's good some schools won't just shell out ungodly dollars just to play sports and will cash out when it becomes overbearing.

Concordia shouldn't have had football in the first place. The school only has about 600 students, football players were encouraged to purchase their own gear because the school couldn't afford it, and the roster got all the way down to about 45 total players this year. Concordia also didn't have any facilities and were using the facilities at near by Selma High school.

Concordia is a member of the USCAA, I wasn't even aware that the National Small College Association had changed its name and that was nearly 15 years ago.

Stillman is transitioning out of the SIAAC and Division II into the NAIA. The league they are joining doesn't offer football so the Stillman announcement really shouldn't be a surprise.

so what?

(01-05-2016 08:49 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  so what?

It reduces the number of David's potential FBS members by two.

too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

(01-05-2016 10:48 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

Most of the kids who play high school football have no future in the game. Let's drop high school football.

(01-05-2016 11:09 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:48 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

Most of the kids who play high school football have no future in the game. Let's drop high school football.

I get your point but it's apples and oranges. Lots more money goes into college sports with the facilities and coaching salaries what they are. At my old HS the coaches were a teachers / AD / volunteer HC. Facilities and equipment were used year after year.

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Never heard of the school. Football can be a money maker for Division 3 school's if the students are actually paying tuition.

(01-05-2016 11:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:09 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:48 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

Most of the kids who play high school football have no future in the game. Let's drop high school football.

I get your point but it's apples and oranges. Lots more money goes into college sports with the facilities and coaching salaries what they are. At my old HS the coaches were a teachers / AD / volunteer HC. Facilities and equipment were used year after year.

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You might want to check out what high schools are doing these days, facilities arms races, ditching the school bus for charters, inter-state games, some flying charter, sponsorship deals, near year round competition with 7 on 7.

We have two newly added non-scholie programs in Arkansas colleges both did it for student recruitment and to offset how skewed they were getting in female enrollment.

No one forces a school to spend multi-millions. Division III football is probably as healthy as it has ever been. Division II has some pockets where it isn't as viable because of travel.

Biggest problem Division II faced was the Division I gold rush from the NCAA Tournament. Schools figured out that they could bump their spending just a little, go Division I and get enough turnback from the NCAA to cover much of the cost and if they happened to win a conference tournament and get a spot in the Dance, they had happy supporters.

The Division I Gold Rush is why you won't see CFP administered by the NCAA, lesson has been learned.

That said, I still suspect in the coming years that schools pulling three quarters or so of their budget from athletic fees and university budget transfers are in danger of not being able to hang on.

(01-05-2016 11:27 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Never heard of the school. Football can be a money maker for Division 3 school's if the students are actually paying tuition.

Which the ones not getting need-based aid are. And some of those private D3s are pretty pricy. Birmingham-Southern added football when it dropped from D1 to D3 because it went from being a potential money drain to a source of revenue for kids willing to pay to continue their football-playing fantasies.

(01-05-2016 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:09 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:48 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

Most of the kids who play high school football have no future in the game. Let's drop high school football.

I get your point but it's apples and oranges. Lots more money goes into college sports with the facilities and coaching salaries what they are. At my old HS the coaches were a teachers / AD / volunteer HC. Facilities and equipment were used year after year.

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You might want to check out what high schools are doing these days, facilities arms races, ditching the school bus for charters, inter-state games, some flying charter, sponsorship deals, near year round competition with 7 on 7.

Yep, and it's all an idiotic waste of money at that level. I'd much rather see that money put towards academic needs. Many of those kids are misled into thinking sports are the "way out".

(01-05-2016 09:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 08:49 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  so what?

It reduces the number of David's potential FBS members by two.

...and FJ's SBC members by at least one

(01-05-2016 10:48 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

Wisconsin is not the South

(01-05-2016 11:27 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Never heard of the school. Football can be a money maker for Division 3 school's if the students are actually paying tuition.

I had, but only because they are a rarity.....they are a Lutheran HBCU.

(01-05-2016 02:10 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:56 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:12 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 11:09 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2016 10:48 AM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  too many colleges and universities offer football just to offer it. Heck, here in the state of Wisconsin you have tiny schools that play football that have no business trying to finance it.

Outside of D1, the rest (D2 and below) is just people playing the sport for the heck of it with no future in the game besides going into coaching. I don't even pay attention to college football outside of FBS.

Most of the kids who play high school football have no future in the game. Let's drop high school football.

I get your point but it's apples and oranges. Lots more money goes into college sports with the facilities and coaching salaries what they are. At my old HS the coaches were a teachers / AD / volunteer HC. Facilities and equipment were used year after year.

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You might want to check out what high schools are doing these days, facilities arms races, ditching the school bus for charters, inter-state games, some flying charter, sponsorship deals, near year round competition with 7 on 7.

Yep, and it's all an idiotic waste of money at that level. I'd much rather see that money put towards academic needs. Many of those kids are misled into thinking sports are the "way out".

It depends. Many students who are good that could not get into D1 schools because they need extra classes to improve their education. They tend to go to JC, NAIA, D3 or D2 for remedial courses, and then transfer to the big boys. There have been some lower level students that do wind up playing for the Pros.

As someone pointed about D2 schools that wants to go D1? It is not just for the Athletics, but to attract more students to the schools. Some of these D2 schools are more successful in sports than some that are already in D1.

I do think that some of the D3 Public Wisconsin schools should upgrade to be D1. They are located in large cities that have nothing to do on Friday and Saturday nights. Wisconsin-La Crosse and Wisconsin Whitewater are two that have been successful at D3 levels. Places like these could be the next North Dakota State with big fan support.

Yeah, the UW's have a formidable soccer presence in D3. You can do so much there and the variance in program strength is as wide as it gets. You can specialize in select sports, like Mount Union seems to do with football and Messiah has with soccer (men's and women's, apparently), and Messiah doesn't offer football. Go over into NJ, and check out TCNJ's facilities...unreal that they are D3. Some play with next to nothing, like PSU branch campuses, while others clearly look like they should be playing at a higher level.