(01-03-2016 11:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hum, so the ACC gets a network & Texas as a partial along with Baylor & UConn. Looks interesting on the surface, something to ponder for sure. Question though, if this is a P4 then won't the CFP be a champs only model? Wouldn't ND & Texas both have to be full members to have a shot at the CFP?

Lenville I think they should have to agree to 6 ACC games. They would play the 4 attached to the division I assigned them in my scenario and rotate 2 others. Win the division they are attached to and they are in the semi finals for the Conference Championship. And yes we move to a champs only model. Also if N.D. or Texas makes it into the CFP through the ACC they would have to share all revenue generated equally for being the ACC representative. I might add all major bowl money as well. But I'm not so sure H1's model will fly. OU will want OSU with them because otherwise they have to choose between Bedlam and the Texas game annually as OOC games. That's why I think there is a good chance they both get into the SEC. So read through and look over all of the scenarios. But as with all realignment this is just speculation based upon rumor.

(01-03-2016 11:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hum, so the ACC gets a network & Texas as a partial along with Baylor & UConn. Looks interesting on the surface, something to ponder for sure. Question though, if this is a P4 then won't the CFP be a champs only model? Wouldn't ND & Texas both have to be full members to have a shot at the CFP?

Six team tournament with the four champs, the AAC champ and then one at large. The At Large bid exists for Texas and Notre Dame to have a chance as well as to be able to say that "everyone has a chance".

The AAC will be newly expanded in my opinion, probably to 20 teams. Five teams per division and only a 7 game conference schedule which allows each team more flexibility with their ooc schedule.

(01-04-2016 01:45 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hum, so the ACC gets a network & Texas as a partial along with Baylor & UConn. Looks interesting on the surface, something to ponder for sure. Question though, if this is a P4 then won't the CFP be a champs only model? Wouldn't ND & Texas both have to be full members to have a shot at the CFP?

Six team tournament with the four champs, the AAC champ and then one at large. The At Large bid exists for Texas and Notre Dame to have a chance as well as to be able to say that "everyone has a chance".

The AAC will be newly expanded in my opinion, probably to 20 teams. Five teams per division and only a 7 game conference schedule which allows each team more flexibility with their ooc schedule.

It will be another 8 years before the CFP contract is up for renewal. The 4 team playoff is locked until then. The blowouts in the semis this year doesn't bode well for expanding it. They will be able to expand conference playoffs however with some revisions this Spring if the consolidation occurs. So we are going to have a 4 champs model for about 8 years before we can move to 6, if at all.

(01-04-2016 05:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hum, so the ACC gets a network & Texas as a partial along with Baylor & UConn. Looks interesting on the surface, something to ponder for sure. Question though, if this is a P4 then won't the CFP be a champs only model? Wouldn't ND & Texas both have to be full members to have a shot at the CFP?

Six team tournament with the four champs, the AAC champ and then one at large. The At Large bid exists for Texas and Notre Dame to have a chance as well as to be able to say that "everyone has a chance".

The AAC will be newly expanded in my opinion, probably to 20 teams. Five teams per division and only a 7 game conference schedule which allows each team more flexibility with their ooc schedule.

It will be another 8 years before the CFP contract is up for renewal. The 4 team playoff is locked until then. The blowouts in the semis this year doesn't bode well for expanding it. They will be able to expand conference playoffs however with some revisions this Spring if the consolidation occurs. So we are going to have a 4 champs model for about 8 years before we can move to 6, if at all.

Nothing is locked in a contract if all parties come to an agreement to amend it.

(01-04-2016 07:39 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 05:24 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:45 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hum, so the ACC gets a network & Texas as a partial along with Baylor & UConn. Looks interesting on the surface, something to ponder for sure. Question though, if this is a P4 then won't the CFP be a champs only model? Wouldn't ND & Texas both have to be full members to have a shot at the CFP?

Six team tournament with the four champs, the AAC champ and then one at large. The At Large bid exists for Texas and Notre Dame to have a chance as well as to be able to say that "everyone has a chance".

The AAC will be newly expanded in my opinion, probably to 20 teams. Five teams per division and only a 7 game conference schedule which allows each team more flexibility with their ooc schedule.

It will be another 8 years before the CFP contract is up for renewal. The 4 team playoff is locked until then. The blowouts in the semis this year doesn't bode well for expanding it. They will be able to expand conference playoffs however with some revisions this Spring if the consolidation occurs. So we are going to have a 4 champs model for about 8 years before we can move to 6, if at all.

Nothing is locked in a contract if all parties come to an agreement to amend it.

H1, why even move to a P4 if you're going to have a 6 team playoff? You can still have "everyone has chance" mantra like today by making conference champions "preferred". If the top G5 champion is ranked higher then a P4 champ then they get in.

Oklahoma & Oklahoma St is tough to predict. I can see both the SEC & B1G being very attractive to them. Placing the other pieces will be easier once we know where they are going. I do see them moving together to preserve the rivalry.

