(01-04-2016 04:01 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 03:17 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 02:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I would be surprised if an NFL team does not go after Hue Jackson.

Jackson will definitely get a look. As I QB specialist I think he would be an interesting pick for the Giants.

Giants OC Ben McAdoo has done a great job with Eli Manning. As a Giants fan if they don't hire McAdoo I want to see them bring in some one who will straighten out the defense. In reality, the Giants would have been a playoff team this year with better clock management, I don't think they need to reinvent the wheel.

Really? Manning has been almost as bad a turnover machine as Matt Ryan

(01-04-2016 01:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If true for Sumlin, that kind of desperation would make Cleveland a viable option.

It appears as though Johnny Manziel is out at Cleveland. Although I guess a new regime could change their mind

Manziel is OUT in Cleveland according to Peter King...dude basically went AWOL last week...supposed to have had a "Concussion"...night before the Sunday game spotted in Vegas and was supposed to report to the team facility Sunday Morning...didn't show and didn't answer his phone the entire Sunday when the team tried to reach him

(01-04-2016 06:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If true for Sumlin, that kind of desperation would make Cleveland a viable option.

It appears as though Johnny Manziel is out at Cleveland. Although I guess a new regime could change their mind

Manziel is OUT in Cleveland according to Peter King...dude basically went AWOL last week...supposed to have had a "Concussion"...night before the Sunday game spottedin Vegas and was supposed to report to the team facility Sunday Night...didn't show and didn't answer his phone the entire Sunday when the team tried to reach him

Bummer, if true. I hate to see someone with so much talent have it go to waste due to struggles with alcohol. I'm assuming it has something to do with that. He is probably one of the greatest college players I've ever seen. I hope he gets it together. Go Coogs!!!

(01-04-2016 07:29 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If true for Sumlin, that kind of desperation would make Cleveland a viable option.

It appears as though Johnny Manziel is out at Cleveland. Although I guess a new regime could change their mind

Manziel is OUT in Cleveland according to Peter King...dude basically went AWOL last week...supposed to have had a "Concussion"...night before the Sunday game spottedin Vegas and was supposed to report to the team facility Sunday Night...didn't show and didn't answer his phone the entire Sunday when the team tried to reach him

Bummer, if true. I hate to see someone with so much talent have it go to waste due to struggles with alcohol. I'm assuming it has something to do with that. He is probably one of the greatest college players I've ever seen. I hope he gets it together. Go Coogs!!!

More like affluenza. He comes from a wealthy family, and made millions on his own, so doesn't really care about putting in the work to become a good NFL QB.

(01-04-2016 08:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 07:29 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If true for Sumlin, that kind of desperation would make Cleveland a viable option.

It appears as though Johnny Manziel is out at Cleveland. Although I guess a new regime could change their mind

Manziel is OUT in Cleveland according to Peter King...dude basically went AWOL last week...supposed to have had a "Concussion"...night before the Sunday game spottedin Vegas and was supposed to report to the team facility Sunday Night...didn't show and didn't answer his phone the entire Sunday when the team tried to reach him

Bummer, if true. I hate to see someone with so much talent have it go to waste due to struggles with alcohol. I'm assuming it has something to do with that. He is probably one of the greatest college players I've ever seen. I hope he gets it together. Go Coogs!!!

More like affluenza. He comes from a wealthy family, and made millions on his own, so doesn't really care about putting in the work to become a good NFL QB.

Manziel has all the talent and potential in the world inside the mind of a teenager. The reasons for this have been discussed ad nauseam but his problem with alcohol and partying is well documented and is the main reason for his delayed development as a consistent, professional NFL QB IMO. And it's a damn shame because I believe with dedication and putting in the work he can be a good, if not great, starting QB. That said, I believe the Browns will try to deal him for a low round draft pick or cut him loose. They've already been burned from WR Josh Gordon's drug and alcohol problems and when a team has struggled like the Browns have in the win column over many years they don't need these constant distractions and baby-sitting "grown" men. Owner Jimmy Haslam gave Manziel a less than vote of confidence during his presser after the firings of Pettine and GM Farmer. Manziel made his bed and now he has to lie in it after repeated attempts by the Browns to "turn on the light" to Johnny. If I'm Cleveland I use the #2 pick to take the best QB on their board. Although, I must admit Joey Bosa could be the next JJ Watt but Cleveland can't get distracted from the real need for a top quality QB that they have lacked since maybe as far back as Bernie Kosar or Vinnie T.

