(01-02-2016 08:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sometimes the "crowd" is correct. The reason there was that "talk to your kids about an undefeated Iowa" meme going around was that most thought Iowa was a Paper Tiger, a lucky team winning close games against a soft schedule, like FSU last year.

And like FSU last year, the critics were proven correct, as a powerful PAC team exposed and humiliated them in the Rose Bowl.

It's pretty clear that going forward, the CFP committee should pay a LOT more attention to SOS. Stanford should have been in the playoffs, not Michigan State.

Wrong, the committee got it right....thats why you play the games ON THE FIELD. Stanford lost twice, once to Northwestern

FSU comparison was stupid as well....FSU OOC last year had Florida, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma State. They were undefeated defending National Champs

Delete thread and start over

(01-03-2016 11:00 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 08:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sometimes the "crowd" is correct. The reason there was that "talk to your kids about an undefeated Iowa" meme going around was that most thought Iowa was a Paper Tiger, a lucky team winning close games against a soft schedule, like FSU last year.

And like FSU last year, the critics were proven correct, as a powerful PAC team exposed and humiliated them in the Rose Bowl.

It's pretty clear that going forward, the CFP committee should pay a LOT more attention to SOS. Stanford should have been in the playoffs, not Michigan State.

Wrong, the committee got it right....thats why you play the games ON THE FIELD. Stanford lost twice, once to Northwestern

FSU comparison was stupid as well....FSU OOC last year had Florida, Notre Dame, and Oklahoma State. They were undefeated defending National Champs

Delete thread and start over

Yeah....kind of hard to leave out the 2014 FSU Team...played 12 P5 Opponents before they played Oregon...was Undefeated as well at 13-0 and won a P5 Conference Title....they hit every check mark.

The Rose Bowl is also not really valid...That is a Contract Bowl and the Rose Bowl chose the B1G Runner Up since the B1G Champ was in the Playoffs.

Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

(01-03-2016 11:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

H1, I have no problem with any fan of a particular school showing excitement over his team playing well. But a cursory glance at threads throughout the season shows that a theme for a number of posters has been the type of thread Nebraskafan started bashing the SEC and glorifying the Big 10. That theme is to make a statement as "proof" that the SEC is X, whether the X is that the SEC is overrated, is in decline, etc. There was at least a couple of those threads on the front page all of the time. So the bashing, from my perspective, has come primarily from those who either dislike the SEC or want to make the conference that they favor look better by comparison. You are correct that there have been others who have contributed to the SEC bashing, but Nebraskafan has been the most "in your face" about it, so the replies to him may indeed be more direct. But I didn't see a yearlong bashing of the Big 10 in the same manner that has existed on this board toward the SEC.

It's getting a bit tiresome. Conferences don't win games or championships, teams do. The same guys beating their chests today because a conference mate won their bowl game will go back to hating them tomorrow. For my part, I didn't shed a tear when Florida got smoked and would have been just fine if Arkansas and Tennessee had been crushed.

(01-03-2016 11:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

Come on H1. Plenty of people gave the B1G credit during the year. The Hoosiers were a surprisingly tough out and the Hawkeyes were an unexpected surprise. Conversely, the SEC was derided fairly IMO due to the weak QB play. The rivalry between to two conferences is fun entertainment, but most people know these games aren't an accurate comparison between the SEC and B1G.

(01-03-2016 01:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

Come on H1. Plenty of people gave the B1G credit during the year. The Hoosiers were a surprisingly tough out and the Hawkeyes were an unexpected surprise. Conversely, the SEC was derided fairly IMO due to the weak QB play. The rivalry between to two conferences is fun entertainment, but most people know these games aren't an accurate comparison between the SEC and B1G.

Im all for a healthy rivalry and that is how it is mostly from our end of things with Nebraskafan as the exception to the rule. On the other hand, people like you are the exception to the rule on the SEC end and that is blatant to see for anyone that isn't biased towards seeing the SEC side of things favorably.

Plus we are the only group here that pretty much has zero say up in the moderator ranks. Commuter is gone...hmmm wonder why? We have a Rutgers guy that has more history with others than with Big Ten and yet I barely see him around. We have an SEC moderator taking shots and then closing threads to protect the SEC guys. Don't tell me it is even steven around here when it isn't. This forum clearly doesn't want much of a Big Ten presence here.

The Independents are the ones without any presence. No board or moderators. We float along, attaching like barnacles to any surface we can find.

lol....I bash the middle to bottom level of the B1G more than I do of any other conference. I have lived in B1G country my hole life and I know how hopeless most of those programs are.