What would be interesting is what if they decide to go to the PAC? A PAC division of Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TT, TCU, Iowa St & Kansas State is intriguing. They would miss out on reconnecting with Nebraska or A&M so I don't see it likely but possible. The domino effect could put Kansas & UCONN in the B1G & have Houston taking UCONN place in the ACC or have the ACC stopping at 16, leaving out Cincinnati & Houston from my scenario a couple posts ago. Then again if Texas & ND are partial like JR suggest I can see Cincinnati & Houston in the ACC.

(01-04-2016 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 11:31 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Hum, so the ACC gets a network & Texas as a partial along with Baylor & UConn. Looks interesting on the surface, something to ponder for sure. Question though, if this is a P4 then won't the CFP be a champs only model? Wouldn't ND & Texas both have to be full members to have a shot at the CFP?

Lenville I think they should have to agree to 6 ACC games. They would play the 4 attached to the division I assigned them in my scenario and rotate 2 others. Win the division they are attached to and they are in the semi finals for the Conference Championship. And yes we move to a champs only model. Also if N.D. or Texas makes it into the CFP through the ACC they would have to share all revenue generated equally for being the ACC representative. I might add all major bowl money as well. But I'm not so sure H1's model will fly. OU will want OSU with them because otherwise they have to choose between Bedlam and the Texas game annually as OOC games. That's why I think there is a good chance they both get into the SEC. So read through and look over all of the scenarios. But as with all realignment this is just speculation based upon rumor.

Of course you do realize that the simplest way to solve the Bedlam/RRS dilemma is for all three to move to the same conference. That way those games would be guaranteed forever (or the life of the conference). And he only conference that could accommodate all three (plus one more) is the PAC (unless you move the SEC/B1G to 18 or have Oklahoma and Texas be 15 & 16 for the B1G or SEC).
Logic would tell you that at least two of thee schools would have to be in the same conference to avoid overloading their out of conference schedules.
If you were to follow Occam's razor......................

(01-04-2016 10:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville I think they should have to agree to 6 ACC games. They would play the 4 attached to the division I assigned them in my scenario and rotate 2 others. Win the division they are attached to and they are in the semi finals for the Conference Championship. And yes we move to a champs only model. Also if N.D. or Texas makes it into the CFP through the ACC they would have to share all revenue generated equally for being the ACC representative. I might add all major bowl money as well. But I'm not so sure H1's model will fly. OU will want OSU with them because otherwise they have to choose between Bedlam and the Texas game annually as OOC games. That's why I think there is a good chance they both get into the SEC. So read through and look over all of the scenarios. But as with all realignment this is just speculation based upon rumor.

Of course you do realize that the simplest way to solve the Bedlam/RRS dilemma is for all three to move to the same conference. That way those games would be guaranteed forever (or the life of the conference). And he only conference that could accommodate all three (plus one more) is the PAC (unless you move the SEC/B1G to 18 or have Oklahoma and Texas be 15 & 16 for the B1G or SEC).
Logic would tell you that at least two of thee schools would have to be in the same conference to avoid overloading their out of conference schedules.
If you were to follow Occam's razor......................

The only issue with that is that those schools aren't going to make as much money in the PAC.

(01-04-2016 01:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 10:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville I think they should have to agree to 6 ACC games. They would play the 4 attached to the division I assigned them in my scenario and rotate 2 others. Win the division they are attached to and they are in the semi finals for the Conference Championship. And yes we move to a champs only model. Also if N.D. or Texas makes it into the CFP through the ACC they would have to share all revenue generated equally for being the ACC representative. I might add all major bowl money as well. But I'm not so sure H1's model will fly. OU will want OSU with them because otherwise they have to choose between Bedlam and the Texas game annually as OOC games. That's why I think there is a good chance they both get into the SEC. So read through and look over all of the scenarios. But as with all realignment this is just speculation based upon rumor.

Of course you do realize that the simplest way to solve the Bedlam/RRS dilemma is for all three to move to the same conference. That way those games would be guaranteed forever (or the life of the conference). And he only conference that could accommodate all three (plus one more) is the PAC (unless you move the SEC/B1G to 18 or have Oklahoma and Texas be 15 & 16 for the B1G or SEC).
Logic would tell you that at least two of thee schools would have to be in the same conference to avoid overloading their out of conference schedules.
If you were to follow Occam's razor......................

The only issue with that is that those schools aren't going to make as much money in the PAC.

In the end, when things get settled into a P4, the money for all of the P4 schools will even out. It may never be equal but it will be close enough that it won't be an issue for anybody.

Allow me to theorize a little...

The B1G and the SEC are the two strongest leagues here so they have the greatest leverage to demand quality programs from a brokering. If the ACC is getting Texas, UConn, and a network then that should be enough to increase their value.

