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WBB-Conference Assessment
Well, with two conference games already in the books and play tipping off for all remaining teams this weekend, now is as good of time as any to assess the state of C-USA WBB.

Let's get one thing out of the way from the start. This is a one bid league this year. There isn't a single team with the OOC resume to warrant even a second look from the committee. While UTEP, Marshall and FAU all stepped up and built nice W/L records in OOC play, none of them have a true quality win of note. Western has one of the best OOC wins with a victory over Louisville. But that win isn't as quality as it once looked and the rest of their OOC schedule was far too weak for an at-large bid. And MT, the pre-season league pick, has looked like a team that will lose 4-5 conference games.

This season in conference play should be fun. There is no team that is dominant. Your top two pre-season selections combined for a 10-13 OOC record. Some of last year's bottom feeders have made significant improvements (we see you NT!) This season really is anyone's to win. Well, maybe not ANYONE as Rice and FIU are still worthless. But one of those two will probably upset a top team at some point this season.

RPIs at this point in the season are still pretty hit or miss. But it is encouraging to see six conference teams in the top-125. Going forward, in this year and future years, it is vital that our teams all take steps to raise their RPIs. We should ALWAYS have 4-5 teams in the top-100 and another 2-3 in the next 50. It would help if Rice, FIU and UTSA could climb out of the sub-250s.
01-02-2016 12:34 PM
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Southern Miss, who you didn't mention, Defeated La Tech tonight 69-59.....
01-02-2016 08:22 PM
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We have a test tomorrow vs UAB. We will see the true caliber of this team in conference play. Need senior leadership to step up -- and conference play is the time to really get that in the heads of the players.
01-02-2016 08:28 PM
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7 teams in the top 150. #10 conference overall. Not too bad. Our schedule sucks bad (328) but at least we aren't 4-5 against it. 8-1 isn't a bad place to be considering. I mean if you're gonna schedule awful, the least you can do is win the games.
01-02-2016 08:36 PM
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I just saw the WKU / Marshall score ... Holy cow! Did Wku play that good or did Marshall have a bad day? Both teams now 10-2
01-02-2016 09:08 PM
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(01-02-2016 08:22 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  Southern Miss, who you didn't mention, Defeated La Tech tonight 69-59.....


I'm sorry I didn't mention USM and their 6-4 OOC record without a single win against a top-150 RPI. They aren't in line for an at-large bid either.

Happy now?
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I think our ladies are looking pretty decent right now. We have four teams in the top 100 and three in the next 50. Rated as a current top 10 league I think we do have an outside shot of an at large. Charlotte and UTEP are sitting inside the top 50 if they can continue to win and get inside the top 30 they should have a fair chance at the tournament.
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I just hope the team that was picked to finish 2nd in the conference finally shows up for league play. Starting with Charlotte.
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(01-02-2016 09:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  I just saw the WKU / Marshall score ... Holy cow! Did Wku play that good or did Marshall have a bad day? Both teams now 10-2

From what I can tell, both are true. WKU is very, very good. Marshall couldn't throw it in the ocean today. I'm pretty sure WKU had a lot to do with that, but nonetheless, 1-14 from 3 is a rough day.

I think WKU played well and Marshall shot poorly on the same day, which led to the descrepency. Hopefully Marshall can get it back together. Lots of new, young players at Marshall and this is their first taste of adversity.
01-03-2016 01:17 AM
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I also noticed that you didn't mention who the out of conference losses were to also. So I will. Baylor, Mississippi State, North Carolina, and UT Chattanooga. Three of the four ranked at the time, two in the top ten, and all on the road. We have beaten SEC member Ole Miss. Thanks for the mention after the fact though
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(01-03-2016 08:34 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  I also noticed that you didn't mention who the out of conference losses were to also. So I will. Baylor, Mississippi State, North Carolina, and UT Chattanooga. Three of the four ranked at the time, two in the top ten, and all on the road. We have beaten SEC member Ole Miss. Thanks for the mention after the fact though

So of everything I have written in this thread, is there anything you actually DISAGREE with, or are you just hurt because I didn't actually talk about USM?

The fact remains that nobody in this league is getting an at-large bid. And our champion is currently in line for a 12/13 seed.
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I don't agree with your statement that its a fact no one in the league is getting an at large. UTEP has an RPI inside the top 35 and is currently receiving top 25 votes. If they continue to win they have a good shot at getting an at large bid. It's still a long season and they are in the discussion for a bid.