PSU, Nebraska, Ohio State and Michigan need to be at the top on a yearly basis. Been saying that ever since Nebraska joined the B1G.

(01-03-2016 11:00 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 08:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sometimes the "crowd" is correct. The reason there was that "talk to your kids about an undefeated Iowa" meme going around was that most thought Iowa was a Paper Tiger, a lucky team winning close games against a soft schedule, like FSU last year.

And like FSU last year, the critics were proven correct, as a powerful PAC team exposed and humiliated them in the Rose Bowl.

It's pretty clear that going forward, the CFP committee should pay a LOT more attention to SOS. Stanford should have been in the playoffs, not Michigan State.

Wrong, the committee got it right....thats why you play the games ON THE FIELD. Stanford lost twice, once to Northwestern

That's why the CFP failed - it looked at losses rather than SOS. Iowa played a much softer schedule and had no quality wins. IIRC, their best win was against Northwestern, who lost by about 10 billion points to a Tennessee team that was never a factor in the SEC this year.

Losses are overrated. If Alabama had played the 1985 Chicago Bears 10 times this year and Vandy twice, their record would be 2-10. Would that mean they weren't as good as Iowa? Of course not.

You have to look at the schedule, and Iowa just didn't play any top teams until the very end - and lost both times. And yet the CFP had them ranked higher than Stanford!

Think about it: The CFP had BOTH Iowa and MSU ranked ahead of Stanford. Those teams got beat by over 30 points each! Neither beat anyone outside the B1G all year.

The committee vastly overrated the B1G.

(01-03-2016 02:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

Come on H1. Plenty of people gave the B1G credit during the year. The Hoosiers were a surprisingly tough out and the Hawkeyes were an unexpected surprise. Conversely, the SEC was derided fairly IMO due to the weak QB play. The rivalry between to two conferences is fun entertainment, but most people know these games aren't an accurate comparison between the SEC and B1G.

Im all for a healthy rivalry and that is how it is mostly from our end of things with Nebraskafan as the exception to the rule. On the other hand, people like you are the exception to the rule on the SEC end and that is blatant to see for anyone that isn't biased towards seeing the SEC side of things favorably.

Plus we are the only group here that pretty much has zero say up in the moderator ranks. Commuter is gone...hmmm wonder why? We have a Rutgers guy that has more history with others than with Big Ten and yet I barely see him around. We have an SEC moderator taking shots and then closing threads to protect the SEC guys. Don't tell me it is even steven around here when it isn't. This forum clearly doesn't want much of a Big Ten presence here.

Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the Big10. It has to do with you. There are great Big10 posters. Nobody has anything against Big10 fans or posters; they don't like you. I know accepting people don't like you is probably more difficult to deal with than saying they hate the Big10 but you'll just have to learn.

(01-03-2016 11:04 AM)Maize Wrote:  Yeah....kind of hard to leave out the 2014 FSU Team...played 12 P5 Opponents before they played Oregon...was Undefeated as well at 13-0 and won a P5 Conference Title....they hit every check mark.

FWIW, I agree FSU should have made the playoffs, couldn't leave them out.

But it was also true that most thought they weren't one of the best four teams, that they should have had 3-4 losses but got extremely lucky scraping by some teams during the season.

(01-03-2016 03:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:00 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 08:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sometimes the "crowd" is correct. The reason there was that "talk to your kids about an undefeated Iowa" meme going around was that most thought Iowa was a Paper Tiger, a lucky team winning close games against a soft schedule, like FSU last year.

And like FSU last year, the critics were proven correct, as a powerful PAC team exposed and humiliated them in the Rose Bowl.

It's pretty clear that going forward, the CFP committee should pay a LOT more attention to SOS. Stanford should have been in the playoffs, not Michigan State.

Wrong, the committee got it right....thats why you play the games ON THE FIELD. Stanford lost twice, once to Northwestern

That's why the CFP failed - it looked at losses rather than SOS. Iowa played a much softer schedule and had no quality wins. IIRC, their best win was against Northwestern, who lost by about 10 billion points to a Tennessee team that was never a factor in the SEC this year.

Losses are overrated. If Alabama had played the 1985 Chicago Bears 10 times this year and Vandy twice, their record would be 2-10. Would that mean they weren't as good as Iowa? Of course not.

You have to look at the schedule, and Iowa just didn't play any top teams until the very end - and lost both times. And yet the CFP had them ranked higher than Stanford!