The ACC gets UConn, Houston, Cincinnati, and a partial membership from Texas.

The PAC gets TT, TCU, OSU, and KSU

The B1G gets KU, ISU, VT, and Colorado State

The SEC gets OU, Baylor, WVU, and BYU

I know it's crazy in some respects, but that's what I specialize in. Both the B1G and the SEC are taking programs they don't necessarily want in order to gain access to programs they really do desire. Forming into 18 team leagues allows for the conference semi-final, but with the added bonus of having a spot for a wildcard.

Delaney allegedly wants access to the Denver market and CSU gives him that without going too far outside of the geographic footprint. It's not really a strong program, but has some potential with the right exposure. KU and VT and very desirable brands while ISU is an AAU school. ISU is obviously redundant in a small market, but is the price of brokering.

For the SEC, they get OU and an increased presence in TX. Baylor offers another opportunity for games in TX, but not much other than that. WVU is not that strong of an addition, but they do offer some exposure in the Mid-Atlantic. BYU is a geographical outlier. I honestly couldn't think of a better option though if the league needs to take 4 in a scenario like that. They offer exposure in the West where the SEC is lacking, but the price is increased travel. I don't think it would be that bad though as most of their games would be against a 6 team Western division.

The ACC replaces a member they never really wanted, but secures more value in return especially by being given a network.

The PAC does well to capture 4 new markets and a couple of brands that could really make some noise in the future in TCU and OSU.

(01-03-2016 10:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, so here it is, as I have been prognosticating for a couple years now I think.


There are some conferences that prefer expansion via The ACC but that didn't work out. The best option for everyone is expansion via the dissolution of the big 12. We move to four conferences of 16 which have conference tournaments of their own instead of just championship games.

I will simply put down the structure, we can go further into details after that should it not be understood or some wish to debate it.


I see Texas moving to The ACC with a similar deal as Notre Dame. The two schools have become thick as thieves and that is a rather new development. I feel that has come from them sharing some mutual feelings about their futures, mutual feelings that very few others agree upon. I believe that belief is that their schools are capable of making it into the post season based upon their brands alone and they don't need a conference championship title in the same way that most others do. Sure, others probably could do the same but currently it is only Notre Dame that is the major challenge to the norm. I think Texas would prefer schedule flexibility instead of the usual conference route.

So, eventually Texas agrees to move to the ACC with a partial deal similar to Notre Dame. The LHN turns into The ACC Network as Disney wont allow a new Network to be launched but rebranding a mediocre property and turning it into something that will be more profitable would not just be allowed but would be appreciated by Disney. Texas receives special considerations for their programming on The ACC Network and they get a protected yearly match up against Baylor, whom comes with them to the ACC. In return for that they sign a 6 game deal with the ACC, one more than what Notre Dame signed as Notre Dame turned down a similar deal in return for protected match ups against Boston College and Pittsburgh.

As stated above, Baylor comes with them but UConn slides into the ACC as well as ESPN doesn't do the ACC Network deal unless The ACC agrees to take in UConn which is a huge boon for ESPN in the State where ESPN is headquartered.

Oklahoma goes against some of the popular belief and chooses The Big Ten instead of The SEC. Personally, I don't think The SEC will shed a tear over this. The SEC is already top heavy with brands. You add a brand of the stature of Oklahoma and who knows how much worse the hierarchy chaos in The SEC gets.

Kansas joins Oklahoma in The Big Ten

The SEC doesn't need major brands, on the contrary they need role players that help fill out particular divisions so that other major brands in the SEC can get their just due that they havnt been given in the past. I am talking about Tennessee and LSU. That should become more clear when I lay out the conference and divisional blueprints. Thus Oklahoma State and West Virginia are admitted into the SEC.

The PAC receives into their somewhat open arms the schools of TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State.

Thus, with everyone being assured a landing spot, they all begrudgingly agree to cast yes votes for conference dissolution. If they don't then they are all on their own when the GoR runs out. The window for this offer will be very limited. I am of the opinion that these agreements will have to be made privately before the Rules Committee meets. The Big Ten negotiation window is upon us as well.

I don't particularly love your plan H1, but what it does better than any other suggestion is provide a reasonable solution to the B12 problem. It's the perfect compromise in that every conference has to swallow a bitter pill in order to reap to future CFP rewards.

(01-03-2016 10:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, so here it is, as I have been prognosticating for a couple years now I think.


There are some conferences that prefer expansion via The ACC but that didn't work out. The best option for everyone is expansion via the dissolution of the big 12. We move to four conferences of 16 which have conference tournaments of their own instead of just championship games.

I will simply put down the structure, we can go further into details after that should it not be understood or some wish to debate it.


