(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

like most uc fans, I would prefer to be in the ACC. But, beggars cant be choosers, and right now, we'll take any life line out there. if uc does go to the B12, it will be interesting if any of the league people (bobby bag, etc) have anything "nice" to say about the new schools, or if they still give off that pissed off attitude about all of it.

Bevo wants exposure in NYC for its ego. For that reason alone, UCONN will have its vote.

This feels like it's been going on forever. I tend to think it will be Houston and Cincy going to the Big 12 once the title-game stuff is settled against them.

I can't see them taking another unless they can do something strange like BYU for football only but that's not happening. Obviously UConn brings a lot to the table but not football power while Houston bring the football and far less travel. I have no doubt that UConn would be a middle-of-the-pack Big12 team within a couple years in the league, but Houston is already there (if not better) and the travel would be so much less. What's the incentive to keep WV happy, anyway? Where are they going to go if they are upset? SEC and Big 10 aren't going to take them and I can't see the ACC expanding unless they can get Notre Dame for football.

If they took UConn, I've said it a million times on here that no one will care about if college football-wise in NYC as no one cares about non-alma mater/ND football in NYC. Basketball-wise, Big 12 would be smart to force UConn to play at least 2 high-profile league games at MSG (UConn would agree to this I'm certain) have either Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas or Iowa State play UConn's "home game" at MSG. Unfortunately for Big 12, since the Giants/Jets stadium is in NJ, not a huge UConn draw over there and NYC/Westchester itself doesn't have a suitable stadium for college football, else UConn football could play a game there.

(01-04-2016 12:19 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:55 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.

The only sport I see as an issue is baseball. UConn plays pretty good baseball so it would fit right in, but teams might not like the travel.

I don't see why men's and women's basketball wouldn't want to travel to UConn. Those will all be marquee TV games with a lot of eyeballs. Right now UConn plays on ESPN and ESPN2 and CBS as much as only 5 teams nationally.

UConn doesn't compete in volleyball and wrestling.

It does have men's soccer and ice hockey however. Also field hockey.

It would be the Big 12's best move to add 4 leaving on the PAC 12 with less than 14 members among the P5. UConn and Cincinnati would definitely help West Virginia with closer rivals. Memphis and Houston to finish out the conference's additions.

East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, West Virginia, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

West: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and Houston.

The AAC would take a huge hit. Replacements could be Massachusetts, Marshall, Western Kentucky and Army.

CUSA losing Marshall and Western Kentucky could take James Madison and wait for UAB to complete their football program restoration.

If CUSA lost programs, it would be between Marshall, UTEP, WKU, and ODU. If they lose any of those programs, I don't think you would see them pick up anymore FCS teams. Rather, they'd look at GS, GSU, App State, and USA. Coastal Carolina may even be thrown in there, due to their market, location, and money.

(01-03-2016 10:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 09:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:30 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 05:41 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  You people really need to go and read up on how money is collected for new age conference networks like the SEC and BIG have (and likely the other 3 soon enough). 0-12 UCF stands a way better shot at the Big12 than Houston and it obviously isn't because of their football team. Houston is cursed by being in Texas for Big12 realignment. UConn also stands no chance just because that would be stupid for both parties involved on top of a small state pop.

The rumor is that it's down to Cincy, UConn and Houston, so that doesn't seem to be true.

The Big 12 seemingly "owned" the Dallas market with UT, OU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, and it didn't stop them from adding TCU. They very much less "own" Houston (as seen by their dwindling TV ratings this year), with only UT having a significant presence here.

I live in Houston...I don't feel a Big XII vibe at all here....zero, nada

Houston is primarily a pro sports town...then down the ladder you have Houston and Rice. You have A&M alums and LSU alums, but you really don't have an SEC feel here...

IDK how long you lived in Houston but UH defines this city far much more than you think.

You don't think that is a touch of an overstatement?

Having been in Houston more than 50 years, I think I can safely say it goes like this:

Texans
Cowboys


Rockets

Astros







Longhorns
aTm





Cougars
LSU



Rice

(01-04-2016 10:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 09:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:30 PM)Kronke Wrote:  The rumor is that it's down to Cincy, UConn and Houston, so that doesn't seem to be true.

The Big 12 seemingly "owned" the Dallas market with UT, OU, Baylor, and Texas Tech, and it didn't stop them from adding TCU. They very much less "own" Houston (as seen by their dwindling TV ratings this year), with only UT having a significant presence here.

I live in Houston...I don't feel a Big XII vibe at all here....zero, nada

Houston is primarily a pro sports town...then down the ladder you have Houston and Rice. You have A&M alums and LSU alums, but you really don't have an SEC feel here...