(01-04-2016 01:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  The real question here is wether or not Sumlin is NFL HC material. He hasn't exactly set the world on fire at the top college level and more disturbingly has had trouble with his kids. If you can't deal with college kids you probably aren't equipped to deal with grown ass men being paid millions of dollars.

It's a different game in the NFL.

Sometimes grown ass men are bunch of cry babies when they get fined and get suspended for the dumb stuff they do like beating on women and all that.

Sorry but Sumlin is no NFL HC material, he's lucky to even be a college HC... I think assistant is his best option at this point but in college not the NFL.

(01-04-2016 08:33 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 08:00 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 07:29 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 06:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  It appears as though Johnny Manziel is out at Cleveland. Although I guess a new regime could change their mind

Manziel is OUT in Cleveland according to Peter King...dude basically went AWOL last week...supposed to have had a "Concussion"...night before the Sunday game spottedin Vegas and was supposed to report to the team facility Sunday Night...didn't show and didn't answer his phone the entire Sunday when the team tried to reach him

Bummer, if true. I hate to see someone with so much talent have it go to waste due to struggles with alcohol. I'm assuming it has something to do with that. He is probably one of the greatest college players I've ever seen. I hope he gets it together. Go Coogs!!!

More like affluenza. He comes from a wealthy family, and made millions on his own, so doesn't really care about putting in the work to become a good NFL QB.

Manziel has all the talent and potential in the world inside the mind of a teenager. The reasons for this have been discussed ad nauseam but his problem with alcohol and partying is well documented and is the main reason for his delayed development as a consistent, professional NFL QB IMO. And it's a damn shame because I believe with dedication and putting in the work he can be a good, if not great, starting QB. That said, I believe the Browns will try to deal him for a low round draft pick or cut him loose. They've already been burned from WR Josh Gordon's drug and alcohol problems and when a team has struggled like the Browns have in the win column over many years they don't need these constant distractions and baby-sitting "grown" men. Owner Jimmy Haslam gave Manziel a less than vote of confidence during his presser after the firings of Pettine and GM Farmer. Manziel made his bed and now he has to lie in it after repeated attempts by the Browns to "turn on the light" to Johnny. If I'm Cleveland I use the #2 pick to take the best QB on their board. Although, I must admit Joey Bosa could be the next JJ Watt but Cleveland can't get distracted from the real need for a top quality QB that they have lacked since maybe as far back as Bernie Kosar or Vinnie T.

When Haslem was asked about Manziel the telling part was when he said the Browns have the #2 Overall Pick...my hunch the next QB of the Browns will be Jared Goff-(Cal)...what going 4th or 5th overall...Tunsil will likely go #1 to Tennessee...gotta protect Mariota.

(01-04-2016 01:41 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If true for Sumlin, that kind of desperation would make Cleveland a viable option.

For the Cleveland Browns sake hopefully they aren't considering Sumlin as a candidate. They don't need to take a chance on a guy to see if he can make the transition from college to the pros.

Why not take a chance? They haven't done diddly squat since Jim Brown was playing for them. They can't do any worse than what they're doing now, right? One playoff appearance since they came back into the NFL, as a 9-7 team on the road?

Worst franchise is the NFL since the merger. At least the Lions had Barry Sanders.

(01-04-2016 04:06 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  boy the shine sure came off these two turds fast didn't it

mora did not even make it to "sumlin level" of hype or accomplishment before he fell off the map

UCLA is A&M West Coast.......they are the anti-A&M to the point they are just like A&M athletically

great location, hip cool location, great recruiting grounds, tons of resources, have always been the "big boy" in the conference even though they pretty much suck relative to expectations and great academics

but they just suck and under achieve consistently

A&M has won 11 national titles in basketball and is good basically every year? And how much has Sumlin accomplished? Do I have to post what his trophy case looks like again?

(01-04-2016 07:29 PM)RedEyeCougar Wrote:  Bummer, if true. I hate to see someone with so much talent have it go to waste due to struggles with alcohol. I'm assuming it has something to do with that. He is probably one of the greatest college players I've ever seen. I hope he gets it together. Go Coogs!!!

Between alcohol and not being a professional off the field (some would argue on the field as well). He was a suburban Texas kid that was spoiled and got anything he wanted growing up and on top of that was the big man on campus-football star as recently as three years ago, so he's getting a dose of the real world. He'll grow up and give it one more shot somewhere in the NFL and if not, he'll eat some humble pie and go to the CFL.