I see Texas moving to The ACC with a similar deal as Notre Dame. The two schools have become thick as thieves and that is a rather new development. I feel that has come from them sharing some mutual feelings about their futures, mutual feelings that very few others agree upon. I believe that belief is that their schools are capable of making it into the post season based upon their brands alone and they don't need a conference championship title in the same way that most others do. Sure, others probably could do the same but currently it is only Notre Dame that is the major challenge to the norm. I think Texas would prefer schedule flexibility instead of the usual conference route.

So, eventually Texas agrees to move to the ACC with a partial deal similar to Notre Dame. The LHN turns into The ACC Network as Disney wont allow a new Network to be launched but rebranding a mediocre property and turning it into something that will be more profitable would not just be allowed but would be appreciated by Disney. Texas receives special considerations for their programming on The ACC Network and they get a protected yearly match up against Baylor, whom comes with them to the ACC. In return for that they sign a 6 game deal with the ACC, one more than what Notre Dame signed as Notre Dame turned down a similar deal in return for protected match ups against Boston College and Pittsburgh.

As stated above, Baylor comes with them but UConn slides into the ACC as well as ESPN doesn't do the ACC Network deal unless The ACC agrees to take in UConn which is a huge boon for ESPN in the State where ESPN is headquartered.

Oklahoma goes against some of the popular belief and chooses The Big Ten instead of The SEC. Personally, I don't think The SEC will shed a tear over this. The SEC is already top heavy with brands. You add a brand of the stature of Oklahoma and who knows how much worse the hierarchy chaos in The SEC gets.

Kansas joins Oklahoma in The Big Ten

The SEC doesn't need major brands, on the contrary they need role players that help fill out particular divisions so that other major brands in the SEC can get their just due that they havnt been given in the past. I am talking about Tennessee and LSU. That should become more clear when I lay out the conference and divisional blueprints. Thus Oklahoma State and West Virginia are admitted into the SEC.

The PAC receives into their somewhat open arms the schools of TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State.

Thus, with everyone being assured a landing spot, they all begrudgingly agree to cast yes votes for conference dissolution. If they don't then they are all on their own when the GoR runs out. The window for this offer will be very limited. I am of the opinion that these agreements will have to be made privately before the Rules Committee meets. The Big Ten negotiation window is upon us as well.



So here are the line ups, starting with your SEC first.


The SEC
East
Florida
Georgia
Auburn
South Carolina

Central
Alabama
Ole Miss
Miss State
Vanderbilt

West
LSU
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Oklahoma State

North
Tennessee
Missouri
Kentucky
West Virginia

This finally allows Tennessee to be the brand it should be within The SEC. It also helps out the most Northern programs by giving them their own route to the SEC Tournament which should help some in recruiting.


The Big Ten
North
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue

East
Ohio State
Penn State
Maryland
Rutgers

Central
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Northwestern
Illinois

West
Oklahoma
Nebraska
Iowa
Kansas

This gives a boost to Big Ten football as well as a boost to Big Ten basketball as they wish to keep pace with The ACC which will be garnering three more strong basketball brands in Texas, UConn and Baylor.


The PAC
West
USC
UCLA
Stanford
California

North
Oregon
Washington
Washington State
Oregon State

Central
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado

East
TCU
Texas Tech
Kansas State
Iowa State



The ACC
South
Florida State
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest

Central
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Duke

North
Miami
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn

West
Virginia Tech
Baylor
Louisville
Pitt

Yes, there are a few kinks in the ACC set up but that is The ACC, they will get over it. It's much better than their current problems.

Football aside, the ACC would have an incredible Olympic Sports Conference.

How would that scheduling work? Would Hockey be added?

I'd pay for the Network just for the olympic sports.

(01-04-2016 03:16 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:41 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 10:18 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 01:13 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Lenville I think they should have to agree to 6 ACC games. They would play the 4 attached to the division I assigned them in my scenario and rotate 2 others. Win the division they are attached to and they are in the semi finals for the Conference Championship. And yes we move to a champs only model. Also if N.D. or Texas makes it into the CFP through the ACC they would have to share all revenue generated equally for being the ACC representative. I might add all major bowl money as well. But I'm not so sure H1's model will fly. OU will want OSU with them because otherwise they have to choose between Bedlam and the Texas game annually as OOC games. That's why I think there is a good chance they both get into the SEC. So read through and look over all of the scenarios. But as with all realignment this is just speculation based upon rumor.

Of course you do realize that the simplest way to solve the Bedlam/RRS dilemma is for all three to move to the same conference. That way those games would be guaranteed forever (or the life of the conference). And he only conference that could accommodate all three (plus one more) is the PAC (unless you move the SEC/B1G to 18 or have Oklahoma and Texas be 15 & 16 for the B1G or SEC).
Logic would tell you that at least two of thee schools would have to be in the same conference to avoid overloading their out of conference schedules.
If you were to follow Occam's razor......................

The only issue with that is that those schools aren't going to make as much money in the PAC.

In the end, when things get settled into a P4, the money for all of the P4 schools will even out. It may never be equal but it will be close enough that it won't be an issue for anybody.

Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & West Virginia to the SEC
Missouri & Kansas to the Big 10.
Connecticut & Notre Dame to the ACC as a full members.
Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U. and Texas Tech to the PAC.

That's the simplest way to end this. It preserves all of Texas's existing rivalries and Oklahoma's. It covers West Virginia & Baylor who won't get in otherwise. The ACC loses nobody. Nobody but Big 12 schools move. Baylor & West Virginia & Oklahoma State is the price of Texas and Oklahoma.

SEC:
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia
Central: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M
West: Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas

ACC:
Connecticut, Boston College, Notre Dame, Syracuse
Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami

Big 10:
Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Nobody is out. Connecticut is in. The ACC maintains academic integrity. We move to champs only. SEC Network shifts to Dallas. Charlotte becomes ACCN. Big 10 earns more with less. SEC earns more with more. L.S.U. gets out from under Bama's shadow. Missouri gets the Big 10. The ACC essentially only adds UConn but with a network, F.S.U. gets their favorite kind of division out of it. We move to a P4 Champs only model. Finis.

(01-04-2016 03:56 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, so here it is, as I have been prognosticating for a couple years now I think.


There are some conferences that prefer expansion via The ACC but that didn't work out. The best option for everyone is expansion via the dissolution of the big 12. We move to four conferences of 16 which have conference tournaments of their own instead of just championship games.

I will simply put down the structure, we can go further into details after that should it not be understood or some wish to debate it.


I see Texas moving to The ACC with a similar deal as Notre Dame. The two schools have become thick as thieves and that is a rather new development. I feel that has come from them sharing some mutual feelings about their futures, mutual feelings that very few others agree upon. I believe that belief is that their schools are capable of making it into the post season based upon their brands alone and they don't need a conference championship title in the same way that most others do. Sure, others probably could do the same but currently it is only Notre Dame that is the major challenge to the norm. I think Texas would prefer schedule flexibility instead of the usual conference route.

So, eventually Texas agrees to move to the ACC with a partial deal similar to Notre Dame. The LHN turns into The ACC Network as Disney wont allow a new Network to be launched but rebranding a mediocre property and turning it into something that will be more profitable would not just be allowed but would be appreciated by Disney. Texas receives special considerations for their programming on The ACC Network and they get a protected yearly match up against Baylor, whom comes with them to the ACC. In return for that they sign a 6 game deal with the ACC, one more than what Notre Dame signed as Notre Dame turned down a similar deal in return for protected match ups against Boston College and Pittsburgh.

As stated above, Baylor comes with them but UConn slides into the ACC as well as ESPN doesn't do the ACC Network deal unless The ACC agrees to take in UConn which is a huge boon for ESPN in the State where ESPN is headquartered.

Oklahoma goes against some of the popular belief and chooses The Big Ten instead of The SEC. Personally, I don't think The SEC will shed a tear over this. The SEC is already top heavy with brands. You add a brand of the stature of Oklahoma and who knows how much worse the hierarchy chaos in The SEC gets.

Kansas joins Oklahoma in The Big Ten

The SEC doesn't need major brands, on the contrary they need role players that help fill out particular divisions so that other major brands in the SEC can get their just due that they havnt been given in the past. I am talking about Tennessee and LSU. That should become more clear when I lay out the conference and divisional blueprints. Thus Oklahoma State and West Virginia are admitted into the SEC.

The PAC receives into their somewhat open arms the schools of TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State.

Thus, with everyone being assured a landing spot, they all begrudgingly agree to cast yes votes for conference dissolution. If they don't then they are all on their own when the GoR runs out. The window for this offer will be very limited. I am of the opinion that these agreements will have to be made privately before the Rules Committee meets. The Big Ten negotiation window is upon us as well.

I don't particularly love your plan H1, but what it does better than any other suggestion is provide a reasonable solution to the B12 problem. It's the perfect compromise in that every conference has to swallow a bitter pill in order to reap to future CFP rewards.

Smart guy, you understand the basis of this plan perfectly. It isn't about giving anyone more benefit than anyone else. It is about a solution that could actually happen. Solving the big 12 problem has to start from within not from without. It isn't ideal for any other conferences but going forward with this allows for new infrastructures to be put in place that absolutely make this plan optimal in comparison to remaining with five major conferences.

(01-04-2016 06:03 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 03:56 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(01-03-2016 10:09 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, so here it is, as I have been prognosticating for a couple years now I think.


There are some conferences that prefer expansion via The ACC but that didn't work out. The best option for everyone is expansion via the dissolution of the big 12. We move to four conferences of 16 which have conference tournaments of their own instead of just championship games.

I will simply put down the structure, we can go further into details after that should it not be understood or some wish to debate it.


