With our head coach leaving for i$u there had has been talk on various threads about the Big 12. This article talks about its future. Toledo is not mentioned as a candidate for membership.
http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-confere...68401.html

Interesting article.

The title game will really determine if they expand or not.

A Cinci move has me thinking someone from the MAC gets poached.

(12-28-2015 10:05 AM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  With our head coach leaving for i$u there had has been talk on various threads about the Big 12. This article talks about its future. Toledo is not mentioned as a candidate for membership.
http://www.campusrush.com/big-12-confere...68401.html

Houston was a previous member of the Southwest conference with Texas, Teaxas A & M, Arkansas, etc. and will likely get into Big 12 with their upgraded program and new stadium. My money is on BYU and UH

Think the Texas schools would allow Houston in?

(12-28-2015 02:02 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Houston was a previous member of the Southwest conference with Texas, Teaxas A & M, Arkansas, etc. and will likely get into Big 12 with their upgraded program and new stadium. My money is on BYU and UH

I think they will be forced to let them in. The city of Houston is a huge addition for the BIG 12 !!!!!!

(12-28-2015 02:53 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Think the Texas schools would allow Houston in?

(12-28-2015 02:02 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Houston was a previous member of the Southwest conference with Texas, Teaxas A & M, Arkansas, etc. and will likely get into Big 12 with their upgraded program and new stadium. My money is on BYU and UH

(12-28-2015 03:27 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  I think they will be forced to let them in. The city of Houston is a huge addition for the BIG 12 !!!!!!

The article clearly stated that the Texas schools would block Houston from joining.

A few key aspects of a school that would be added (if any) are football reputation/tradition, fan support, and facilities. That is why UC & BYU are the "leading candidates", even though they are semi weak candidates. UC has mortgaged their athletic future to renovate/expand their football stadium in anticipation that they'll be asked to a Power 5 conference.

Also, these are reasons why a MAC school (as they are now) won't really be considered. Most stadiums in the MAC have between 20k to 30k capacity. Toledo leads in average attendance at 20k/game the last 8 years so so. The smallest B12 stadium is Baylors prestige/new stadium at 45k. The rest are 50k to 65k, with Texas having over 100k.

BYU holds 65k, UC just increased to 40k.

Can UT get to 40k or more? Would it make a difference? Is there a scenario where UT can join a Power 5 conference? Even if the Glass Bowl were expanded, what else would UT need to do to get an invite?

Can you imagine? Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor at the Glass Bowl!?! Or, Kansas, Ok St, or Iowa St at Savage!?! Games would sell out pretty easily and the perception of UT both locally and nationally would increase tremendously.

(12-28-2015 06:47 PM)cincyrocket Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 02:53 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Think the Texas schools would allow Houston in?

(12-28-2015 02:02 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Houston was a previous member of the Southwest conference with Texas, Teaxas A & M, Arkansas, etc. and will likely get into Big 12 with their upgraded program and new stadium. My money is on BYU and UH

(12-28-2015 03:27 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  I think they will be forced to let them in. The city of Houston is a huge addition for the BIG 12 !!!!!!

The article clearly stated that the Texas schools would block Houston from joining.

A few key aspects of a school that would be added (if any) are football reputation/tradition, fan support, and facilities. That is why UC & BYU are the "leading candidates", even though they are semi weak candidates. UC has mortgaged their athletic future to renovate/expand their football stadium in anticipation that they'll be asked to a Power 5 conference.

Also, these are reasons why a MAC school (as they are now) won't really be considered. Most stadiums in the MAC have between 20k to 30k capacity. Toledo leads in average attendance at 20k/game the last 8 years so so. The smallest B12 stadium is Baylors prestige/new stadium at 45k. The rest are 50k to 65k, with Texas having over 100k.

BYU holds 65k, UC just increased to 40k.

Can UT get to 40k or more? Would it make a difference? Is there a scenario where UT can join a Power 5 conference? Even if the Glass Bowl were expanded, what else would UT need to do to get an invite?

Can you imagine? Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor at the Glass Bowl!?! Or, Kansas, Ok St, or Iowa St at Savage!?! Games would sell out pretty easily and the perception of UT both locally and nationally would increase tremendously.

Ticket prices would definitely have to increase. Don't know if Toledoens will pay the higher ticket price.

(12-28-2015 08:41 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 06:47 PM)cincyrocket Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 02:53 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Think the Texas schools would allow Houston in?

(12-28-2015 02:02 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Houston was a previous member of the Southwest conference with Texas, Teaxas A & M, Arkansas, etc. and will likely get into Big 12 with their upgraded program and new stadium. My money is on BYU and UH

(12-28-2015 03:27 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  I think they will be forced to let them in. The city of Houston is a huge addition for the BIG 12 !!!!!!

