Until we prove to be a multiple bid league, it's fact that we should expect only one. We have known what it's like to be snubbed when we are more deserving in a league like the SBC, both MT and WKU have had this happen. So it is natural to be suspicious. Women's hoops is especially difficult b/c the parity is so large - not being in a P5 conference is even MORE important when it comes to bubble teams.

Oh I see the glass as MORE than half full. I wrote in my first post that this season will be exciting as they is not a dominant team in the league and every game, every night, should be a good one. I LOVE the fact that C-USA has multiple teams in the top-100 RPI. It sucked to be in the Belt with only MT, UALR and Western with RPIs worth a crap. I'm excited to see UNT make the climb from the cellar to becoming a real challenge and owning the best OOC win of the season. FAU is doing the work to build their program. I'm pulling for LaTech and ODU to become household names again in WBB. I love the fact that over half the league's team are in the top half of the RPI standings. I WANT to see multiple teams from the conference make the dance every year.

But the fact is that our league didn't earn enough quality wins in OOC play. Heck, UTEP didn't even PLAY any "real" quality teams in OOC. That's not "negativity." It's reality. Kudos to USM, MT, LaTech, ODU, UNT and Charlotte for scheduling multiple quality opponents. But we didn't notch enough wins against the top teams. And without quality wins, a team doesn't make the dance as an at-large.

But I'll step up and eat a little UTEP crow right now. Before the season began, I said I was skeptical that a player would come back from having a baby and be a star player. UTEP has certainly had more success in this department this year than MT has had in recent years. If she keeps it up, she'll be 1st Team without a doubt and she might well lead the Miners to the league title.

LOL...

Quote:Until we prove to be a multiple bid league, it's fact that we should expect only one.

We have proven to be a multiple bid league for the last 20 years. Here are some actual facts. Things that have occurred and are in the history books for anyone that's willing to research .

In 20 years of C-USA women's basketball we have sent 52 teams to the NCAA tournament. 33 of those were at large bids. That averages out to 2.6 teams per season. C-USA used to regularly send 3-5 teams to the dance. We have built a strong reputation through the years of being a top 10 basketball league.

Quote:We have known what it's like to be snubbed when we are more deserving in a league like the SBC, both MT and WKU have had this happen. So it is natural to be suspicious.

NEWS FLASH this is not the Sun Belt. No need to bring that inferiority complex over to C-USA. I feel your pain of being snubbed but it had nothing to do with C-USA. I could care less what the Sun Belt stats are but I am certain they don't have the same reputation we have earned. (You're free to prove me wrong with actual numbers if you like)

Stop trying to make this about UTEP. This is about our entire conference. Until we see more than two conference games no one can say it's a fact we are one bid league. There are many tools out there to forecast the remaining of the season. Just how you say no one is earning an at large they say we are.

Let's say that for example Western Kentucky would have won their ooc games and entered conference at 11-0. Even then you can't say it's a fact they are earning an at large because they could fall flat on their face and finish C-USA 11-7 and be at risk of not getting an at large.

My main point is don't predict failure for the conference until all the cards have been played.

(01-06-2016 12:29 PM)JCMiner Wrote:  

Quote:Until we prove to be a multiple bid league, it's fact that we should expect only one.

We have proven to be a multiple bid league for the last 20 years. Here are some actual facts. Things that have occurred and are in the history books for anyone that's willing to research .

In 20 years of C-USA women's basketball we have sent 52 teams to the NCAA tournament. 33 of those were at large bids. That averages out to 2.6 teams per season. C-USA used to regularly send 3-5 teams to the dance. We have built a strong reputation through the years of being a top 10 basketball league.

Quote:We have known what it's like to be snubbed when we are more deserving in a league like the SBC, both MT and WKU have had this happen. So it is natural to be suspicious.

NEWS FLASH this is not the Sun Belt. No need to bring that inferiority complex over to C-USA. I feel your pain of being snubbed but it had nothing to do with C-USA. I could care less what the Sun Belt stats are but I am certain they don't have the same reputation we have earned. (You're free to prove me wrong with actual numbers if you like)

Stop trying to make this about UTEP. This is about our entire conference. Until we see more than two conference games no one can say it's a fact we are one bid league. There are many tools out there to forecast the remaining of the season. Just how you say no one is earning an at large they say we are.

Let's say that for example Western Kentucky would have won their ooc games and entered conference at 11-0. Even then you can't say it's a fact they are earning an at large because they could fall flat on their face and finish C-USA 11-7 and be at risk of not getting an at large.