I see Texas moving to The ACC with a similar deal as Notre Dame. The two schools have become thick as thieves and that is a rather new development. I feel that has come from them sharing some mutual feelings about their futures, mutual feelings that very few others agree upon. I believe that belief is that their schools are capable of making it into the post season based upon their brands alone and they don't need a conference championship title in the same way that most others do. Sure, others probably could do the same but currently it is only Notre Dame that is the major challenge to the norm. I think Texas would prefer schedule flexibility instead of the usual conference route.

So, eventually Texas agrees to move to the ACC with a partial deal similar to Notre Dame. The LHN turns into The ACC Network as Disney wont allow a new Network to be launched but rebranding a mediocre property and turning it into something that will be more profitable would not just be allowed but would be appreciated by Disney. Texas receives special considerations for their programming on The ACC Network and they get a protected yearly match up against Baylor, whom comes with them to the ACC. In return for that they sign a 6 game deal with the ACC, one more than what Notre Dame signed as Notre Dame turned down a similar deal in return for protected match ups against Boston College and Pittsburgh.

As stated above, Baylor comes with them but UConn slides into the ACC as well as ESPN doesn't do the ACC Network deal unless The ACC agrees to take in UConn which is a huge boon for ESPN in the State where ESPN is headquartered.

Oklahoma goes against some of the popular belief and chooses The Big Ten instead of The SEC. Personally, I don't think The SEC will shed a tear over this. The SEC is already top heavy with brands. You add a brand of the stature of Oklahoma and who knows how much worse the hierarchy chaos in The SEC gets.

Kansas joins Oklahoma in The Big Ten

The SEC doesn't need major brands, on the contrary they need role players that help fill out particular divisions so that other major brands in the SEC can get their just due that they havnt been given in the past. I am talking about Tennessee and LSU. That should become more clear when I lay out the conference and divisional blueprints. Thus Oklahoma State and West Virginia are admitted into the SEC.

The PAC receives into their somewhat open arms the schools of TCU, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Iowa State.

Thus, with everyone being assured a landing spot, they all begrudgingly agree to cast yes votes for conference dissolution. If they don't then they are all on their own when the GoR runs out. The window for this offer will be very limited. I am of the opinion that these agreements will have to be made privately before the Rules Committee meets. The Big Ten negotiation window is upon us as well.

I don't particularly love your plan H1, but what it does better than any other suggestion is provide a reasonable solution to the B12 problem. It's the perfect compromise in that every conference has to swallow a bitter pill in order to reap to future CFP rewards.

Smart guy, you understand the basis of this plan perfectly. It isn't about giving anyone more benefit than anyone else. It is about a solution that could actually happen. Solving the big 12 problem has to start from within not from without. It isn't ideal for any other conferences but going forward with this allows for new infrastructures to be put in place that absolutely make this plan optimal in comparison to remaining with five major conferences.

Naturally I disagree. The way to solve this is to find a solution that appeases North Carolina, appeases Texas, gives Oklahoma access to their two most important rivals, and gives Notre Dame an offer they can't refuse.

No Texas pleases North Carolina. In fact no western schools pleases them even more. Their issue has been football first schools. Closing the monetary gap and providing a network would go a long way to salving those ill feelings by football first schools in the ACC. Not disrupting the status quo will go a long way to satisfying Chapel Hill. Therefore add UConn with the stipulation that it is indeed the only way you get a network. Use the network to leverage in Notre Dame. How? Give the Irish their pick of a game in a home & home series with the SEC which would now include Oklahoma & Texas to go along with Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Tennessee.

Keeping old friends around them pleases Texas. If they get to keep Oklahoma, regain Arkansas, regain A&M, and remain the queen bee of their own division with Baylor and L.S.U. there to fill out their division I think that is as good as it could be for their fans. Make their fans happy and fill their stadium and keep their buddies and they are more likely to accept.

Oklahoma just wants to keep OSU and Texas on the annual schedule.

L.S.U. would love to be out from under Bama in a division.

The ACC loses nobody that keeps them happy.
Connecticut gets a home which helps ESPN.
If Notre Dame has no other option they at least have a goodly number of schools in the ACC with whom they desire to keep company. Give them their choice of PAC & SEC schools to fill out their scheduling agenda and they essentially have what they want. Will the be totally happy, not even close. Is it better than all other alternatives, probably.

With Texas, Oklahoma and North Carolina appeased, ESPN taken care of, the SEC rewarded, and the Big 10 landing two AAU schools that help to balance their divisions what else could you want? And with all 10 Big 12 schools being placed it's imminently doable. Especially since 6 of them would be earning a lot more, and the other four safely in a P4 making slightly more as well.

To Dasville:

Scheduling for the conference in football would be that you would have your three games within the division every single year. That new reality turns those division games into big time rivalry games just like how we see in the smaller NFL divisions. These divisions will be even smaller than NFL divisions thus stronger rivalries as they battle each other every year for their division's spot in the conference tournament. If I was doing the scheduling I would put all three of those games at the very end of the conference schedule to further increase their value in a natural ramping up of the tone as we lead into the conference post season. Those last three to four weeks would be the division battles. It would be great for ratings and great for fans.

