Which rating service do you think gives the best picture, overall? One of these, or something else?

RPI
SMU
Cincinnati
Tulsa
Temple
UConn
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida
Tulane

Kenpom
SMU
Cincinnati
UConn
Tulsa
Memphis
Temple
Houston
East Carolina
Central Florida
Tulane
South Florida

BPI
SMU
Cincinnati
UConn
Tulsa
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
Central Florida
Temple
Tulane
South Florida

SMU and Cincy are 1 and 2 across the board, but there are some pretty big differences with other teams. UConn is middle of the pack in the RPI but right behind Cincy in the other two. And Temple is all over the chart, from 4th all the way to 9th out of eleven.

Memphis is ranked, nationally, from 60th to 132nd by these three services.

Any chance our basketball conference, with a couple of Top 25 teams now, ends up with a similar reputation to our football conference at year end? SMU's not gonna help us out in March.

(12-28-2015 06:01 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Which rating service do you think gives the best picture, overall? One of these, or something else?

RPI
SMU
Cincinnati
Tulsa
Temple
UConn
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida
Tulane

Kenpom
SMU
Cincinnati
UConn
Tulsa
Memphis
Temple
Houston
East Carolina
Central Florida
Tulane
South Florida

BPI
SMU
Cincinnati
UConn
Tulsa
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
Central Florida
Temple
Tulane
South Florida

SMU and Cincy are 1 and 2 across the board, but there are some pretty big differences with other teams. UConn is middle of the pack in the RPI but right behind Cincy in the other two. And Temple is all over the chart, from 4th all the way to 9th out of eleven.

Memphis is ranked, nationally, from 60th to 132nd by these three services.

Any chance our basketball conference, with a couple of Top 25 teams now, ends up with a similar reputation to our football conference at year end? SMU's not gonna help us out in March.

Very little chance we get more than 3 teams in unless an underdog wins the AAC tournament.

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(12-28-2015 06:01 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Which rating service do you think gives the best picture, overall? One of these, or something else?

RPI
SMU
Cincinnati
Tulsa
Temple
UConn
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
South Florida
Central Florida
Tulane

Kenpom
SMU
Cincinnati
UConn
Tulsa
Memphis
Temple
Houston
East Carolina
Central Florida
Tulane
South Florida

BPI
SMU
Cincinnati
UConn
Tulsa
Memphis
Houston
East Carolina
Central Florida
Temple
Tulane
South Florida

SMU and Cincy are 1 and 2 across the board, but there are some pretty big differences with other teams. UConn is middle of the pack in the RPI but right behind Cincy in the other two. And Temple is all over the chart, from 4th all the way to 9th out of eleven.

Memphis is ranked, nationally, from 60th to 132nd by these three services.

Any chance our basketball conference, with a couple of Top 25 teams now, ends up with a similar reputation to our football conference at year end? SMU's not gonna help us out in March.

RPI is the only one that matters.

(12-28-2015 08:50 PM)SigEpMike Wrote:  RPI is the only one that matters.

Maybe in March for the dance (not even sure about that), but is it the best indicator -- let's say today -- of where teams are or how they stack up against each other? RPI takes a while to shake out.

Is Temple better than UConn or worse than Central Florida? That's what I'm talking about. Which one is the best predictor, or is there something better? I've always kinda favored Kenpom, but ESPN is big on their BPI. Hard for me to believe UConn is middle of the AAC pack.

(12-28-2015 07:05 PM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Opened thread.
Saw it was basketball.
Left thread.

No you didn't

They all have pluses and minuses. RPI is good for measuring SOS, but that's about all I get. KenPom is great for stats analysis, but Pomeroy himself says they are not true rankings. BPI is probably the most balanced of the 3.

I like to take a composite look, using these 3 plus the polls and Sagarin.

Of course, this time of year there is still a lot of pre-season bias built into the calculations. They really start truing up towards the end of January after a round of conference games have been played.

(12-28-2015 11:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  They all have pluses and minuses. RPI is good for measuring SOS, but that's about all I get. KenPom is great for stats analysis, but Pomeroy himself says they are not true rankings. BPI is probably the most balanced of the 3.

I like to take a composite look, using these 3 plus the polls and Sagarin.

Of course, this time of year there is still a lot of pre-season bias built into the calculations. They really start truing up towards the end of January after a round of conference games have been played.

Just look at Temple. That gives you a good indicator of what you're dealing with. Like you said, RPI heavily weighs SOS, which Temple has in spades. They've played 3 ranked teams, but lost all 3 (two of them within 6 points, though.)

But with losses to Wisconsin and St. Joe (by a point in OT), they're at 5-5, although none of those losses are bad losses. St. Joe is 9-2 with one of their 2 losses to #8 Nova. They're no slouch.

So when Temple gets into conference play, my guess is they'll be much better than the .500 team they are now. RPI flows with that logic, but the BPI says "ya lost."

(12-28-2015 11:53 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 11:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  They all have pluses and minuses. RPI is good for measuring SOS, but that's about all I get. KenPom is great for stats analysis, but Pomeroy himself says they are not true rankings. BPI is probably the most balanced of the 3.

I like to take a composite look, using these 3 plus the polls and Sagarin.

Of course, this time of year there is still a lot of pre-season bias built into the calculations. They really start truing up towards the end of January after a round of conference games have been played.

Just look at Temple. That gives you a good indicator of what you're dealing with. Like you said, RPI heavily weighs SOS, which Temple has in spades. They've played 3 ranked teams, but lost all 3 (two of them within 6 points, though.)

But with losses to Wisconsin and St. Joe (by a point in OT), they're at 5-5, although none of those losses are bad losses. St. Joe is 9-2 with one of their 2 losses to #8 Nova. They're no slouch.

So when Temple gets into conference play, my guess is they'll be much better than the .500 team they are now. RPI flows with that logic, but the BPI says "ya lost."

RPI doesn't care how much you lost by...That is the issue with that metric.

So even if Temple had lost all of those games by 50 points each they would still have the same RPI ranking.

RPI is really only reliable from an SOS perspective BUT I'm pretty sure the Tournament Committee uses it, as I think the NCAA developed the RPI formula for its (non-football) sports to aid tournament committees.

They claim they don't use rpi yet they always seem to bring up top 50 rpi wins. Sounds like they want their cake and eat it too.

Looks like we stink at all 3.

Everybody held seed except Cincinnati in all three systems, so far. But the best "miss" would have to be the RPI's #4 > #2. Kenpom had their #6 > #2, and the BPI had to deal with their #9 pick beating their #2 -- not a good start.

SMU got the best win (#1 > #3 or #4) except for Temple's upset, obviously. Memphis and Houston didn't do anything to write home about -- just got a W instead of a bad loss like Cincy.

Cronin is not happy -- calling his team out for not being tough. Probably not the way Huggins would've phrased it, and that might have something to do with it, too. Their D looked like ours in the Birmingham Bowl second half.