(12-29-2015 01:27 AM)7 Wrote: Teams lay down and get housed in bowl games every year. There doesn't need to be some grand investigation. **** happens. NIU got its doors blown off by TCU under Novak. Some team who I can't remember got their doors blown off last week.
Ole Miss got absolutely drubbed by TCU in a New Years six game last year. Motivation is always a huge factor in bowl games.
It's fine.
So do you also think OOC games are meaningless since winning them would just inflate a record leading to a meaningless bowl game and doesnt impact the road to the MACC? Or in your mind is it access bowl or bust?
Before the last few years when BCS bowls came into play, i always just hoped for .500 in OOC play. For example, I was more than pleased in 2010 when NIU went 2-2 OOC with a win over Minnesota. I don't want to say they were completely meaningless because you don't want to pull a WMU and go 1-3 or even 0-4 OOC and it's always cool to get a win over a BCS school, but yes relatively speaking before the Orange Bowl year OOC games were pretty meaningless.
And I think it's awesome the program has gotten to a point where OOC do mean something because of the access bowl. That doesn't mean you have to go competely insane and say people need to be fired when NIU isn't in the conversation for one.
(12-29-2015 01:35 AM)7 Wrote: Before the last few years when BCS bowls came into play, i always just hoped for .500 in OOC play. For example, I was more than pleased in 2010 when NIU went 2-2 OOC with a win over Minnesota. I don't want to say they were completely meaningless because you don't want to pull a WMU and go 1-3 or even 0-4 OOC and it's always cool to get a win over a BCS school, but yes relatively speaking before the Orange Bowl year OOC games were pretty meaningless.
And I think it's awesome the program has gotten to a point where OOC do mean something because of the access bowl. That doesn't mean you have to go competely insane and say people need to be fired when NIU isn't in the conversation for one.
Good grief. I'm glad you filled me in that there are games on NIU's schedule that are meaningless. I wish I would have known that a long time ago. That would have been useful information.
Huskie fans aren't clamoring for change because NIU played themselves out of the access bowl conversation. There is dissatisfaction because the NIU football program humiliated itself twice on national television in the post season. Furthermore, these embarrassing post season losses have now piled up under Coach Carey's helm.
There are a litany of excuses his defenders list; certainly some valid - yet the final taste that is left in our collective mouth is NIU gaining negative yards for an entire game after the first series. It is just inexplicable.
Nothing is fair in terms of high profile sports coaching jobs. Coaches get hired to get fired. Coach Carey initially had the program steamrolling forward, but now it seems like we have significantly regressed. It's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.
(12-28-2015 06:20 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote: Well no peep out of DeKalb today.
SF still assessing or no changes a-brew'n?
Is this a real thread? I'm not going to waste my time reading the whole thing. For those of you who think a coach or coaches will be fired, I'm not sure what to say. I'll just shake my head at the stupidity.
(12-29-2015 01:27 AM)7 Wrote: Teams lay down and get housed in bowl games every year. There doesn't need to be some grand investigation. **** happens. NIU got its doors blown off by TCU under Novak. Some team who I can't remember got their doors blown off last week.
Ole Miss got absolutely drubbed by TCU in a New Years six game last year. Motivation is always a huge factor in bowl games.
It's fine.
Not as bad as this. 600+ to 30, and 55-7 is not normal. Especially since they got blown out last year by Marshall, and the two times they faced BG with Matt Johnson they got blown out too - though this year they had Fiedler playing instead of Lynch.
(12-29-2015 01:35 AM)7 Wrote: Before the last few years when BCS bowls came into play, i always just hoped for .500 in OOC play. For example, I was more than pleased in 2010 when NIU went 2-2 OOC with a win over Minnesota. I don't want to say they were completely meaningless because you don't want to pull a WMU and go 1-3 or even 0-4 OOC and it's always cool to get a win over a BCS school, but yes relatively speaking before the Orange Bowl year OOC games were pretty meaningless.
And I think it's awesome the program has gotten to a point where OOC do mean something because of the access bowl. That doesn't mean you have to go competely insane and say people need to be fired when NIU isn't in the conversation for one.
Good grief. I'm glad you filled me in that there are games on NIU's schedule that are meaningless. I wish I would have known that a long time ago. That would have been useful information.
Huskie fans aren't clamoring for change because NIU played themselves out of the access bowl conversation. There is dissatisfaction because the NIU football program humiliated itself twice on national television in the post season. Furthermore, these embarrassing post season losses have now piled up under Coach Carey's helm.
There are a litany of excuses his defenders list; certainly some valid - yet the final taste that is left in our collective mouth is NIU gaining negative yards for an entire game after the first series. It is just inexplicable.
Nothing is fair in terms of high profile sports coaching jobs. Coaches get hired to get fired. Coach Carey initially had the program steamrolling forward, but now it seems like we have significantly regressed. It's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.
Well said and a legitimate critique, IMO. The Poinsettia Bowl performance was embarrassing and unacceptable.
The offensive struggles were somewhat understandable since we had a one-legged QB who couldn't step into his throws and our O-line got manhandled. Better playcalling was not going to fix those problems. What's harder to understand is the defense. They were nowhere to be found. Compare that performance to the Ohio State game and it's like two different teams.
(12-29-2015 10:49 AM)NIU1981 Wrote: The offensive struggles were somewhat understandable since we had a one-legged QB who couldn't step into his throws and our O-line got manhandled. Better playcalling was not going to fix those problems. What's harder to understand is the defense. They were nowhere to be found. Compare that performance to the Ohio State game and it's like two different teams.
When its 3 and out plus turnovers in your half of field, Defense was on the field a long time.
