(12-29-2015 09:46 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:18 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  As for the FAU performance, the argument you could have made for the guy but won't because it invalidates your approach to the Boise game, if a passing D is THAT good, the corners had something to do with keeping the other team from passing down the field, interceptions or not. You've seen teams avoid throwing to areas covered by certain DBs, limit their offense right? Does the debate need to be any deeper than that?

It's a debate, so yes it needs to be deeper than that if you want to win the debate. You don't win debates by giving quick, vague responses and leaving it at that.

So if Toledo has a good defense next year are you going to say it's because of Watson or because of Heacock, assuming he stays? Or is it because of the players? Or because of Candle? Or someone else?

Look, there are many things that go into the game of football. It's a complex sport and it's very complex to coach. I never knew how complex it was until I started coaching, and I'm talking about middle schoolers and early high schoolers, not college football.

Maybe I'm not as quick to put a football coach down because I know about 10% of what it's like to be a coach. Who knows?

NIU'S defense was solid all season through their game in the Glass Bowl. Since the research I undertake for my preview articles of teams with upcoming games against the Rockets stops after they play, I won't comment further. I will repeat what I wrote about NIU losses; do not blame the defense.

(12-29-2015 09:46 AM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:18 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  As for the FAU performance, the argument you could have made for the guy but won't because it invalidates your approach to the Boise game, if a passing D is THAT good, the corners had something to do with keeping the other team from passing down the field, interceptions or not. You've seen teams avoid throwing to areas covered by certain DBs, limit their offense right? Does the debate need to be any deeper than that?

It's a debate, so yes it needs to be deeper than that if you want to win the debate. You don't win debates by giving quick, vague responses and leaving it at that.

So if Toledo has a good defense next year are you going to say it's because of Watson or because of Heacock, assuming he stays? Or is it because of the players? Or because of Candle? Or someone else?

Look, there are many things that go into the game of football. It's a complex sport and it's very complex to coach. I never knew how complex it was until I started coaching, and I'm talking about middle schoolers and early high schoolers, not college football.

Maybe I'm not as quick to put a football coach down because I know about 10% of what it's like to be a coach. Who knows?

Basing an opinion upon observed performance is fair game I think. We all get judged in our jobs that way, unless we're related, good buddies with the boss, whatever.

Of these hires, there doesn't seem to be a ton of experience or exactly high performance but there are plenty of previously held relationships and I'm going to bet significant salary jumps. Reality or appearance or misconception? Most of the world has to earn those jumps. It's not supposed to be one buddy makes good and puts everyone else on the gravy train, certainly not in the public sector.

I realize that's going to be judged an extremely cynical look at the process that's been occurring since Campbell left but I believe it's pretty consistent with the look this process would be getting in most any other line of public work, isn't it? And what I'd bet many here would find disagreeable, their later success would in no way vindicate the process. It's conflicting because obviously I want to program to excel but not by any means.

Since Beckman, the AD has made a clear hiring statement of expediency and convenience that perpetuates who is and who will never be a candidate for hire by the University. If you're not in the "in" crowd, you're not even invited to the talk. That's wrong on many levels not the least of which is social. Candle leaves, then next MU man up? Success of that D3 program is not pertinent. That's an extremely narrow list of social demographics being given fair opportunity to be HC of any university, let alone an urban university.

[social outrage] You can play for us but don't get your hopes up working for us. [\social outrage]

That's going to get noticed and it probably should get noticed. It absolutely should be part of the conversation.

What am I missing?

So you're real beef is that Candle is hiring "buddies" and not that Watson did a bad job of coaching LB's at NIU..........am I close?

I get the perception of hiring "buddies". Especially at the non P5 level, you are going to see that perception play out a lot. It has a lot to do with money available to spend on coaches and familiarity with guys you want to bring onto your staff. Right or wrong, I won't get into.

This makes more sense though. It's a beef against who Candle is hiring rather than whether or not the guy can really coach. Let's face it. No UT fan knows enough about the coaches on the NIU staff to know who is good and who is bad. All we know is that they have beat Toledo 6 straight times and played in the MAC Championship game 6 straight times.

(12-29-2015 04:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  So you're real beef is that Candle is hiring "buddies" and not that Watson did a bad job of coaching LB's at NIU..........am I close?