After those, you have two games a year against every other division. One would be a home game and one would be away thus limiting travel for the most part to just two away games of much distance at all within the conference. Some conferences might prefer being able to have some preserved cross rivalries between divisions some might not. If they don't then you play every single team in your 16 team conference within a two year period. That is awesome. Even if cross division permanent rivals are used, it is a three year period...no worse than what we have now with two divisions and 14 teams.

(01-04-2016 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & West Virginia to the SEC
Missouri & Kansas to the Big 10.
Connecticut & Notre Dame to the ACC as a full members.
Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U. and Texas Tech to the PAC.

That's the simplest way to end this. It preserves all of Texas's existing rivalries and Oklahoma's. It covers West Virginia & Baylor who won't get in otherwise. The ACC loses nobody. Nobody but Big 12 schools move. Baylor & West Virginia & Oklahoma State is the price of Texas and Oklahoma.

SEC:
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia
Central: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M
West: Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas

ACC:
Connecticut, Boston College, Notre Dame, Syracuse
Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami

Big 10:
Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Nobody is out. Connecticut is in. The ACC maintains academic integrity. We move to champs only. SEC Network shifts to Dallas. Charlotte becomes ACCN. Big 10 earns more with less. SEC earns more with more. L.S.U. gets out from under Bama's shadow. Missouri gets the Big 10. The ACC essentially only adds UConn but with a network, F.S.U. gets their favorite kind of division out of it. We move to a P4 Champs only model. Finis.

I've wanted to believe that Texas will join the SEC. It's still possible it will happen, but part of me says the quasi-independence deal they could get with the ACC makes the most sense. They don't have to capitulate to A&M or OU in any way. They get a more profitable network. They also get the freedom to play a few regional schools while possibly increasing their exposure nationally. They probably get an annual game with ND as well. It sounds like the sort of golden parachute that would stroke UT's ego perfectly.

How about this?

The B1G gets KU and VT

Texas gets an ND type deal with the ACC. UConn, Cincinnati, and Baylor also join up to make 16 full members.

The PAC gets TT, TCU, Houston, and ISU

The SEC gets OU, OSU, KSU, and WVU

All 10 Big 12 members are accounted for. Texas gets what they want. OU and OSU stay together. The B1G grows with a couple of strong brands. The PAC becomes relevant all over TX. The SEC takes a couple of lesser brands to finish things off.

SEC Divisions:

--Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Missouri, Arkansas
--LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
--Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia

(01-04-2016 06:31 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State & West Virginia to the SEC
Missouri & Kansas to the Big 10.
Connecticut & Notre Dame to the ACC as a full members.
Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U. and Texas Tech to the PAC.

That's the simplest way to end this. It preserves all of Texas's existing rivalries and Oklahoma's. It covers West Virginia & Baylor who won't get in otherwise. The ACC loses nobody. Nobody but Big 12 schools move. Baylor & West Virginia & Oklahoma State is the price of Texas and Oklahoma.

SEC:
East: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, West Virginia
Central: Alabama, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M
West: Arkansas, Baylor, Louisiana State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas

ACC:
Connecticut, Boston College, Notre Dame, Syracuse
Louisville, Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami

Big 10:
Maryland, Penn State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
Illinois, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

PAC:
Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
California, Cal Los Angeles, Southern Cal, Stanford
Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Iowa State, Kansas State, T.C.U., Texas Tech

Nobody is out. Connecticut is in. The ACC maintains academic integrity. We move to champs only. SEC Network shifts to Dallas. Charlotte becomes ACCN. Big 10 earns more with less. SEC earns more with more. L.S.U. gets out from under Bama's shadow. Missouri gets the Big 10. The ACC essentially only adds UConn but with a network, F.S.U. gets their favorite kind of division out of it. We move to a P4 Champs only model. Finis.

I've wanted to believe that Texas will join the SEC. It's still possible it will happen, but part of me says the quasi-independence deal they could get with the ACC makes the most sense. They don't have to capitulate to A&M or OU in any way. They get a more profitable network. They also get the freedom to play a few regional schools while possibly increasing their exposure nationally. They probably get an annual game with ND as well. It sounds like the sort of golden parachute that would stroke UT's ego perfectly.

How about this?

The B1G gets KU and VT

Texas gets an ND type deal with the ACC. UConn, Cincinnati, and Baylor also join up to make 16 full members.

The PAC gets TT, TCU, Houston, and ISU

The SEC gets OU, OSU, KSU, and WVU

All 10 Big 12 members are accounted for. Texas gets what they want. OU and OSU stay together. The B1G grows with a couple of strong brands. The PAC becomes relevant all over TX. The SEC takes a couple of lesser brands to finish things off.