My main point is don't predict failure for the conference until all the cards have been played.

You just don't get it. History has nothing to do with it. I am not talking about our multiple bids in the past. 7 of our teams have RPI below 150 and 4 are below 200. Only THREE have SOS above 100, and one of those is ODU at #94 (the others are MT at #50 and Charlotte at #54). Having a reputation for being a conference with multiple bids - with a different group of members - isn't worth anything unfortunately. History matters little in a season.

It's not predicting failure. It is stating the facts and knowing what comes along with it. Having a crap load of teams with sub-mediocre RPI and very bad SOS is not a good combination. Doesn't matter what league you are. It's pretty easy to say who's NOT getting an at-large (MT this year, for example) but it's much more difficult to say who IS out of the small field of teams who would be looked at by the committee. Unfortunately, their criteria are not favorable to CUSA teams this year based on SOS and other factors. You can be 11-0 in OOC and play MEAC and SWAC teams and be a laughingstock in NCAA selection time because you will not have any respect. That's the point here. We need to improve our scheduling, otherwise don't expect much.

lol..again. Obviously, Ole Blue doesn't get it...

Alright fair game. If C-USA earns an at large you eat crow. If they don't I will. The odds are on your side but I wouldn't want it any other way. Long live the underdogs.

(01-07-2016 08:00 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  lol..again. Obviously, Ole Blue doesn't get it...

Right. Well, let's see how the season ends again and whether or not anyone can go undefeated in conference play. Because losing in conference play to anyone sub-150 RPI will drastically hurt any at-large chances any of the top RPI teams have at getting in. RPIs generally need to be higher than 40 to be serious for an at large in a normal year. That's not likely to happen this year in CUSA. I'd love to see one of our teams get in as an at large but I know how this type of thing works after being on the bubble each year we haven't won our tournament for a decade plus.

You still don't get it...wow

(01-08-2016 08:33 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  You still don't get it...wow

I think last night's game between Charlotte and USM proves my point well.

On another note: FAU beat Marshall last night, 84-73. FAU was 17-29 from 3-pt. range. They were 13-31 from 2.

Marshall was 4-24 from 3, and are like, 5-38 in two road games.

That's basketball, though!

(01-08-2016 06:37 PM)ThunderingHerdFan Wrote:  On another note: FAU beat Marshall last night, 84-73. FAU was 17-29 from 3-pt. range. They were 13-31 from 2.

Marshall was 4-24 from 3, and are like, 5-38 in two road games.

That's basketball, though!

Wow! That just goes to show you... anything can happen. Best to be prepared for the unexpected.

(01-08-2016 05:58 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 08:33 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  You still don't get it...wow

I think last night's game between Charlotte and USM proves my point well.

Well, with that statement, I shouldn't have to respond again. You just don't get it...lol

It's funny that "anything can happen" Except CUSA getting an at large no no no that's a proven fact it will not occur.

The FACT is that no team built an OOC resume worthy of an at-large bid. I don't understand why that remains a point of contention.

Had UTEP actually PLAYED, let alone beaten, any teams of note during the OOC portion of the schedule, it would be a different discussion. But unlike teams like USM, MT, ODU, LaTech, UNT and Charlotte who scheduled multiple games against top-RPI foes, UTEP shied away from facing any teams from a Power-5 conference or known mid-major powers like Gonzaga, South Dakota St, Green Bay or Florida Gulf Coast. So while the record looks impressive and the team clearly isn't a paper tiger (see the win over MT), the actual resume of real accomplishments is lacking.

Both coaches from UTEP seem bent on the cusa tourney. That's why the poor ooc schedule for women's and the poor play from the men. It's as frustrating for us as it is to you.

Haha once again you try and make it about UTEP. When the original issue is your statement that it's a fact no one in CUSA is getting an at large.

Go ahead and bash our ooc schedule. I had nothing to do with making it and doesn't affect me at all.

If you guys spent a 1/4 off the time looking for ways we can be an at large instead of finding ways why we don't deserve it others might take us a little more serious

I go over to the AAC board and all the schools band together and defend why they aren't a one bid league. On Twitter all MW schools making a case why they deserve two bids. Over here you guys look for every flaw on why we should be a one bid league. Enough of this loser mentality.

Let some sunshine into your life and smile at people once in awhile. You might realize life is not as gloomy as you paint it.

Marshall is now 11-3(1-2) with a win over FIU.

Well according to ESPN UTEP and WKU are getting into Tournament...

I'll believe it when I see it. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched. I would love for us to have two teams in the tournament but we need work as a conference to get to that point consistently.