I think Michigan State will be fine as long as they keep their coach. I'm not sure their record will reflect how good they actually are in the future with Michigan improving, Penn State climbing out of the cellar, and Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers trending upwards with either a bowl game or solid head coaching hires.

The Big Ten as a whole is trending upwards and that will usually hurt the school at the top and there isn't much higher that Michigan State can go. I mean they were third in the nation and loss to the second ranked team. I like their chances to keep winning Big Ten championships or to end up in New Year's Six bowls.

I think they should play up their history more they have six titles in football.
They are one of the few schools with basketball and football champions.

Dantonio likes to cry poor and were the underdog too much.
No one wins all the time but they should expect to .

Izzo has the right focus for their brand blue collar hard work.

(01-01-2016 10:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Same as we always have, an overhyped average team from the big ten

You are such a bad troll. Really, truly...it is hilarious that you have so much rep points. Whatever sub forum(s) you got it from must be truly horrible pits of stupidity.

Nah just an honest answer. Michigan State is considered an average team. Sorry if it hurts your feelings. They have won 4 outa their last 10 bowls and didnt belong on the field with bama. I answered the op.

Doesn't hurt my feelings. Once again you prove that you come from some kiddie forum. That isn't an honest answer and Michigan State's success are the facts in this conversation. Your attempt to state otherwise is pure propaganda from a Stockholm syndrome Memphis fan that has latched on to the SEC to fill his lack of having a Memphis football team worth following for so long.

You never answer anything, you just post nonsense.

(01-01-2016 11:02 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I think Michigan State will be fine as long as they keep their coach. I'm not sure their record will reflect how good they actually are in the future with Michigan improving, Penn State climbing out of the cellar, and Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers trending upwards with either a bowl game or solid head coaching hires.

The Big Ten as a whole is trending upwards and that will usually hurt the school at the top and there isn't much higher that Michigan State can go. I mean they were third in the nation and loss to the second ranked team. I like their chances to keep winning Big Ten championships or to end up in New Year's Six bowls.

Agree. Michigan State's football history/tradition/success and the fact that Dantonio is one heckuva coach and well respected should not impact their brand. I think Dantonio will be extra motivated to get better and improve the team after the humbling loss to Alabama. That is what good coaches do and I don't doubt that he will have them performing at a high clip next year and for year's to come. With all due respect, did anyone predict MSU would make it to the CFP this year?

Spent more time thinking about this. I think it isn't going to have a negative impact in recruiting, but it will prevent them from being able to flex their muscles as OSU, PSU and MI will be taking over the B1G East. They will still have a presence in MI, OH and Chicago for recruiting.

i think the bigger impact would be an Iowa win today in regards to recruiting.

Michigan State has had a strong decade under Dantonio. What has Michigan been doing the past decade?

And there is the answer to your question about "MSU's brand."

When UM reemerges, MSU immediately drops to 3rd in the Big Ten East. If PSU reemerges (and recruiting is indicating that it will), MSU then drops to 4th in the Big Ten East. And the fourth place team (in most years) in the Big Ten isn't in the top 25.

(01-01-2016 11:18 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Same as we always have, an overhyped average team from the big ten

You are such a bad troll. Really, truly...it is hilarious that you have so much rep points. Whatever sub forum(s) you got it from must be truly horrible pits of stupidity.

Nah just an honest answer. Michigan State is considered an average team. Sorry if it hurts your feelings. They have won 4 outa their last 10 bowls and didnt belong on the field with bama. I answered the op.

Doesn't hurt my feelings. Once again you prove that you come from some kiddie forum. That isn't an honest answer and Michigan State's success are the facts in this conversation. Your attempt to state otherwise is pure propaganda from a Stockholm syndrome Memphis fan that has latched on to the SEC to fill his lack of having a Memphis football team worth following for so long.

You never answer anything, you just post nonsense.

Lol

Memphis was 1-1 vs the SEC and finished 9-4

Michigan State big ten champs got obliteterated by the SEC champ.

Michigan State is considered historically average, not a football power. The op asked for an opinion. I simply have mine. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Attacking me doesnt change anything

(01-01-2016 12:06 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Michigan State really needs to get the big 10 to move Purdue to the east and MSU to the west. Having Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Ohio State in the same division is not a wise move for the big 10. Yet, I could believe Michigan is not in favor of letting MSU get such a spot in the west and won't vote for it. Also, Michigan state should fire their OC, he has been awful for awhile only to be bailed out by cook.

Rivalries are good. Their divisions are fine now.

(01-01-2016 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  My point is that, to me, there seems to be a double standard inn the overall different reaction between the ND/Alabama and MSU/Alabama results.

MSU lost by 38 and was shut out. ND lost by 28 and scored 14. The negative reaction towards ND was greater, in my opinion.

Why the different reactions? I don't know. I guess it is because ND is a polarizing program and Michigan State is not.

Otherwise, the airwaves and internet would be filled with comments like you highlighted in my post.

P.S. I don't share those highlighted sentiments, knowing after watching football for fifty years that one game bowl results are not the bellwether for evaluating a team's season.

Because Notre Dame was #1 and unbeaten and got dominated. Michigan St. was lower rated and an underdog.