The article clearly stated that the Texas schools would block Houston from joining.

A few key aspects of a school that would be added (if any) are football reputation/tradition, fan support, and facilities. That is why UC & BYU are the "leading candidates", even though they are semi weak candidates. UC has mortgaged their athletic future to renovate/expand their football stadium in anticipation that they'll be asked to a Power 5 conference.

Also, these are reasons why a MAC school (as they are now) won't really be considered. Most stadiums in the MAC have between 20k to 30k capacity. Toledo leads in average attendance at 20k/game the last 8 years so so. The smallest B12 stadium is Baylors prestige/new stadium at 45k. The rest are 50k to 65k, with Texas having over 100k.

BYU holds 65k, UC just increased to 40k.

Can UT get to 40k or more? Would it make a difference? Is there a scenario where UT can join a Power 5 conference? Even if the Glass Bowl were expanded, what else would UT need to do to get an invite?

Can you imagine? Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor at the Glass Bowl!?! Or, Kansas, Ok St, or Iowa St at Savage!?! Games would sell out pretty easily and the perception of UT both locally and nationally would increase tremendously.

Ticket prices would definitely have to increase. Don't know if Toledoens will pay the higher ticket price.

If they would constantly play those kind of teams, I bet they would pay.

But, unfortunately, this will never happen.

Moving to the big12 would be a disaster. One forget driving to away games. Two we may get a few more people in the stands but to sell out any game would happen once in a blue moon. Man we can't sellout now when we are playing for a shot at a championship game. Three the cost to get our teams to those away games. Four. I don't know if there even needs to be a fourth reason.
I think that if we want to be in another league. We should get 11 or 13 other schools basically from the Mac, sun belt and, the aac and form a new league. The top four most consistent teams from each league.

(12-28-2015 06:47 PM)cincyrocket Wrote:  

(12-28-2015 02:53 PM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Think the Texas schools would allow Houston in?

(12-28-2015 02:02 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  Houston was a previous member of the Southwest conference with Texas, Teaxas A & M, Arkansas, etc. and will likely get into Big 12 with their upgraded program and new stadium. My money is on BYU and UH

(12-28-2015 03:27 PM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote:  I think they will be forced to let them in. The city of Houston is a huge addition for the BIG 12 !!!!!!

The article clearly stated that the Texas schools would block Houston from joining.

A few key aspects of a school that would be added (if any) are football reputation/tradition, fan support, and facilities. That is why UC & BYU are the "leading candidates", even though they are semi weak candidates. UC has mortgaged their athletic future to renovate/expand their football stadium in anticipation that they'll be asked to a Power 5 conference.

Also, these are reasons why a MAC school (as they are now) won't really be considered. Most stadiums in the MAC have between 20k to 30k capacity. Toledo leads in average attendance at 20k/game the last 8 years so so. The smallest B12 stadium is Baylors prestige/new stadium at 45k. The rest are 50k to 65k, with Texas having over 100k.

BYU holds 65k, UC just increased to 40k.

Can UT get to 40k or more? Would it make a difference? Is there a scenario where UT can join a Power 5 conference? Even if the Glass Bowl were expanded, what else would UT need to do to get an invite?

Can you imagine? Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor at the Glass Bowl!?! Or, Kansas, Ok St, or Iowa St at Savage!?! Games would sell out pretty easily and the perception of UT both locally and nationally would increase tremendously.

I suspect that the Bearcats are counting on their storied basketball program to get them over the hump once again one more time (and maybe it will or maybe it won't) because that is what has gotten them this far (into C-USA & the Big East/AAC)-----certainly not their football program. The other side of that coin is that Toledo's men's basketball with no appearances in the NCAA in 35 years and still counting is part of the reason why there are a dozen or more school in line ahead of Toledo that have a better (albeit still slim) chance of making it to the P5 status before the Rockets get a sniff.

And why expand the Glass Bowl to 40,000 when you can't even sell out the Glass Bowl for an ranked SEC team or a ranked Rocket team now? Back in 2000/2001 talk of expansion at least sounded reasonable when the Glass Bowl attendance was usually well beyond the stadium's stated capacity, but I am afraid that those days are now just a fond memory.

As long as some perennial P5 cellar dweller can quadruple a successful Rocket football coach's salary, I am afraid that my imagination can not stretch to the point of visualizing Rockets in some P5 conference or some team such as Texas or Oklahoma ever visiting the Glass Bowl under any circumstances----frankly, I wonder if either of those teams would sell out the Glass Bowl these days given the (high but reasonable) premium price such a ticket would probably carry.

