(01-03-2016 06:46 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:39 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:36 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:22 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Right, it had nothing to do with the Semifinals being the day before and thus taking much of the allure away from regular exhibition games the next day.....

The playoff games should have been on the 2nd. This was never an issue in the BCS era. But old heads were too caught up in creating the NY6 'tradition' to heed wiser counsel.

They will fix it next time around.

You're more confident than I am. Based upon the length of the CFP contract, situations like this will occur several more times. But if the NY6 folks aren't willing to listen to ESPN, who is going to convince them otherwise? Ratings are immaterial since the contracts are guaranteed.

More Bowls can always be added to the rotation.

(01-03-2016 06:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think the ratings had more to do with the teams involved than anything else.

Neither school has a particularly large fanbase.

Of course you want to think that, despite the logically obvious truth that the Semifinal games have more meaning and came the day before thus taking away from the already eroding perception of other exhibitionary bowl games. People are only going to watch so much football. We had an all day event of football on Friday, people aren't going to do that two days in a row when many of them are also going to watch the NFL on the following Sunday.

Doesn't that contradict your preferred off games on option of playing the playoff games on Jan 2? Because your comment seems to indicate that if people watch football all day Friday, and plan to watch it Sunday, they wouldn;t want to also watch on Saturday the 2nd? Doesn't that logic make the case for playing the playoff games on 12/31, since the Rose and Sugar were unwilling to play on any day other than Jan 1? Or am I misunderstanding you?

(01-03-2016 06:52 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:43 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think the ratings had more to do with the teams involved than anything else.

Neither school has a particularly large fanbase.

Of course you want to think that, despite the logically obvious truth that the Semifinal games have more meaning and came the day before thus taking away from the already eroding perception of other exhibitionary bowl games. People are only going to watch so much football. We had an all day event of football on Friday, people aren't going to do that two days in a row when many of them are also going to watch the NFL on the following Sunday.

Doesn't that contradict your preferred off games on option of playing the playoff games on Jan 2? Because your comment seems to indicate that if people watch football all day Friday, and plan to watch it Sunday, they wouldn;t want to also watch on Saturday the 2nd? Doesn't that logic make the case for playing the playoff games on 12/31, since the Rose and Sugar were unwilling to play on any day other than Jan 1? Or am I misunderstanding you?

My position isn't that rigid. I don't necessarily think that all the same bowls have to be involved if they are unwilling to work with the situation at hand.

My position is that we move from 4 to 6. I am sure there are some Bowls that wouldn't mind being a week before the New Year's Day weekend Semifinal games. Rank 3 plays Rank 6 the week before and Rank 4 plays Rank 5 that same week. Then you have the two winners of those play the top two teams on New Years weekend. Then the Championship is held the next week, as it already is.

I don't see how my position contradicts anything. My point is that The Rose Bowl and other exhibitionary games could have still been on January 1st while the Semifinal Bowls would be held on January 2nd instead of December 31st.

The only logical explanation I can see right now for having those Semifinals on New Year's Eve is over politics. They tried to force the Rose Bowl off of it's contracted date. The Rose Bowl denied so other parties tried to harm The Rose Bowl by scheduling the Semifinals the day before instead of the day after. They succeeded in harming the Rose Bowl to a small degree but they harmed themselves even worse because other entities depend upon TV ratings more than The Rose Bowl does.

(01-03-2016 06:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:52 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People are only going to watch so much football. We had an all day event of football on Friday, people aren't going to do that two days in a row when many of them are also going to watch the NFL on the following Sunday.

Doesn't that contradict your preferred off games on option of playing the playoff games on Jan 2?

I don't see how my position contradicts anything. My point is that The Rose Bowl and other exhibitionary games could have still been on January 1st while the Semifinal Bowls would be held on January 2nd instead of December 31st.