Think about it: The CFP had BOTH Iowa and MSU ranked ahead of Stanford. Those teams got beat by over 30 points each! Neither beat anyone outside the B1G all year.

The committee vastly overrated the B1G.

I hate to keep bringing this up, but NW beat Stanford. Iowa blew out NW.

Before new years eve, there was nothing to suggest Stanford should be higher. USC had lost to Wisconsin. UCLA lost to Neb. Oregon had lost to Mich St. STANFORD had lost to NW.

Look, I am confused as anybody why Mich St, Iowa and NW had lost so badly, but there was nothing to suggest it was going to be that bad. But you can't point at regular seasin results and say anything was obvious.

(01-03-2016 04:16 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 03:03 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:00 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(01-02-2016 08:41 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Sometimes the "crowd" is correct. The reason there was that "talk to your kids about an undefeated Iowa" meme going around was that most thought Iowa was a Paper Tiger, a lucky team winning close games against a soft schedule, like FSU last year.

And like FSU last year, the critics were proven correct, as a powerful PAC team exposed and humiliated them in the Rose Bowl.

It's pretty clear that going forward, the CFP committee should pay a LOT more attention to SOS. Stanford should have been in the playoffs, not Michigan State.

Wrong, the committee got it right....thats why you play the games ON THE FIELD. Stanford lost twice, once to Northwestern

That's why the CFP failed - it looked at losses rather than SOS. Iowa played a much softer schedule and had no quality wins. IIRC, their best win was against Northwestern, who lost by about 10 billion points to a Tennessee team that was never a factor in the SEC this year.

Losses are overrated. If Alabama had played the 1985 Chicago Bears 10 times this year and Vandy twice, their record would be 2-10. Would that mean they weren't as good as Iowa? Of course not.

You have to look at the schedule, and Iowa just didn't play any top teams until the very end - and lost both times. And yet the CFP had them ranked higher than Stanford!

Think about it: The CFP had BOTH Iowa and MSU ranked ahead of Stanford. Those teams got beat by over 30 points each! Neither beat anyone outside the B1G all year.

The committee vastly overrated the B1G.

I hate to keep bringing this up, but NW beat Stanford. Iowa blew out NW.

Before new years eve, there was nothing to suggest Stanford should be higher.

Except that Stanford had played a far tougher schedule and Iowa had not beat a good team all year.

The CFP vastly overrated the B1G.

(01-03-2016 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 02:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

Come on H1. Plenty of people gave the B1G credit during the year. The Hoosiers were a surprisingly tough out and the Hawkeyes were an unexpected surprise. Conversely, the SEC was derided fairly IMO due to the weak QB play. The rivalry between to two conferences is fun entertainment, but most people know these games aren't an accurate comparison between the SEC and B1G.

Im all for a healthy rivalry and that is how it is mostly from our end of things with Nebraskafan as the exception to the rule. On the other hand, people like you are the exception to the rule on the SEC end and that is blatant to see for anyone that isn't biased towards seeing the SEC side of things favorably.

Plus we are the only group here that pretty much has zero say up in the moderator ranks. Commuter is gone...hmmm wonder why? We have a Rutgers guy that has more history with others than with Big Ten and yet I barely see him around. We have an SEC moderator taking shots and then closing threads to protect the SEC guys. Don't tell me it is even steven around here when it isn't. This forum clearly doesn't want much of a Big Ten presence here.

Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the Big10. It has to do with you. There are great Big10 posters. Nobody has anything against Big10 fans or posters; they don't like you. I know accepting people don't like you is probably more difficult to deal with than saying they hate the Big10 but you'll just have to learn.

reported. I honestly don't give a lick about someone like you, liking me. Other Big Ten folks have been sending me messages of support in PM. You don't know what you are talking about, you are a major problem lately.

(01-03-2016 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 02:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:06 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Don't take the SEC guys so seriously with their posts. Their never ending agenda is to badmouth anything at all relating to The Big Ten. They come off more and more like angry little brothers despite all the success that they have.

Come on H1. Plenty of people gave the B1G credit during the year. The Hoosiers were a surprisingly tough out and the Hawkeyes were an unexpected surprise. Conversely, the SEC was derided fairly IMO due to the weak QB play. The rivalry between to two conferences is fun entertainment, but most people know these games aren't an accurate comparison between the SEC and B1G.

Im all for a healthy rivalry and that is how it is mostly from our end of things with Nebraskafan as the exception to the rule. On the other hand, people like you are the exception to the rule on the SEC end and that is blatant to see for anyone that isn't biased towards seeing the SEC side of things favorably.