(01-04-2016 09:29 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Sorry but Sumlin is no NFL HC material, he's lucky to even be a college HC... I think assistant is his best option at this point but in college not the NFL.

I'm slightly contradicting here but Pay Him His Full Sumlin coaches in the toughest division in what is often the toughest conference in football. Short of winning a conference title, he's done well enough to be a college coach. He's not winning between 1-5 games a year or getting blown out by FCS schools or something.

But he should master the college ranks before moving up. I think he sees the writing on the wall if next season is not a big year.

(01-04-2016 03:17 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 02:10 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  I would be surprised if an NFL team does not go after Hue Jackson.

Jackson will definitely get a look. As I QB specialist I think he would be an interesting pick for the Giants.

Miami and San Fran have requested to interview him.

(01-04-2016 06:47 PM)Maize Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  If true for Sumlin, that kind of desperation would make Cleveland a viable option.

It appears as though Johnny Manziel is out at Cleveland. Although I guess a new regime could change their mind

Manziel is OUT in Cleveland according to Peter King...dude basically went AWOL last week...supposed to have had a "Concussion"...night before the Sunday game spotted in Vegas and was supposed to report to the team facility Sunday Morning...didn't show and didn't answer his phone the entire Sunday when the team tried to reach him

Birds of a feather !

(01-04-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  http://www.yardbarker.com/college_footba...rites_head


Michael Silver
‎@MikeSilver
Two college coaches who, sources say, are trying hard to get to the NFL: UCLA's Jim Mora and Texas A&M's Kevin Sumlin...



That would be two major jobs opened up.

Sumlin has been ok, but he doesn't strike me as NFL material. Then again, Chip Kelly's lack of success surprises me. It seems the coaching success, or lack thereof, is different at the NFL level.

(01-05-2016 11:48 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 12:12 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  http://www.yardbarker.com/college_footba...rites_head


Michael Silver
‎@MikeSilver
Two college coaches who, sources say, are trying hard to get to the NFL: UCLA's Jim Mora and Texas A&M's Kevin Sumlin...



That would be two major jobs opened up.

Sumlin has been ok, but he doesn't strike me as NFL material. Then again, Chip Kelly's lack of success surprises me. It seems the coaching success, or lack thereof, is different at the NFL level.

Guys making the Millions think They know more than the Coaches, and just shut down some of the learning aspect of the game. One reason some Rookies seem to stand out the first year or Two as some of the older veterans won't push the envelope as hard making it hard on coaching staffs to retain Their jobs.

(01-05-2016 11:48 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Sumlin has been ok, but he doesn't strike me as NFL material. Then again, Chip Kelly's lack of success surprises me. It seems the coaching success, or lack thereof, is different at the NFL level.

I don't know if Chip Kelly had a "lack of success." He wasn't fired purely for his win/loss record.

(01-04-2016 03:37 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 02:05 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  It's a shame Pettine didn't work out. I was rooting for him, since he came from good football stock in SEPA and got a pro HC gig without going through the collegiate level, which is mired in ridiculous politics that would have added at least a decade to his career path if coaching in the pros was something he wanted. Someone took a chance on him in Baltimore...I wonder if he goes back there.

If the Eagles do go back to the college ranks, maybe they look in their own backyard this time.

I don't know much about Pettine but I thought he was sabotaged by the owner by having to deal with the whole JFF fiasco. I think if he could have stuck with Hoyer, that the Browns could have been properly evaluated.

Pettine was the focus of an ESPN doc about his team, North Penn High School, PA 's largest public district, and him being the son of the coach from the next district over, Central Bucks West, who basically owned 4A ball during his career. The doc ended with his team losing to his dad's in the playoffs, wity the note the two never crossed paths again on the playing field (Pettine Sr. retired that seaon).

I like that he's local and side-stepped the college level, other than GA functions at the start of his career.

As for "sabotage," I don't know. He had a thug under him at North Penn at QB (might be the kid in the doc), who was caught on video beating a rival school's player (one from West, iirc, after Sr. left) with others on the team. Pettine stood by his kids so much so that he let the guys all play until someone forced them out of school. Video evidence be darned. He's not an honorable guy, not for that, at least, and it looks like his loyalty to headcase QB's bit him again.

If the man had any honor, he would have cut JFF to sidestep that drama altogether. If he failed in Cleveland thereafter, so what? Other teams would see the character traits there for a second shot. Now? One can only wonder if his career is tainted anyway and prohibits a robust future because of that stupid kid.

Johnny Manziel is not a tragedy. Just a little punk receiving his comeuppance.