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Here is the contradiction (highlighted above). you stated a valid reason why games on Jan 2 are a bad idea, because as you said "people aren't going to do that two days in a row when many of them are also going to watch the NFL on the following Sunday." Your suggestion puts the playoff in the position of being the day people don't want to watch, just as you complained the Rose Bowl is in now. At least the current set up eliminates two days in a row followed by a third day of NFL.

As for expansion, I think the reason you won't see that, is the semi-final spots will worry that peop0el won't travel to their game, after having done so a week or two before, and possibly having to again for the championship game. I am almost positive that is why there is such resistance to further expansion. Then from a revenue standpoint, it becomes only a TV and gate product, and the two extra games probably generate less money than the bowls they replace, much less grow revenue. But that is just how I see it.

(01-03-2016 07:09 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:59 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:52 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  People are only going to watch so much football. We had an all day event of football on Friday, people aren't going to do that two days in a row when many of them are also going to watch the NFL on the following Sunday.

Doesn't that contradict your preferred off games on option of playing the playoff games on Jan 2?

I don't see how my position contradicts anything. My point is that The Rose Bowl and other exhibitionary games could have still been on January 1st while the Semifinal Bowls would be held on January 2nd instead of December 31st.

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Here is the contradiction (highlighted above). you stated a valid reason why games on Jan 2 are a bad idea, because as you said "people aren't going to do that two days in a row when many of them are also going to watch the NFL on the following Sunday." Your suggestion puts the playoff in the position of being the day people don't want to watch, just as you complained the Rose Bowl is in now. At least the current set up eliminates two days in a row followed by a third day of NFL.

As for expansion, I think the reason you won't see that, is the semi-final spots will worry that peop0el won't travel to their game, after having done so a week or two before, and possibly having to again for the championship game. I am almost positive that is why there is such resistance to further expansion. Then from a revenue standpoint, it becomes only a TV and gate product, and the two extra games probably generate less money than the bowls they replace, much less grow revenue. But that is just how I see it.

I get your point about putting the Semifinals in the same spot as the Rose and Sugar were in this year but I do think there is some semblance of a difference.

The difference is that putting Semifinal games that actually matter before exhibitionary games that don't truly matter, definitely does not bode well for the exhibition games.

The opposite may hold some semblance of truth to it but I don't believe it does to the same degree. Do you wish to argue that people watching January 1st Bowl games are not going to watch Semifinal games on January 2nd? I would disagree, I think you would actually see better results for those January 2nd Semifinal games than what they achieved on Friday the 31st. It is a win/win.

People are going to watch the games that matter more if they come after the games that don't matter as much. They may grumble about it but they will watch. They certainly did not watch the Semifinal games on the 31st to the degree that the Networks were probably hoping they would. Their attempt to leverage the Bowls failed. They would be better off going the day after because the Semifinal games matter for the Championship. People will watch them.


Just so I am clear, your point is absolutely logical but we aren't necessarily speaking about a clearly logical happening. We are talking about viewership and it is my position that Semifinal games that matter are more capable of negatively affecting exhibitionary bowls that come right after them more so than exhibition Bowl games are capable of harming the Semifinal games that might come the day after. They aren't equal in value.

The four bowls not in the Playoff need to come first. The Playoffs should always be January 1! The Rose Bowl can move to December 31 or play at 9 AM Pacific on New Years if it's so important to them.

(01-03-2016 04:54 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  Stewart MandelVerified account
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As I suspected, the Rose Bowl's 7.9 TV rating is its lowest on record (back to 1983).

The previous was 9.4 in 2013.

Need the bluebloods dominating college football to get those TV ratings up.

30 point blowout...

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  The four bowls not in the Playoff need to come first. The Playoffs should always be January 1! The Rose Bowl can move to December 31 or play at 9 AM Pacific on New Years if it's so important to them.

Yeah, the Network tried to pressure them with putting the Semifinal games ahead of them. That bluff was called, ESPN followed through with it. They shouldn't have. Your idea has already been tried and failed. You need to understand that the two bowls in question have long term contracts. They aren't moving.

The Semifinals will have to be the day after.

Next year should be interesting though. January 1st lands on a Sunday.

