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Big Ten had 6 teams win 10 or more games this year. Impressive.
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Yes, they are the 'It' conference in this current time frame..
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Of course 3 of those 6 in bowl games lost by 38, 39, and down 35 (in 2nd quarter).
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(01-01-2016 06:17 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Of course 3 of those 6 in bowl games lost by 38, 39, and down 35 (in 2nd quarter).

Well, there is that. 03-lmfao

Not that the ACC, outside of Clemson, has been impressive either.

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Think of it this way: Opponents 76 (and counting) Big 10 Divisional Champs 0.

We have a thread on the main board asking if the AAC had the worst bowl day ever?

Well in less than 24 hours the two Big 10 division Champs are suffering what I think would be classified as a much worse fate.

Well a fumbled punt snap and an inept Iowa gets a 3 point gift:
Opponents 76 (and counting) Big 10 Divisional Champs 3.

BTW there is a good chance that Stanford may equal Alabama's feat. Alabama had more points than Michigan State had in yards rushing. Stanford is close to accomplishing the same.
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(01-01-2016 07:11 PM)omniorange Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 06:17 PM)CollegeCard Wrote:  Of course 3 of those 6 in bowl games lost by 38, 39, and down 35 (in 2nd quarter).

Well, there is that. 03-lmfao

Not that the ACC, outside of Clemson, has been impressive either.

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True. We have the quite impressive win over Oklahoma. Then we're left with wins over Texas A&M (not great but solid enough), Indiana (hey, it's a P5 win), and Tulsa (mediocre G5).

Most of the losses involved horrific defensive performances. We have a 6 point loss to Washington St, an 11 point loss to Baylor, a 14 point loss to Houston, a 16 point loss to Navy, and a 23 point loss to Miss St. Granted we played the two best G5's in the country but it certainly is not much to write home about.
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Big 10's losses are much worse. Miami lost to Washington St but had a fumble instead the 5 yard line and a horrific halfback pass play call from winning that game. Even in our game against Baylor, they had a ginormous amount of rushing yards but we still were a fumble into the end zone away from a one possession game. I'm still mad about that one.
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There needs to be more regular season match ups between the B1G and ACC.
4-7 ACC vs SEC and 4 B1G games.
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Big Ten and ACC played 7 times this season. Is that not enough?
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(01-01-2016 08:31 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big Ten and ACC played 7 times this season. Is that not enough?

The ACC also played 7 regular season games against the SEC and 6 against Notre Dame. I figured that would put the ACC near the top of P5 opponents played per team, but it didn't. We are third among P5's in that category at 9.5 P5 opponents per team. The PAC had the most, at 9.9 followed by the Big 12 at 9.8. The Big Ten was close behind the ACC at 9.4 and the SEC brings up the rear at 8.9.

Interestingly, despite a gaudy 39-5 record against G5 and FCS opponents, the SEC still only has 3 teams with 10 or more wins (with a chance for one more if Georgia beats Penn State today). I don't know if that says more about the strength of the other 10 SEC teams or the suckitude of the other 8 B1G teams. I don't know, but I can guess.
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(01-02-2016 12:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 08:31 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big Ten and ACC played 7 times this season. Is that not enough?

The ACC also played 7 regular season games against the SEC and 6 against Notre Dame. I figured that would put the ACC near the top of P5 opponents played per team, but it didn't. We are third among P5's in that category at 9.5 P5 opponents per team. The PAC had the most, at 9.9 followed by the Big 12 at 9.8. The Big Ten was close behind the ACC at 9.4 and the SEC brings up the rear at 8.9.

Interestingly, despite a gaudy 39-5 record against G5 and FCS opponents, the SEC still only has 3 teams with 10 or more wins (with a chance for one more if Georgia beats Penn State today). I don't know if that says more about the strength of the other 10 SEC teams or the suckitude of the other 8 B1G teams. I don't know, but I can guess.

Big 12 and Pac 12 play 9 conference games. They will always be well above so that's not really comparing apples to apples. Now when the P5 mandates hit, then everything levels off.
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(01-02-2016 12:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 12:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 08:31 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big Ten and ACC played 7 times this season. Is that not enough?

The ACC also played 7 regular season games against the SEC and 6 against Notre Dame. I figured that would put the ACC near the top of P5 opponents played per team, but it didn't. We are third among P5's in that category at 9.5 P5 opponents per team. The PAC had the most, at 9.9 followed by the Big 12 at 9.8. The Big Ten was close behind the ACC at 9.4 and the SEC brings up the rear at 8.9.

Interestingly, despite a gaudy 39-5 record against G5 and FCS opponents, the SEC still only has 3 teams with 10 or more wins (with a chance for one more if Georgia beats Penn State today). I don't know if that says more about the strength of the other 10 SEC teams or the suckitude of the other 8 B1G teams. I don't know, but I can guess.

Big 12 and Pac 12 play 9 conference games. They will always be well above so that's not really comparing apples to apples. Now when the P5 mandates hit, then everything levels off.

The way I see it, not giving those conferences credit for having an extra conference game is what isn't comparing apples to apples. Especially when the best the PAC and B12 can do in those additional conference games is .500. Like it or not, at the end of the season what we rank teams by has more to do with how many losses they have than how many quality opponents they faced. If PAC teams have an average of 1/2 more losses per team than a league that feasts on the Sunbelt and CUSA, that's not apples to apples.
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(01-02-2016 01:15 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 12:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 12:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 08:31 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big Ten and ACC played 7 times this season. Is that not enough?