(01-01-2016 10:38 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:36 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:32 AM)TerryD Wrote:  My point is that, to me, there seems to be a double standard inn the overall different reaction between the ND/Alabama and MSU/Alabama results.

MSU lost by 38 and was shut out. ND lost by 28 and scored 14.

Why the different reactions? I don't know. I guess it is because ND is a polarizing program and Michigan State is not.

Otherwise, the airwaves and internet would be filled with comments like you highlighted in my post.

P.S. I don't share those highlighted sentiments, knowing after watching football for fifty years that one game bowl results are not the bellwether for evaluating a team's season.

Terry, you know how it is. People are always looking for ways to attack Notre Dame. On the other hand, Dantonio and The Spartans are loved because of their underdog nature.

I know how it is. I just wanted to point that out.

I remember no anti-LSU reaction when the Tigers lost the title game by 21 points to Alabama in 2011, were shut out and didn't cross mid-field even one time.

That's because hardly anyone was paying attention. The first game was boring. Not many people watched the 2nd.

(01-01-2016 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 11:18 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Same as we always have, an overhyped average team from the big ten

You are such a bad troll. Really, truly...it is hilarious that you have so much rep points. Whatever sub forum(s) you got it from must be truly horrible pits of stupidity.

Nah just an honest answer. Michigan State is considered an average team. Sorry if it hurts your feelings. They have won 4 outa their last 10 bowls and didnt belong on the field with bama. I answered the op.

Doesn't hurt my feelings. Once again you prove that you come from some kiddie forum. That isn't an honest answer and Michigan State's success are the facts in this conversation. Your attempt to state otherwise is pure propaganda from a Stockholm syndrome Memphis fan that has latched on to the SEC to fill his lack of having a Memphis football team worth following for so long.

You never answer anything, you just post nonsense.

Lol

Memphis was 1-1 vs the SEC and finished 9-4

Michigan State big ten champs got obliteterated by the SEC champ.

Michigan State is considered historically average, not a football power. The op asked for an opinion. I simply have mine. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Attacking me doesnt change anything

There you go with that "Feelings hurt" thing. Sorry but your truth isn't the truth, that is all. Sorry that you are unable to comprehend the truth as it is rather than your obscured Southern obscured perspective. I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that you are simply trying to project emotion upon me while at the same time trying to say I am attack me and that such a method of posting makes you a hypocrite.

That is not an attack, that is just the facts of the situation going on here.

You are welcome to your opinion of course, but your opinion is wrong and the actual facts of RESULTS show that without a shadow of a doubt.

(01-01-2016 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 11:18 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:34 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

You are such a bad troll. Really, truly...it is hilarious that you have so much rep points. Whatever sub forum(s) you got it from must be truly horrible pits of stupidity.

Nah just an honest answer. Michigan State is considered an average team. Sorry if it hurts your feelings. They have won 4 outa their last 10 bowls and didnt belong on the field with bama. I answered the op.

Doesn't hurt my feelings. Once again you prove that you come from some kiddie forum. That isn't an honest answer and Michigan State's success are the facts in this conversation. Your attempt to state otherwise is pure propaganda from a Stockholm syndrome Memphis fan that has latched on to the SEC to fill his lack of having a Memphis football team worth following for so long.

You never answer anything, you just post nonsense.

Lol

Memphis was 1-1 vs the SEC and finished 9-4

Michigan State big ten champs got obliteterated by the SEC champ.

Michigan State is considered historically average, not a football power. The op asked for an opinion. I simply have mine. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Attacking me doesnt change anything

There you go with that "Feelings hurt" thing. Sorry but your truth isn't the truth, that is all. Sorry that you are unable to comprehend the truth as it is rather than your obscured Southern obscured perspective. I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that you are simply trying to project emotion upon me while at the same time trying to say I am attack me and that such a method of posting makes you a hypocrite.

That is not an attack, that is just the facts of the situation going on here.

You are welcome to your opinion of course, but your opinion is wrong and the actual facts of RESULTS show that without a shadow of a doubt.

Lol

Michigan State will continue to be considered average.

Deal with it

(01-01-2016 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 11:18 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 10:47 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Nah just an honest answer. Michigan State is considered an average team. Sorry if it hurts your feelings. They have won 4 outa their last 10 bowls and didnt belong on the field with bama. I answered the op.

Doesn't hurt my feelings. Once again you prove that you come from some kiddie forum. That isn't an honest answer and Michigan State's success are the facts in this conversation. Your attempt to state otherwise is pure propaganda from a Stockholm syndrome Memphis fan that has latched on to the SEC to fill his lack of having a Memphis football team worth following for so long.

You never answer anything, you just post nonsense.

Lol

Memphis was 1-1 vs the SEC and finished 9-4

Michigan State big ten champs got obliteterated by the SEC champ.

Michigan State is considered historically average, not a football power. The op asked for an opinion. I simply have mine. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Attacking me doesnt change anything

There you go with that "Feelings hurt" thing. Sorry but your truth isn't the truth, that is all. Sorry that you are unable to comprehend the truth as it is rather than your obscured Southern obscured perspective. I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that you are simply trying to project emotion upon me while at the same time trying to say I am attack me and that such a method of posting makes you a hypocrite.