Next year's situation is an entirely different situation and our debate really has very little in common with what the situation will be next year.

Bowls are going to be much more willing to move their date rather than go up against the final week of the NFL season.

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  The four bowls not in the Playoff need to come first. The Playoffs should always be January 1! The Rose Bowl can move to December 31 or play at 9 AM Pacific on New Years if it's so important to them.

^^^^^THIS^^^^

The Rose isn't the finale anymore---the playoff is. You dont play the headliner before the opening act and expect the entire audience to stay around for the opening act.

(01-03-2016 07:32 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  The four bowls not in the Playoff need to come first. The Playoffs should always be January 1! The Rose Bowl can move to December 31 or play at 9 AM Pacific on New Years if it's so important to them.

^^^^^THIS^^^^

The Rose isn't the finale anymore---the playoff is. You dont play the headliner before the opening act and expect the entire audience to stay around for the opening act.

The headliner could have easily been placed on the 2nd. Placing the headliner on the 31st was a failure as per the ratings.

I get why folks think the Rose should move but contractually they don't have to. I guess people are incapable of understanding that.

(01-03-2016 07:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The headliner could have easily been placed on the 2nd. Placing the headliner on the 31st was a failure as per the ratings.

This is an important point in this ... putting the SF on NYE was also a ratings mistake.

So for a billion years people wake up on their off day which is the 1st, watch the Rose Parade followed by the Rose Bowl and we should change that to the 31st when people are at work because...Aliens? money? ESPN?

And yet the Taxslayer Bowl was on Jan 2nd.

Something ain't right here.

(01-03-2016 07:36 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:33 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The headliner could have easily been placed on the 2nd. Placing the headliner on the 31st was a failure as per the ratings.

This is an important point in this ... putting the SF on NYE was also a ratings mistake.

People may have to use a calendar and actually schedule but THiS YEAR the semifinals should have been on Saturday Jan 2. The bowls that played yesterday Saturday Jan. 2nd should have been on Dec 31st.

(01-03-2016 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just so I am clear, your point is absolutely logical but we aren't necessarily speaking about a clearly logical happening. We are talking about viewership and it is my position that Semifinal games that matter are more capable of negatively affecting exhibitionary bowls that come right after them more so than exhibition Bowl games are capable of harming the Semifinal games that might come the day after. They aren't equal in value.

Fair enough.

I am not comfortable with this suddenly agreeable, understanding others' POV's H1...

(01-03-2016 07:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  The four bowls not in the Playoff need to come first. The Playoffs should always be January 1! The Rose Bowl can move to December 31 or play at 9 AM Pacific on New Years if it's so important to them.

Yeah, the Network tried to pressure them with putting the Semifinal games ahead of them. That bluff was called, ESPN followed through with it. They shouldn't have. Your idea has already been tried and failed. You need to understand that the two bowls in question have long term contracts. They aren't moving.

I am almost positive ESPN wanted the games on Jan 2. They did not try to pressure the Rose. It was the playoff committee who demanded the games be on NYE, specifically against the wishes of ESPN.

(01-03-2016 07:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:29 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  The four bowls not in the Playoff need to come first. The Playoffs should always be January 1! The Rose Bowl can move to December 31 or play at 9 AM Pacific on New Years if it's so important to them.

Yeah, the Network tried to pressure them with putting the Semifinal games ahead of them. That bluff was called, ESPN followed through with it. They shouldn't have. Your idea has already been tried and failed. You need to understand that the two bowls in question have long term contracts. They aren't moving.

I am almost positive ESPN wanted the games on Jan 2. They did not try to pressure the Rose. It was the playoff committee who demanded the games be on NYE, specifically against the wishes of ESPN.

I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just the first I have read of this idea. What led you to believe this? It actually makes sense to me in regards to the desires of ESPN but if it was truly the Committee that pushed for this against the advisement of ESPN then that would actually have me leaning a little towards the "I hate the committee" crowd.

