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And this is just one more reason why...
These refugees get no sympathy from me

While I disagree with the article using the term "bleeding heart liberals" for the couple... this is when you say not just "no", but "hell no".

Quote:The New Observer reports that the good Samaritans’ tolerance was used by the refugees to chase them from their own farm, which has already been destroyed by the ungrateful migrants.

Last week, the Muslims attacked the Wartnabys home in the wee hours of the morning and warned that they would kill Andrew if the pair didn’t leave the property. They claimed that the white couple was “not helping them to be relocated back home or to another country,” and that it was the pair’s responsibility to provide more money, passports, and transportation.

“I immediately asked if everyone is okay but they kept shouting that tonight was my night and they will kill me. I haven’t slept since then,” Andrew said.

“When we took everyone in, we said we would try and help, which we have. But they feel like it has been too long and we let them down. I have asked that group to leave my farm, but they refuse to and to be honest, I don’t know what is going to happen. All I know is that I don’t want to be murdered tonight.”

The Muslim migrants cut down the fence, smashed the house’s windows, and broke down the doors to drive out the Wartnabys at 2 a.m. The dangerous refugees are still in control of the farm, and the couple remains in hiding, fearing for their lives from the very people they were selflessly helping.

And you wonder why some of us say "no" to these refugees??
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Mad Magazine?
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(12-28-2015 11:29 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Mad Magazine?

Nope "mad world news"... it's not a parody site GSU, as much as people would _HOPE_ it was.... (and the article has a link to the NewObserver webpage, which had the original stories, including the "pro-couple" story and then this follow up one)

News24 site
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(12-28-2015 11:30 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(12-28-2015 11:29 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Mad Magazine?

Nope "mad world news"... it's not a parody site GSU, as much as people would _HOPE_ it was.... (and the article has a link to the NewObserver webpage, which had the original stories, including the "pro-couple" story and then this follow up one)

News24 site


Thanks for that. It would be a lot easier to take some folks seriously if they weren't so damn mad all the time.
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(12-29-2015 11:14 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  
(12-28-2015 11:30 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(12-28-2015 11:29 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  Mad Magazine?

Nope "mad world news"... it's not a parody site GSU, as much as people would _HOPE_ it was.... (and the article has a link to the NewObserver webpage, which had the original stories, including the "pro-couple" story and then this follow up one)

News24 site


Thanks for that. It would be a lot easier to take some folks seriously if they weren't so damn mad all the time.

That site is incendiary trash. There's not even evidence that the refugees were muslim and the facts of the events are wildly distorted.
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Classic fear mongering....this article/website is pathetic lol.
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(12-29-2015 12:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Classic fear mongering....this article/website is pathetic lol.

Are you serious? Way to contribute or debunk the website, which is a South African site that is relatively credible. But go ahead and be the ******* you are.
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(12-29-2015 12:51 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(12-29-2015 12:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Classic fear mongering....this article/website is pathetic lol.

Are you serious? Way to contribute or debunk the website, which is a South African site that is relatively credible. But go ahead and be the ******* you are.

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(12-29-2015 12:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Classic fear mongering....this article/website is pathetic lol.

again, dog pound... read the links in the article... instead of just seeing what the title of the article is. (heck, I even said I didn't like the opening statement of the original article.).

The article points out TWO other ...Oh noes.,. corroborating news websites in which links were -included- in the article.
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(12-29-2015 12:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Classic fear mongering....this article/website is pathetic lol.
Can The Murder Of South African Whites Be Called Genocide?
Genocide Watch, a respected left-leaning international watchdog group, says many “Marxist Racist” black South African politicians are engaged in polarizing society against white people. The watchdog group notes that this is the final step before actual preparations are made to carry out mass murder.

In May of 2013, BBC published a shocking article about white people in South Africa. They said “some of its white communities face a level of deprivation, or of violence, which threatens their future in the country.” The BBC article went on to say “working-class white people, most of them Afrikaans-speakers, are going through an intense crisis. But you will not read about it in the newspapers or see it reported on television.”

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/14/c...-genocide/

Since 1994, more than 70000 (and
counting) white South Africans have been
murdered
of which more than 4000 were
commercial farmers. Exact figures are very
hard to come by as the South African
police fail to report most of the murders
that take place. These numbers are thus
conservatively estimated.
As the white population of South Africa was 4 434 697 according to the official state census in
1996, and more than 400 000 white South Africans have left the country, it could be estimated
that nearly 2% of white South Africans have been murdered in the 18 years of democracy.
Compare that to the 7518 black people that were murdered by the Apartheid government,
which comes to a percentage of 0.02% of the black population. (And no, you can't compare
people killed by the security forces with people killed by civilians, but I'm sure that if you look up
white on black civilian murders during Apartheid, it would still be very low indeed.)
There were roughly 128 000 commercial farmers in South Africa in 1980. Today there are 40
000 commercial farmers left in South Africa.
Since 1994, more than 4000 farmers have been murdered and many more maimed, tortured,
http://www.genocidewatch.org/images/Whit...de_TVA.pdf

In South Africa, violence in the big cities like Pretoria, Johannesburg or Cape Town often makes the front pages of the newspapers, but crime that is terrorising countryside communities is being ignored.