(12-29-2015 10:49 AM)NIU1981 Wrote: The offensive struggles were somewhat understandable since we had a one-legged QB who couldn't step into his throws and our O-line got manhandled. Better playcalling was not going to fix those problems. What's harder to understand is the defense. They were nowhere to be found. Compare that performance to the Ohio State game and it's like two different teams.
There was definitely something behind that Poinsettia Bowl loss. But what it is, I can only guess. That complete lack of performance is a total collapse like I have never seen before. Something was on their minds.
(12-29-2015 10:49 AM)NIU1981 Wrote: The offensive struggles were somewhat understandable since we had a one-legged QB who couldn't step into his throws and our O-line got manhandled. Better playcalling was not going to fix those problems. What's harder to understand is the defense. They were nowhere to be found. Compare that performance to the Ohio State game and it's like two different teams.
When its 3 and out plus turnovers in your half of field, Defense was on the field a long time.
No doubt but after just their first 17 plays Boise had 195 yards and three TDs. Fatigue was not an issue in the first quarter.
(12-29-2015 01:27 AM)7 Wrote: Teams lay down and get housed in bowl games every year. There doesn't need to be some grand investigation. **** happens. NIU got its doors blown off by TCU under Novak. Some team who I can't remember got their doors blown off last week.
Ole Miss got absolutely drubbed by TCU in a New Years six game last year. Motivation is always a huge factor in bowl games.
It's fine.
OU got blown out last year in a bowl against Clemson now they are playing Clemson in the playoffs. Don't know anyone who believes it's going to be a Clemson.blowout. $#it happens in bowl.season.
(12-29-2015 02:21 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote: Huskie fans aren't clamoring for change because NIU played themselves out of the access bowl conversation. There is dissatisfaction because the NIU football program humiliated itself twice on national television in the post season. Furthermore, these embarrassing post season losses have now piled up under Coach Carey's helm.
There are a litany of excuses his defenders list; certainly some valid - yet the final taste that is left in our collective mouth is NIU gaining negative yards for an entire game after the first series. It is just inexplicable.
Nothing is fair in terms of high profile sports coaching jobs. Coaches get hired to get fired. Coach Carey initially had the program steamrolling forward, but now it seems like we have significantly regressed. It's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.
(12-29-2015 02:21 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote: Huskie fans aren't clamoring for change because NIU played themselves out of the access bowl conversation. There is dissatisfaction because the NIU football program humiliated itself twice on national television in the post season. Furthermore, these embarrassing post season losses have now piled up under Coach Carey's helm.
There are a litany of excuses his defenders list; certainly some valid - yet the final taste that is left in our collective mouth is NIU gaining negative yards for an entire game after the first series. It is just inexplicable.
Nothing is fair in terms of high profile sports coaching jobs. Coaches get hired to get fired. Coach Carey initially had the program steamrolling forward, but now it seems like we have significantly regressed. It's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.
+1000 Well said
To paraphrase what has been said before, people want answers for what happened. To blame less talent in Orange Bowl, fine. 4th string qb does not equate to the pounding vs. Boise and past couple post seasons.
I think people, SF want accountability, not "we didn't execute, we need to play better, we need to coach better." That is every game the lose, sometimes when they win. Carey isn't going anywhere, but someone has to take a fall here. OC, line coach, waterboy, person in charge of hotdogs....whomever. But someone needs to go this time. That is what I think SF sees, what diehard fans see. This can't happen again.
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(12-29-2015 02:21 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote: Huskie fans aren't clamoring for change because NIU played themselves out of the access bowl conversation. There is dissatisfaction because the NIU football program humiliated itself twice on national television in the post season. Furthermore, these embarrassing post season losses have now piled up under Coach Carey's helm.
There are a litany of excuses his defenders list; certainly some valid - yet the final taste that is left in our collective mouth is NIU gaining negative yards for an entire game after the first series. It is just inexplicable.
Nothing is fair in terms of high profile sports coaching jobs. Coaches get hired to get fired. Coach Carey initially had the program steamrolling forward, but now it seems like we have significantly regressed. It's a "what have you done for me lately" mentality.
+1000 Well said
To paraphrase what has been said before, people want answers for what happened. To blame less talent in Orange Bowl, fine. 4th string qb does not equate to the pounding vs. Boise and past couple post seasons.
I think people, SF want accountability, not "we didn't execute, we need to play better, we need to coach better." That is every game the lose, sometimes when they win. Carey isn't going anywhere, but someone has to take a fall here. OC, line coach, waterboy, person in charge of hotdogs....whomever. But someone needs to go this time. That is what I think SF sees, what diehard fans see. This can't happen again.
SF and the MAC office worked hard and talked a good talk to get NIU matched up vs Marshall and Boise to showcase a MAC brand name, which we followed up by embarrassing ourselves and the conference. It goes without saying SF is upset.
(12-29-2015 01:15 AM)7 Wrote: They had -18 yards after the first drive. Nothing was working. No playcall is going to fix not being able to block and then having a QB with limited talent to begin with having an injury hamper him.
There was no good solution to that game. The offensive line should have played better, but to be honest other than a few games the offensive line just wasn't that good next year.
Does that excuse 600-30 in yards? No of course not. Like I said, Carey has to find a better way to motivate them for bowl games after losing the MACC. But that wasn't a problem with a system or playcalling as much as it was a combination of all sorts of bad things happening. It was a perfect storm of doodoo. Does Cole deserve some of the blame? Oh yeah. Everyone does when you get your doors blown off like that. Should he be fired for it? Of course not.
Well looks like he was fired bc of it, or kindly shown the door with a resignation letter.