IDK how long you lived in Houston but UH defines this city far much more than you think.

You don't think that is a touch of an overstatement?

Having been in Houston more than 50 years, I think I can safely say it goes like this:

Texans
Cowboys


Rockets

Astros







Longhorns
aTm





Cougars
LSU



Rice

That's pretty fair, but there are quite a few Baylor grads as well. Its definitely a pro sports town.

One of the arguments for U of H would be if it could make it a little more like Dallas where the colleges get more attention. In other words, not a battle with the SEC in a zero sum game, but increasing the pie for everyone.

(01-04-2016 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 10:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 09:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 07:25 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I live in Houston...I don't feel a Big XII vibe at all here....zero, nada

Houston is primarily a pro sports town...then down the ladder you have Houston and Rice. You have A&M alums and LSU alums, but you really don't have an SEC feel here...

IDK how long you lived in Houston but UH defines this city far much more than you think.

You don't think that is a touch of an overstatement?

Having been in Houston more than 50 years, I think I can safely say it goes like this:

Texans
Cowboys


Rockets

Astros







Longhorns
aTm





Cougars
LSU



Rice

That's pretty fair, but there are quite a few Baylor grads as well. Its definitely a pro sports town.

One of the arguments for U of H would be if it could make it a little more like Dallas where the colleges get more attention. In other words, not a battle with the SEC in a zero sum game, but increasing the pie for everyone.

You're right. Baylor and Tech would slot in there above Rice and below LSU, so would Oklahoma. But at that point it really doesn't matter.

(01-04-2016 10:31 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 10:27 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 10:19 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:20 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 09:45 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  IDK how long you lived in Houston but UH defines this city far much more than you think.

You don't think that is a touch of an overstatement?

Having been in Houston more than 50 years, I think I can safely say it goes like this:

Texans
Cowboys


Rockets

Astros







Longhorns
aTm





Cougars
LSU



Rice

That's pretty fair, but there are quite a few Baylor grads as well. Its definitely a pro sports town.

One of the arguments for U of H would be if it could make it a little more like Dallas where the colleges get more attention. In other words, not a battle with the SEC in a zero sum game, but increasing the pie for everyone.

You're right. Baylor and Tech would slot in there above Rice and below LSU, so would Oklahoma. But at that point it really doesn't matter.

I can only think of one Tech grad I ever met in 30 years in Houston. They are pretty common in Dallas, but I just never saw them in Houston.

http://www.centralctcommunications.com/b...90bdc.html

This discusses the UConn talk. It all goes back to Pete Thamel's article and so now a lot of people are reaching for straws. KSU president talked to UConn president at their basketball game in November. That's about the extent of it. We don't know who Thamel talked to, but I really doubt it was anyone who knew what was going on any better than the local sportswriters.

Note that the expansion committee is Boren (OU), Gee (WVU) and Starr (Baylor). We know the UH president has met with Gee and Starr. In Starr's case, she has a selfie presenting him with a book on UofH. With Gee, it probably was an academic meeting, but he was on the Houston campus.

Its just hard to imagine they could consider an island like UConn but not consider the more obvious island in BYU. And we know from several accounts, including Brett McMurphy, that they are not considering BYU at this point in time.

(01-04-2016 12:19 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:55 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.

The only sport I see as an issue is baseball. UConn plays pretty good baseball so it would fit right in, but teams might not like the travel.

I don't see why men's and women's basketball wouldn't want to travel to UConn. Those will all be marquee TV games with a lot of eyeballs. Right now UConn plays on ESPN and ESPN2 and CBS as much as only 5 teams nationally.

UConn doesn't compete in volleyball and wrestling.

It does have men's soccer and ice hockey however. Also field hockey.

It would be the Big 12's best move to add 4 leaving on the PAC 12 with less than 14 members among the P5. UConn and Cincinnati would definitely help West Virginia with closer rivals. Memphis and Houston to finish out the conference's additions.

East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, West Virginia, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

West: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and Houston.

The AAC would take a huge hit. Replacements could be Massachusetts, Marshall, Western Kentucky and Army.

CUSA losing Marshall and Western Kentucky could take James Madison and wait for UAB to complete their football program restoration.

That has been my division proposal too. Creates division with strong rivalries and geographic proximity. Rebuilds the Houston market and gets the conference into Ohio, Tennessee, and New England. Basketball becomes a nationwide powerhouse along the lines of the ACC and Big Ten. Right now the Big XII has the teams but not the geographic reach.

The smoke is good. Do the B1G and ACC want another power conference in the Northeast?