That doesn't put me in that crowd, just part of the staff that lets the "I hate the committee" crowd through the door so that they can chase around the committee for awhile so that they don't make the same boneheaded mistake again.

(01-03-2016 07:42 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:21 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Just so I am clear, your point is absolutely logical but we aren't necessarily speaking about a clearly logical happening. We are talking about viewership and it is my position that Semifinal games that matter are more capable of negatively affecting exhibitionary bowls that come right after them more so than exhibition Bowl games are capable of harming the Semifinal games that might come the day after. They aren't equal in value.

Fair enough.

I am not comfortable with this suddenly agreeable, understanding others' POV's H1...

No worries, I am sure I will give you plenty of opportunity this year to continue being "comfortable" with me.

(01-03-2016 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I am almost positive ESPN wanted the games on Jan 2. They did not try to pressure the Rose. It was the playoff committee who demanded the games be on NYE, specifically against the wishes of ESPN.

I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just the first I have read of this idea. What led you to believe this? It actually makes sense to me in regards to the desires of ESPN but if it was truly the Committee that pushed for this against the advisement of ESPN then that would actually have me leaning a little towards the "I hate the committee" crowd.

I have seen it everywhere It has been talked about quite a bit all year long.

But here is from USA Today's site from yesterday

USA Today Wrote:The CFP’s management committee, made up of the commissioners of the 10 FBS conferences, determined the schedule for the life of the $7.3 billion, 12-year contract with ESPN. In seven of the next 10 years, the Playoff semifinals will be played on New Year’s Eve because the Rose and Sugar bowl time slots (afternoon and evening, respectively) on New Year’s Day are locked in by separate deals. The semifinals will be played on New Year’s Day only when the Rose and Sugar are hosting them.

Last winter, ESPN officials asked the CFP to consider moving this season’s semifinals to Jan. 2, taking advantage of the fact Jan. 2 fell on a Saturday. When CFP officials declined to do so, ESPN mounted a promotional campaign trying to entice viewers to watch on New Year’s Eve. Though ratings were down, the network touted dramatic increases in digital engagement on its WatchESPN platform, including a 54% increase in “unique viewers.”

I don't think a 1 year dip in TV ratings for the CFP is too much of a concern.

Its only year 2 of the 12 year CFP contract. If a protracted TV rating dip happens then I would become more concerned about it.

Lower ratings may reduce the hunger for expanding the playoff to 8 teams by TV executives. Again I think the +1 after the bowls retains the most drama for fans.

(01-03-2016 08:01 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  I am almost positive ESPN wanted the games on Jan 2. They did not try to pressure the Rose. It was the playoff committee who demanded the games be on NYE, specifically against the wishes of ESPN.

I'm not saying you are wrong, it's just the first I have read of this idea. What led you to believe this? It actually makes sense to me in regards to the desires of ESPN but if it was truly the Committee that pushed for this against the advisement of ESPN then that would actually have me leaning a little towards the "I hate the committee" crowd.

I have seen it everywhere It has been talked about quite a bit all year long.

But here is from USA Today's site from yesterday

USA Today Wrote:The CFP’s management committee, made up of the commissioners of the 10 FBS conferences, determined the schedule for the life of the $7.3 billion, 12-year contract with ESPN. In seven of the next 10 years, the Playoff semifinals will be played on New Year’s Eve because the Rose and Sugar bowl time slots (afternoon and evening, respectively) on New Year’s Day are locked in by separate deals. The semifinals will be played on New Year’s Day only when the Rose and Sugar are hosting them.

Last winter, ESPN officials asked the CFP to consider moving this season’s semifinals to Jan. 2, taking advantage of the fact Jan. 2 fell on a Saturday. When CFP officials declined to do so, ESPN mounted a promotional campaign trying to entice viewers to watch on New Year’s Eve. Though ratings were down, the network touted dramatic increases in digital engagement on its WatchESPN platform, including a 54% increase in “unique viewers.”

Well, that is about as clear cut of an answer as I could have hoped for. Thank you.