That is not an attack, that is just the facts of the situation going on here.

You are welcome to your opinion of course, but your opinion is wrong and the actual facts of RESULTS show that without a shadow of a doubt.

Lol

Michigan State will continue to be considered average.

Deal with it

No and the SEC will continue to be looked at as unexceptional despite the impressive victory by Alabama.

(01-01-2016 01:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 11:18 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Doesn't hurt my feelings. Once again you prove that you come from some kiddie forum. That isn't an honest answer and Michigan State's success are the facts in this conversation. Your attempt to state otherwise is pure propaganda from a Stockholm syndrome Memphis fan that has latched on to the SEC to fill his lack of having a Memphis football team worth following for so long.

You never answer anything, you just post nonsense.

Lol

Memphis was 1-1 vs the SEC and finished 9-4

Michigan State big ten champs got obliteterated by the SEC champ.

Michigan State is considered historically average, not a football power. The op asked for an opinion. I simply have mine. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Attacking me doesnt change anything

There you go with that "Feelings hurt" thing. Sorry but your truth isn't the truth, that is all. Sorry that you are unable to comprehend the truth as it is rather than your obscured Southern obscured perspective. I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that you are simply trying to project emotion upon me while at the same time trying to say I am attack me and that such a method of posting makes you a hypocrite.

That is not an attack, that is just the facts of the situation going on here.

You are welcome to your opinion of course, but your opinion is wrong and the actual facts of RESULTS show that without a shadow of a doubt.

Lol

Michigan State will continue to be considered average.

Deal with it

No and the SEC will continue to be looked at as unexceptional despite the impressive victory by Alabama.

You do realize that teams from the state of Alabama have won more national championships than the big ten or any other conference in the last 10 years

Bwahahaha

(01-01-2016 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:19 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Lol

Memphis was 1-1 vs the SEC and finished 9-4

Michigan State big ten champs got obliteterated by the SEC champ.

Michigan State is considered historically average, not a football power. The op asked for an opinion. I simply have mine. Sorry it hurts your feelings.

Attacking me doesnt change anything

There you go with that "Feelings hurt" thing. Sorry but your truth isn't the truth, that is all. Sorry that you are unable to comprehend the truth as it is rather than your obscured Southern obscured perspective. I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that you are simply trying to project emotion upon me while at the same time trying to say I am attack me and that such a method of posting makes you a hypocrite.

That is not an attack, that is just the facts of the situation going on here.

You are welcome to your opinion of course, but your opinion is wrong and the actual facts of RESULTS show that without a shadow of a doubt.

Lol

Michigan State will continue to be considered average.

Deal with it

No and the SEC will continue to be looked at as unexceptional despite the impressive victory by Alabama.

You do realize that teams from the state of Alabama have won more national championships than the big ten or any other conference in the last 10 years

Bwahahaha

My bad, I forgot that the entirety of the SEC is in Alabama.

You do realize that putting "bwahahaha" at the end of your post only solidifies my earlier point that you generally exist on the kiddie sub forums of this site?

(01-01-2016 01:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:16 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 01:01 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-01-2016 12:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  There you go with that "Feelings hurt" thing. Sorry but your truth isn't the truth, that is all. Sorry that you are unable to comprehend the truth as it is rather than your obscured Southern obscured perspective. I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend that you are simply trying to project emotion upon me while at the same time trying to say I am attack me and that such a method of posting makes you a hypocrite.

That is not an attack, that is just the facts of the situation going on here.

You are welcome to your opinion of course, but your opinion is wrong and the actual facts of RESULTS show that without a shadow of a doubt.

Lol

Michigan State will continue to be considered average.

Deal with it

No and the SEC will continue to be looked at as unexceptional despite the impressive victory by Alabama.

You do realize that teams from the state of Alabama have won more national championships than the big ten or any other conference in the last 10 years

Bwahahaha

My bad, I forgot that the entirety of the SEC is in Alabama.

You do realize that putting "bwahahaha" at the end of your post only solidifies my earlier point that you generally exist on the kiddie sub forums of this site?

Nah the entirety of thr SEC is not in Alabama but the big ten champion would usually rank 3rd place in the state of Alabama, much less the SEC.

Shere Khan vs. He1nousOne

The best matchup of the day.

The B1G brand took a step back, with that arse whooping Bama put on'em and definitely the Spartans brand took a hit.

I think MSU has a solid future, but if they want to contend for national titles they need to work on making their offense more dynamic. They don't need to go full out Big XII style, but playing Big Slow style keep away ball only works when your defense can hold up it's end of the bargain so there is no margin of error or else you get avalanched like they did last night.

This should serve as Dantonio's wake-up call just like the 70-33 Orange Bowl was Dabo's.

It will be interesting to see if the loss of Narduzzi has a long term effect. Sometimes it takes a few years for staff changes like that to show up on the field as more of the players they were responsible for recruiting and developing graduate and leave the program.

Personally, I tend to agree that Michigan State has seen the high tide for their program as Michigan regains their former status.