The experts seem to agree that at the moment C-USA is a two bid league.
http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basket...acketology
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01-04-2016 02:38 PM
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Attendance Update (averages)

1) Middle Tennessee -- 6,276
2) Old Dominion -- 3,696
3) Louisiana Tech -- 2,053
4) Western Kentucky -- 1,778
5) Marshall -- 1,505
6) Charlotte -- 1,432
7) Southern Miss -- 1,372
8) UTEP -- 839
9) North Texas -- 811
10) Rice -- 626
11) FIU -- 372
12) UAB -- 337
13) FAU -- 333
14) UTSA -- 300

I realize women's basketball isn't that big at a lot of schools but to have 4 schools averaging in the 300s is just sad.
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(01-04-2016 02:43 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  Attendance Update (averages)

1) Middle Tennessee -- 6,276
2) Old Dominion -- 3,696
3) Louisiana Tech -- 2,053
4) Western Kentucky -- 1,778
5) Marshall -- 1,505
6) Charlotte -- 1,432
7) Southern Miss -- 1,372
8) UTEP -- 839
9) North Texas -- 811
10) Rice -- 626
11) FIU -- 372
12) UAB -- 337
13) FAU -- 333
14) UTSA -- 300

I realize women's basketball isn't that big at a lot of schools but to have 4 schools averaging in the 300s is just sad.

I'm glad that ODU can still get a decent crowd with what might be the worst team they've had in some time (knowing also that the Education Day game is skewing the numbers).

It appears the Middle Tennessee women are ranked third in CUSA for all basketball, trailing only the UTEP men and ODU men. Impressive.
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(01-04-2016 02:38 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  I don't agree with your statement that its a fact no one in the league is getting an at large. UTEP has an RPI inside the top 35 and is currently receiving top 25 votes. If they continue to win they have a good shot at getting an at large bid. It's still a long season and they are in the discussion for a bid.

The experts seem to agree that at the moment C-USA is a two bid league.
http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basket...acketology

UTEP's record/RPI is a joke to start the season. Your "quality" wins are against UC Riverside and Idaho St. Unless you run the table in league play (not happening), at the end of the year, you simply won't have a resume to point to as worthy of an at-large bid. The RPI has been correcting itself the past few weeks and you'll end the season somewhere in the 60s assuming you don't lose games against FIU/Rice/UTSA. And touting RV in your at-large arguments further highlights your flawed reasoning. The selection committee doesn't give a flying rip about RVs.

And I don't know what Creme was smoking when he put Western in his bracket over Virginia. It's the first bracket of the season. Plenty of screwy prognostications when you have to put the CURRENT league leaders in over the teams you "know" will be there in the end.
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Ok I got it. So basically we are a one bid league because you saw into the future and already predetermined every teams fate. Since I'm not a fortune teller I'm going by what's happening right now and not what is about to happen or might happen or might not happen. I'm not touting anything at all. Pointing out that other so called "experts" see more good in CUSA than what you're giving us credit for. Anyways we are in good position right now to receive an at large bid if we keep winning. If I'm wrong so be it. At least I'm not the bearer of bad news squashing every other teams achievements simply because of your predictions.
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Shirley is a tool, isn't he...lol
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Not really, it's just how it is. You can be 13-0 in OOC but if your best win is UC Riverside you will not be considered for an at-large if you lose in conference games. With that said, WKU has played a good OOC schedule and won against it so if anyone would be at-large it'd be them.
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I don't give a flying rats butt who gets the at large. If it's us great if it's Western Kentucky good for them if it's someone else I'll celebrate with them. My only problem is that we already hear enough negative rep about our conference from everyone around us. The last place I want negativity is from our own schools. There might not be a lot of good things happening around C-USA but right now this a positive thing.

For him to matter of fact state that we are a one bid league is bogus. Because it's not a FACT until the season plays itself out. UTEP and or WKU could run the table finish 16-2 win two more at the CUSA tournament but stumble at the championship game. We might be in line for two of our schools to get an invite to the NCAA tournament. The CUSA champ and if another team runs the table. If I'm wrong I rather eat crow like a man than stand from the other side pointing a finger saying "see I told you we were a one bid league"

I like to see the glass half full.
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Bingo, Miner
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