We have entered into an era of tighter university budgets, increasing disinterest in attending sporting events, higher transportation costs and more consciousness over the environmental effects of fuel burned for transportation. All of this should point toward more compact regional conferences and contraction of budgets and facilities. However, with tv football money skewing everything out of wack we are seeing the college sports world reinvent itself in a format that otherwise makes little sense. yeah, would be sweet to have the sooners in the glass bowl, i won't lie. However, sending the baseball team to waco, the track team to Stillwater and the tennis team to Ames (all in the same week) seems like a high price to pay.

(12-28-2015 10:12 PM)pono Wrote:  We have entered into an era of tighter university budgets, increasing disinterest in attending sporting events, higher transportation costs and more consciousness over the environmental effects of fuel burned for transportation. All of this should point toward more compact regional conferences and contraction of budgets and facilities. However, with tv football money skewing everything out of wack we are seeing the college sports world reinvent itself in a format that otherwise makes little sense. yeah, would be sweet to have the sooners in the glass bowl, i won't lie. However, sending the baseball team to waco, the track team to Stillwater and the tennis team to Ames (all in the same week) seems like a high price to pay.

For sure, the costs would increase, but I'm factoring in increased revenue from the move to more than offset it.

Look, I get it. Current attendance isn't superb, but some people have no interest in watching UT play some "directional" school no matter how important the game is. IMO, the community/area would pack the Glass Bowl with a big time home schedule.

UT would then be able to get better recruits, be involved in the CFB Playoff discussion, etc...

Regarding expanding the Glass Bowl, I was just speculating that if UT wanted to "improve their resume" for a Power 5 conference, that would probably be a necessary step.

Forming a "Super Group of Five" conference isn't a bad idea, but it won't likely prevent UT and the other members from losing coaches to the Power 5 schools. Someone mentioned UTs attendance back in the early 2000s, I think UT is close to being back at that point. Let's do what it takes to build this program.

Probably wouldn't play too many Tuesday night games in the Big 12 - for that reason alone I'd sell my soul to have it happen.

(12-28-2015 11:49 PM)bigdatut98 Wrote:  Probably wouldn't play too many Tuesday night games in the Big 12 - for that reason alone I'd sell my soul to have it happen.

The good news you don't have to sell you soul, just start writing big checks to the UT Foundation that are designated for the Athletic Department. The bad news is, that while ever little bit extra helps, moving a program forward to the point most people seem to want requires a lot more money that is likely to ever be forth coming.

PS. The following is not aimed at specific persons rather at fans in general. Namely, it is also counter-productive when some fans complain about the added cost of tickets for big games or the increase in parking fees---or rush out to buy fan plan tickets rather than pony up for full fare season tickets. Thinking big requires big money that goes well beyond the pittance that is MAC's TV contract money.

Will never happen for UT. Having three of the top five winningest college football programs within our footprint relegates us to a permanent second tier.

(12-29-2015 03:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Will never happen for UT. Having three of the top five winningest college football programs within our footprint relegates us to a permanent second tier.

Cinci has those same teams in their footprint and even worse in b-ball. I see your point but ultimately what holds UT back is money and I'd add, need. Toledo or teams like Toledo moving into Big 12 just means the Big 12 has become "second tier." Given personal choice, playing the cities in the AAC would be of more interest anyhow. I like the MAC. I'd rather stay in the MAC. But ultimately, the city nor the school are looking to identify with Mt. Pleasant, that's not a step up.

(12-29-2015 09:24 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Will never happen for UT. Having three of the top five winningest college football programs within our footprint relegates us to a permanent second tier.

Cinci has those same teams in their footprint and even worse in b-ball. I see your point but ultimately what holds UT back is money and I'd add, need. Toledo or teams like Toledo moving into Big 12 just means the Big 12 has become "second tier." Given personal choice, playing the cities in the AAC would be of more interest anyhow. I like the MAC. I'd rather stay in the MAC. But ultimately, the city nor the school are looking to identify with Mt. Pleasant, that's not a step up.

OMG! I think eastisbest and I finally agreed on something. It's truly a Christmas Miracle!

Seriously though, it's time to get out of the MAC.

(12-29-2015 09:39 AM)cincyrocket Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 09:24 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 03:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  Will never happen for UT. Having three of the top five winningest college football programs within our footprint relegates us to a permanent second tier.

Cinci has those same teams in their footprint and even worse in b-ball. I see your point but ultimately what holds UT back is money and I'd add, need. Toledo or teams like Toledo moving into Big 12 just means the Big 12 has become "second tier." Given personal choice, playing the cities in the AAC would be of more interest anyhow. I like the MAC. I'd rather stay in the MAC. But ultimately, the city nor the school are looking to identify with Mt. Pleasant, that's not a step up.

OMG! I think eastisbest and I finally agreed on something. It's truly a Christmas Miracle!

Seriously though, it's time to get out of the MAC.

Enjoy it for three days. Then a new year just like the old begins, lol.