Plus we are the only group here that pretty much has zero say up in the moderator ranks. Commuter is gone...hmmm wonder why? We have a Rutgers guy that has more history with others than with Big Ten and yet I barely see him around. We have an SEC moderator taking shots and then closing threads to protect the SEC guys. Don't tell me it is even steven around here when it isn't. This forum clearly doesn't want much of a Big Ten presence here.

Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the Big10. It has to do with you. There are great Big10 posters. Nobody has anything against Big10 fans or posters; they don't like you. I know accepting people don't like you is probably more difficult to deal with than saying they hate the Big10 but you'll just have to learn.

reported. I honestly don't give a lick about someone like you, liking me. Other Big Ten folks have been sending me messages of support in PM. You don't know what you are talking about, you are a major problem lately.

Did you also report your violation of the AUP earlier in the thread?

(01-03-2016 06:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 02:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 01:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Come on H1. Plenty of people gave the B1G credit during the year. The Hoosiers were a surprisingly tough out and the Hawkeyes were an unexpected surprise. Conversely, the SEC was derided fairly IMO due to the weak QB play. The rivalry between to two conferences is fun entertainment, but most people know these games aren't an accurate comparison between the SEC and B1G.

Im all for a healthy rivalry and that is how it is mostly from our end of things with Nebraskafan as the exception to the rule. On the other hand, people like you are the exception to the rule on the SEC end and that is blatant to see for anyone that isn't biased towards seeing the SEC side of things favorably.

Plus we are the only group here that pretty much has zero say up in the moderator ranks. Commuter is gone...hmmm wonder why? We have a Rutgers guy that has more history with others than with Big Ten and yet I barely see him around. We have an SEC moderator taking shots and then closing threads to protect the SEC guys. Don't tell me it is even steven around here when it isn't. This forum clearly doesn't want much of a Big Ten presence here.

Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the Big10. It has to do with you. There are great Big10 posters. Nobody has anything against Big10 fans or posters; they don't like you. I know accepting people don't like you is probably more difficult to deal with than saying they hate the Big10 but you'll just have to learn.

reported. I honestly don't give a lick about someone like you, liking me. Other Big Ten folks have been sending me messages of support in PM. You don't know what you are talking about, you are a major problem lately.

Did you also report your violation of the AUP earlier in the thread?

I'm sure someone did. Go for it.

(01-03-2016 06:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 02:17 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Im all for a healthy rivalry and that is how it is mostly from our end of things with Nebraskafan as the exception to the rule. On the other hand, people like you are the exception to the rule on the SEC end and that is blatant to see for anyone that isn't biased towards seeing the SEC side of things favorably.

Plus we are the only group here that pretty much has zero say up in the moderator ranks. Commuter is gone...hmmm wonder why? We have a Rutgers guy that has more history with others than with Big Ten and yet I barely see him around. We have an SEC moderator taking shots and then closing threads to protect the SEC guys. Don't tell me it is even steven around here when it isn't. This forum clearly doesn't want much of a Big Ten presence here.

Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the Big10. It has to do with you. There are great Big10 posters. Nobody has anything against Big10 fans or posters; they don't like you. I know accepting people don't like you is probably more difficult to deal with than saying they hate the Big10 but you'll just have to learn.

reported. I honestly don't give a lick about someone like you, liking me. Other Big Ten folks have been sending me messages of support in PM. You don't know what you are talking about, you are a major problem lately.

Did you also report your violation of the AUP earlier in the thread?

I'm sure someone did. Go for it.

Nah....I'll let somebody else be the childish, whiny, sour grapes little tattle-tale rather than be lumped in with you.

(01-03-2016 06:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:14 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 06:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 05:48 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 03:14 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

Grow up!

It has nothing to do with the Big10. It has to do with you. There are great Big10 posters. Nobody has anything against Big10 fans or posters; they don't like you. I know accepting people don't like you is probably more difficult to deal with than saying they hate the Big10 but you'll just have to learn.

reported. I honestly don't give a lick about someone like you, liking me. Other Big Ten folks have been sending me messages of support in PM. You don't know what you are talking about, you are a major problem lately.

Did you also report your violation of the AUP earlier in the thread?

I'm sure someone did. Go for it.

Nah....I'll let somebody else be the childish, whiny, sour grapes little tattle-tale rather than be lumped in with you.

Reported.

(01-03-2016 06:23 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

Reported.