SEC Divisions:

--Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Missouri, Arkansas
--LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
--Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia

That still works. I think it is a good fall back scenario should Texas find the allure of quasi independence to be too strong to resist. At least KState does add another market.

Through all of these scenarios none of them are perfect & they all have flaws. The SEC & B1G are going to butt heads & won't let the other have the perception of coming out ahead. Both are in strong positions so neither has to give. What are the guidelines that we need to follow to come up with an actual acceptable compromise that appeases everyone?

-The B1G & SEC have to come out even against each other. The SEC is the strongest football brand but the B1G is starting TV contract negotiations & if they aren't appeased then this wouldn't be done until after the GOR's expire. Waiting could potentially cost both conferences a lot of $.

-Oklahoma will need to move with either Texas or Oklahoma State to protect both of those rivalries. That could be a deal breaker for them.

-To help balance the conference payouts the ACC will need a network. The LHN seems to be the best alternative to make this happen. Does Texas have to be apart of the ACC to make that happen though? A solution could be for ESPN to buyout Texas & then convert the network into an ACCN, solving initial distribution problems.

-H1 makes a case to take care of UCONN. A healthy relationship between ESPN & the state could save them on taxes & such.

-Dissolving the Big 12 or the ACC. The predominant scenarios have the B12 dissolving. Texas & Oklahoma will need to be appeased. We can reasonably assume what Oklahoma wants but what does Texas want?

-The PAC may want an eastern expansion but are they needed? While I don't see them as being a strong power player in this but they could get a strong backing from Fox so they can't be ignored.

Am I on the right track? Any other factors?

(01-04-2016 08:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Through all of these scenarios none of them are perfect & they all have flaws. The SEC & B1G are going to butt heads & won't let the other have the perception of coming out ahead. Both are in strong positions so neither has to give. What are the guidelines that we need to follow to come up with an actual acceptable compromise that appeases everyone?

-The B1G & SEC have to come out even against each other. The SEC is the strongest football brand but the B1G is starting TV contract negotiations & if they aren't appeased then this wouldn't be done until after the GOR's expire. Waiting could potentially cost both conferences a lot of $.

-Oklahoma will need to move with either Texas or Oklahoma State to protect both of those rivalries. That could be a deal breaker for them.

-To help balance the conference payouts the ACC will need a network. The LHN seems to be the best alternative to make this happen. Does Texas have to be apart of the ACC to make that happen though? A solution could be for ESPN to buyout Texas & then convert the network into an ACCN, solving initial distribution problems.

-H1 makes a case to take care of UCONN. A healthy relationship between ESPN & the state could save them on taxes & such.

-Dissolving the Big 12 or the ACC. The predominant scenarios have the B12 dissolving. Texas & Oklahoma will need to be appeased. We can reasonably assume what Oklahoma wants but what does Texas want?

-The PAC may want an eastern expansion but are they needed? While I don't see them as being a strong power player in this but they could get a strong backing from Fox so they can't be ignored.

Am I on the right track? Any other factors?

Buying out the contract seems expensive, why not convert the LHN into an ACCN with minimum amount of money Texas would make equal to what the old contract payed.

(01-04-2016 09:11 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(01-04-2016 08:51 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Through all of these scenarios none of them are perfect & they all have flaws. The SEC & B1G are going to butt heads & won't let the other have the perception of coming out ahead. Both are in strong positions so neither has to give. What are the guidelines that we need to follow to come up with an actual acceptable compromise that appeases everyone?

-The B1G & SEC have to come out even against each other. The SEC is the strongest football brand but the B1G is starting TV contract negotiations & if they aren't appeased then this wouldn't be done until after the GOR's expire. Waiting could potentially cost both conferences a lot of $.

-Oklahoma will need to move with either Texas or Oklahoma State to protect both of those rivalries. That could be a deal breaker for them.

-To help balance the conference payouts the ACC will need a network. The LHN seems to be the best alternative to make this happen. Does Texas have to be apart of the ACC to make that happen though? A solution could be for ESPN to buyout Texas & then convert the network into an ACCN, solving initial distribution problems.

-H1 makes a case to take care of UCONN. A healthy relationship between ESPN & the state could save them on taxes & such.

-Dissolving the Big 12 or the ACC. The predominant scenarios have the B12 dissolving. Texas & Oklahoma will need to be appeased. We can reasonably assume what Oklahoma wants but what does Texas want?

-The PAC may want an eastern expansion but are they needed? While I don't see them as being a strong power player in this but they could get a strong backing from Fox so they can't be ignored.

Am I on the right track? Any other factors?

Buying out the contract seems expensive, why not convert the LHN into an ACCN with minimum amount of money Texas would make equal to what the old contract payed.

If not to the ACC Texas would join a conference that has a network & would have to give up the LHN anyway. Without knowing the details of the contract, I would assume a mutual separation would be done on the cheap. ESPN would own the network & convert it into anything they wish.