Nope.

Can't see any reason both hiring process and performance could not be considered pertinent and I never claimed he did a "bad job" coaching LBs. The other simply has more social implications.

You argued he wasn't responsible for NIU's defensive performance, that's the part where we disagreed. Since we didn't agree on his responsibilities, discussion of his performance is only muddled.

So, I'm not sure at all how you evaluated this as a good hire if evaluating it a bad hire is not a possible outcome of your evaluation process?

(12-29-2015 04:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  So you're real beef is that Candle is hiring "buddies" and not that Watson did a bad job of coaching LB's at NIU..........am I close?

I get the perception of hiring "buddies". Especially at the non P5 level, you are going to see that perception play out a lot. It has a lot to do with money available to spend on coaches and familiarity with guys you want to bring onto your staff. Right or wrong, I won't get into.

This makes more sense though. It's a beef against who Candle is hiring rather than whether or not the guy can really coach. Let's face it. No UT fan knows enough about the coaches on the NIU staff to know who is good and who is bad. All we know is that they have beat Toledo 6 straight times and played in the MAC Championship game 6 straight times.

Don't waste your time with him. It's like talking to a brick wall.

(12-29-2015 05:31 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  So you're real beef is that Candle is hiring "buddies" and not that Watson did a bad job of coaching LB's at NIU..........am I close?

I get the perception of hiring "buddies". Especially at the non P5 level, you are going to see that perception play out a lot. It has a lot to do with money available to spend on coaches and familiarity with guys you want to bring onto your staff. Right or wrong, I won't get into.

This makes more sense though. It's a beef against who Candle is hiring rather than whether or not the guy can really coach. Let's face it. No UT fan knows enough about the coaches on the NIU staff to know who is good and who is bad. All we know is that they have beat Toledo 6 straight times and played in the MAC Championship game 6 straight times.

Don't waste your time with him. It's like talking to a brick wall.

You haven't followed Brian's posts much have you?

(12-29-2015 04:58 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  So you're real beef is that Candle is hiring "buddies" and not that Watson did a bad job of coaching LB's at NIU..........am I close?

Nope.

Can't see any reason both hiring process and performance could not be considered pertinent and I never claimed he did a "bad job" coaching LBs. The other simply has more social implications.

You argued he wasn't responsible for NIU's defensive performance, that's the part where we disagreed. Since we didn't agree on his responsibilities, discussion of his performance is only muddled.

So, I'm not sure at all how you evaluated this as a good hire if evaluating it a bad hire is not a possible outcome of your evaluation process?

I didn't evaluate it as a good hire. Don't believe you will find anywhere where I said that. I just said you can't blame the LB coach for what happened in NIU's bowl game. I also stated that I don't know enough about him to know how good of a job he did at coaching LB's at NIU.

(12-29-2015 06:26 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 05:31 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 04:52 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  So you're real beef is that Candle is hiring "buddies" and not that Watson did a bad job of coaching LB's at NIU..........am I close?

I get the perception of hiring "buddies". Especially at the non P5 level, you are going to see that perception play out a lot. It has a lot to do with money available to spend on coaches and familiarity with guys you want to bring onto your staff. Right or wrong, I won't get into.

This makes more sense though. It's a beef against who Candle is hiring rather than whether or not the guy can really coach. Let's face it. No UT fan knows enough about the coaches on the NIU staff to know who is good and who is bad. All we know is that they have beat Toledo 6 straight times and played in the MAC Championship game 6 straight times.

Don't waste your time with him. It's like talking to a brick wall.

You haven't followed Brian's posts much have you?

NIU's defensive coordinator just left for same position at Rutgers. One game doesn't make or break a coach.

So now it's been said niu is losing its OC. Is this someone we would want? They always seem to score more points than us. But I m not sure I'd be willing to bring him on board?

Sounds like some of the wheels are coming off NIU's football program or, at the least, coming loose.

(01-02-2016 11:24 AM)NewMex RocketFan Wrote:  Sounds like some of the wheels are coming off NIU's football program or, at the least, coming loose.

Given the unrest and program losses there, I predict we lose by even fewer points at a later point in the game next year!