(01-04-2016 10:56 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 12:19 AM)ARSTATEFAN1986 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:55 PM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:35 PM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:47 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Considering UCONN is in a conference with SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Tulane, USF and UCF travel to the big 12 is not an issue for them.

You are looking at things from the UConn perspective rather than the perspective of the members of the conference. They are simply unlikely to want to travel to Connecticut to play conference games in other sports besides football and football only membership isn't going to be on the table.

The only sport I see as an issue is baseball. UConn plays pretty good baseball so it would fit right in, but teams might not like the travel.

I don't see why men's and women's basketball wouldn't want to travel to UConn. Those will all be marquee TV games with a lot of eyeballs. Right now UConn plays on ESPN and ESPN2 and CBS as much as only 5 teams nationally.

UConn doesn't compete in volleyball and wrestling.

It does have men's soccer and ice hockey however. Also field hockey.

It would be the Big 12's best move to add 4 leaving on the PAC 12 with less than 14 members among the P5. UConn and Cincinnati would definitely help West Virginia with closer rivals. Memphis and Houston to finish out the conference's additions.

East: Cincinnati, Connecticut, West Virginia, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State

West: Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas Christian, Texas Tech and Houston.

The AAC would take a huge hit. Replacements could be Massachusetts, Marshall, Western Kentucky and Army.

CUSA losing Marshall and Western Kentucky could take James Madison and wait for UAB to complete their football program restoration.

That has been my division proposal too. Creates division with strong rivalries and geographic proximity. Rebuilds the Houston market and gets the conference into Ohio, Tennessee, and New England. Basketball becomes a nationwide powerhouse along the lines of the ACC and Big Ten. Right now the Big XII has the teams but not the geographic reach.

That West division is without a doubt the second best division in college football. "Texas, Tech, OU, OSU, TCU, Baylor, Houston"... Houston will for sure expand stadium to 60K within 5 years with that division.

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

(01-04-2016 11:43 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

Cincy is more like two hours from Louisville, depending on where you live and how fast you drive.

(01-04-2016 10:59 AM)HartfordHusky Wrote:  The smoke is good. Do the B1G and ACC want another power conference in the Northeast?

UConn must be the new BBQ hub because they've been smoking smoke for years

(01-04-2016 11:43 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

That is still "east" of the Big 12 and its footprint.

"East" is a relative term in this situation.

(01-04-2016 11:46 AM)JP Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 11:43 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

Cincy is more like two hours from Louisville, depending on where you live and how fast you drive.

In what world is Cincy 2 hours from Louisville? Maybe if you're driving from the furthest southwestern limits of louisville to the furthest northeastern limits of Cincy and got lost in Newport along the way.

(01-04-2016 12:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 11:43 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

That is still "east" of the Big 12 and its footprint.

"East" is a relative term in this situation.

You can define east however one likes, but the ACC adding those two teams does not block Big 12 eastern expansion as suggested.

(01-04-2016 12:31 PM)krux Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 11:46 AM)JP Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 11:43 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

Cincy is more like two hours from Louisville, depending on where you live and how fast you drive.

In what world is Cincy 2 hours from Louisville? Maybe if you're driving from the furthest southwestern limits of louisville to the furthest northeastern limits of Cincy and got lost in Newport along the way.

I live in a northern suburb of Cincinnati and my parents live in Fern Creek. Its' every bit of an hour and 45 minutes if you are driving 70mph. Even the slightest bit of traffic will push it to 2 hrs.

(01-04-2016 12:31 PM)krux Wrote:  In what world is Cincy 2 hours from Louisville? Maybe if you're driving from the furthest southwestern limits of louisville to the furthest northeastern limits of Cincy and got lost in Newport along the way.

Cincinnati is 100 miles away from Louisville. Unless you live in the NE suburbs of Louisville (like I do), or in the NKY portion of Louisville, from door to door it is probably two hours. However most people time from leaving the city limits to entering the city limits, pure highway miles, which is not really accurate.

(01-04-2016 12:34 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 12:25 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 11:43 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:37 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  The ACC could take Cincinnati and Houston. Giving it a presence in SEC, B1G and Big 12 country. Gaining Ohio and Texas viewership and blocking likely Big 12 eastern expansion at the same time. But I doubt that happens unless there is eminent movement by other conferences.

How does taking Cincy and Houston block eastern expansion? A B12 move into Cincy is a move into the midwest. Cincy is 1 hour from Louisville.

That is still "east" of the Big 12 and its footprint.

"East" is a relative term in this situation.

You can define east however one likes, but the ACC adding those two teams does not block Big 12 eastern expansion as suggested.

If that suggestion takes all of the potential eastern targets of the Big 12, I can't see how it does anything BUT block Big 12 expansion into the East.