Statistics even show that it is rural areas that are often the worst affected in South Africa. Since the beginning of the year, 160 farms have been attacked, nearly one per day.

Beyond the individual tragedies, these figures also raise the issue of race in a society that is still struggling to turn the page on apartheid.

Our reporters criss-crossed the plains of South Africa to meet some of the farming communities living in fear.
http://www.france24.com/en/20151002-vide...risk-crime

Farm work is South Africa's 'most dangerous occupation
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ation.html

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(12-29-2015 02:26 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(12-29-2015 12:45 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  Classic fear mongering....this article/website is pathetic lol.

again, dog pound... read the links in the article... instead of just seeing what the title of the article is. (heck, I even said I didn't like the opening statement of the original article.).

The article points out TWO other ...Oh noes.,. corroborating news websites in which links were -included- in the article.

Mad World News Reports:

"After escaping Islamic brutality in the Central African Republic, the Muslim migrants traveled to South Africa"

According to the Farmer's Blog:

"There are 138 people. 66 are children between 0 and 18 years. They are all from Burundi or the Democratic Republic of Congo"

http://farmingwithgodandalargefamily.blogspot.co.za/2015/10/we-have-village.html

Also from the blog:

"Our day starts early with transporting people to hospitals, clinics, doctors and Home Affairs.
Then school starts with praise and worship in our lounge or in the outside room. Little children worshiping Jesus despite the hardships they face."

Central African Republic has a much larger Muslim population than the other two. Refugees fleeing from those countries are likely fleeing ethnic persecution. And are likely Christian.

From an article in the Christian Science Monitor regarding these farmers and the refugees:

“We’re so grateful to be here, but we still know South Africa isn’t a place where we can make our lives,” says Mr. Nshimirimana, who fled Burundi after watching his Tutsi father murdered for having married his Hutu mother.

For him, South Africa was supposed to be a place where he could start over. And for a time it was. He got his refugee papers, married a Congolese woman from his church, and found work as a driver for a local pizza chain."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/20...o-migrants


So an article warning against the dangers of taking in Muslim refugees uses an example of Christian refugees turning violent. Now let's look at the incident itself.

Per the Mad World News:

"The Muslim migrants cut down the fence, smashed the house’s windows, and broke down the doors to drive out the Wartnabys at 2 a.m. The dangerous refugees are still in control of the farm, and the couple remains in hiding, fearing for their lives from the very people they were selflessly helping."

Per the farmer via News24 (that the Mad World News includes an excerpt from but not the link)"

At around 02:15 on Thursday morning, the breakaway group started banging on his windows and his wife and children left the property for their own safety.

"I asked them what was wrong and they said that the tent was burning. It hit me then that I had seen them earlier taking in things into the tent, but it never occurred to me that they were going to burn it down.

"They told me that their lives were in danger and that I had failed to protect them."


http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/N...isapp=true

So knocking on the doors and windows becomes smashing windows and breaking down doors. Like I said your site is ****.
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I give the family credit, but I love how you clipped some key parts of the article out of your news24 reclipping mturn... or do you not want to show off the part that changes the story?

Quote:"The parents were screaming that we had ruined their lives and threatened to kill us, but we did not take them seriously. We, however, later called the police."

So the family thought it was bluster (which they want to believe in the good of people) at first.. but apparently stuff has changed.

Quote:"They have had an agenda from day one and this is the reason why the government failed to assist them. You cannot turn to me for help, then you threaten my life and that of my family.

"I am not going to help them anymore. The accommodation is burnt and my fence is cut.

I stand by my original statement, if it were me and I had the choice of giving them a place to stay or telling them they're not staying on my property... sorry, but they have to go find somewhere else to stay
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(12-29-2015 04:51 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  I give the family credit, but I love how you clipped some key parts of the article out of your news24 reclipping mturn... or do you not want to show off the part that changes the story?

Quote:"The parents were screaming that we had ruined their lives and threatened to kill us, but we did not take them seriously. We, however, later called the police."

So the family thought it was bluster (which they want to believe in the good of people) at first.. but apparently stuff has changed.

Quote:"They have had an agenda from day one and this is the reason why the government failed to assist them. You cannot turn to me for help, then you threaten my life and that of my family.

"I am not going to help them anymore. The accommodation is burnt and my fence is cut.

I stand by my original statement, if it were me and I had the choice of giving them a place to stay or telling them they're not staying on my property... sorry, but they have to go find somewhere else to stay

I was just trying to point out the blatant misrepresentation from the site you linked. There were threats made, this group certainly seems like ungrateful ***** from everything I read and I agree that they deserve the boot. The owner seems to think that the threats were empty and made to force the government to arrest or recamp them. They rightly took precautions though. A portion of the refugees were very grateful though and have been working to better thier situation. The article you posted made it sound like a group of Muslim refugees were brought in by "leftists" (whatever that means in this situation) and then chased the out of thier home with torches in thier hands. I'm divided in my feelings regarding the U.S. taking in refugees but I'm 100% certain that flaming articles like this doesn't help the national conversation at all.
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