The ACC also played 7 regular season games against the SEC and 6 against Notre Dame. I figured that would put the ACC near the top of P5 opponents played per team, but it didn't. We are third among P5's in that category at 9.5 P5 opponents per team. The PAC had the most, at 9.9 followed by the Big 12 at 9.8. The Big Ten was close behind the ACC at 9.4 and the SEC brings up the rear at 8.9.

Interestingly, despite a gaudy 39-5 record against G5 and FCS opponents, the SEC still only has 3 teams with 10 or more wins (with a chance for one more if Georgia beats Penn State today). I don't know if that says more about the strength of the other 10 SEC teams or the suckitude of the other 8 B1G teams. I don't know, but I can guess.

Big 12 and Pac 12 play 9 conference games. They will always be well above so that's not really comparing apples to apples. Now when the P5 mandates hit, then everything levels off.

The way I see it, not giving those conferences credit for having an extra conference game is what isn't comparing apples to apples. Especially when the best the PAC and B12 can do in those additional conference games is .500. Like it or not, at the end of the season what we rank teams by has more to do with how many losses they have than how many quality opponents they faced. If PAC teams have an average of 1/2 more losses per team than a league that feasts on the Sunbelt and CUSA, that's not apples to apples.

Why should they get credit? I don't see how that's any different than FSU, Clemson, GT, or Louisville having to play 8 conference games plus an SEC rival. Now those teams will get that plus Notre Dame every three years.
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(01-02-2016 01:15 PM)ken d Wrote:  The way I see it, not giving those conferences credit for having an extra conference game is what isn't comparing apples to apples. Especially when the best the PAC and B12 can do in those additional conference games is .500. Like it or not, at the end of the season what we rank teams by has more to do with how many losses they have than how many quality opponents they faced. If PAC teams have an average of 1/2 more losses per team than a league that feasts on the Sunbelt and CUSA, that's not apples to apples.

It's been said a thousand times but some folks still don't get it - THIS is the reason why 8 ACC games + 2 P5 OOC is MUCH better than 9 ACC games + 1 P5 OOC game.
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(01-02-2016 01:21 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 01:15 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 12:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 12:37 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-01-2016 08:31 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Big Ten and ACC played 7 times this season. Is that not enough?

The ACC also played 7 regular season games against the SEC and 6 against Notre Dame. I figured that would put the ACC near the top of P5 opponents played per team, but it didn't. We are third among P5's in that category at 9.5 P5 opponents per team. The PAC had the most, at 9.9 followed by the Big 12 at 9.8. The Big Ten was close behind the ACC at 9.4 and the SEC brings up the rear at 8.9.

Interestingly, despite a gaudy 39-5 record against G5 and FCS opponents, the SEC still only has 3 teams with 10 or more wins (with a chance for one more if Georgia beats Penn State today). I don't know if that says more about the strength of the other 10 SEC teams or the suckitude of the other 8 B1G teams. I don't know, but I can guess.

Big 12 and Pac 12 play 9 conference games. They will always be well above so that's not really comparing apples to apples. Now when the P5 mandates hit, then everything levels off.

The way I see it, not giving those conferences credit for having an extra conference game is what isn't comparing apples to apples. Especially when the best the PAC and B12 can do in those additional conference games is .500. Like it or not, at the end of the season what we rank teams by has more to do with how many losses they have than how many quality opponents they faced. If PAC teams have an average of 1/2 more losses per team than a league that feasts on the Sunbelt and CUSA, that's not apples to apples.

Why should they get credit? I don't see how that's any different than FSU, Clemson, GT, or Louisville having to play 8 conference games plus an SEC rival. Now those teams will get that plus Notre Dame every three years.

It isn't any different (if those schools are playing not one, but two P5s OOC). That's my point. If they are legitimate P5 opponents, it doesn't matter if they are in conference or OOC. If anything, conference games are tougher to win because everybody is familiar with each other, and you don't get to cherry pick who you play.

There are legitimate reasons why both the Big 12 and PAC play 9 conference games. For the Big 12, it completes a round robin. For the PAC, it's pure geography. There isn't another P5 conference without traveling two timezones. It makes no sense to just compare OOC schedules. You have to compare the entire 12 game schedules to have any semblance of equity.
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(01-02-2016 04:23 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-02-2016 01:15 PM)ken d Wrote:  The way I see it, not giving those conferences credit for having an extra conference game is what isn't comparing apples to apples. Especially when the best the PAC and B12 can do in those additional conference games is .500. Like it or not, at the end of the season what we rank teams by has more to do with how many losses they have than how many quality opponents they faced. If PAC teams have an average of 1/2 more losses per team than a league that feasts on the Sunbelt and CUSA, that's not apples to apples.

It's been said a thousand times but some folks still don't get it - THIS is the reason why 8 ACC games + 2 P5 OOC is MUCH better than 9 ACC games + 1 P5 OOC game.

No matter how many times it is said, the biggest reason why 8 ACC games is better than 9 is because it ensures that every team plays the same number of league games on the road and at home. Another reason is that the better teams in the league can choose who they play for those two extra P5 games, and they can use them to strengthen their schedule. The weaker teams can also choose, and they can use those games to enhance their bowl prospects.

If you only get 3 OOC games, and you want to insure a 7 game home schedule, you can only choose one P5 opponent per year. For a number of schools, that is problematic. That's a downside in exchange for no discernible upside, since teams that want to play a ninth league member can always do so OOC.
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