Highest Research Activity

Pac 12 - everyone
Big 10 - everyone
Big 12 - everyone except Okla St, Baylor, TCU

MWC - Hawaii, New Mexico, Colo St
American - Houston, Tulane, Cincy, UConn, UCF, USF, Temple

Others - Rice

Note: BYU did not make it.

What are the new classifications and how they are defined?

Just curious why you didn't tell us about The ACC and The SEC.

No UAB? No Buffalo?

Looks like they just renamed their "very high research" classification as "highest research", see http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/cl.../basic.php .

Someone compiled the whole Carnegie Classification list on Wikipedia, if anyone wants to see if their favorite (or least favorite) school is on the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ted_States

(12-26-2015 02:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Looks like they just renamed their "very high research" classification as "highest research", see http://carnegieclassifications.iu.edu/cl.../basic.php .

Someone compiled the whole Carnegie Classification list on Wikipedia, if anyone wants to see if their favorite (or least favorite) school is on the list.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re...ted_States

Wiki has not been updated with the latest classifications. For example, Kansas St. is in the "highest research" category (formerly VH) now instead of "high."

Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma St. are now classified as "higher research." The other Big 12 schools are "highest research." Auburn was on the wiki list in "high"-looking them up they are still in the equivalent, "higher research."

The site says that the reports listing all institutions in a category won't be available until February 1. You can only look up individual schools.

Boise State, Idaho and Idaho State are listed as High Research Institution.

The amount of research dollars produced by a school isn't very indicative of its quality.

What a school offers academically seems to be the best indicator. Take a state for example and compare the universities against what major they offer and its usually fairly clear which schools are more second tier and which ones are not.

Some of the indicator bands like admission standards you can't cross compare between states when they have vastly different populations. Some states require a college preparatory curriculum for their state universities while others don't.

(12-26-2015 03:03 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State, Idaho and Idaho State are listed as High Research Institution.

I didn't see Idaho listed it is Wikipedia though.
I remember reading Idaho has twice as much as BSU and Idaho St.
How that falls into these categories I don't know.

(12-26-2015 03:12 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The amount of research dollars produced by a school isn't very indicative of its quality.

It shouldn't be the only indicator of quality, but given that research requires money, and given that much of the research money spent by a school is obtained from competitive grants, it's one reasonable indicator to use, if it has a proper "per capita" correction (so that it doesn't just reward schools for being large, i.e., dollars-per-researcher is much more relevant than sheer dollars).

It's possible that a school spending a lot of money on research is not spending it effectively (though that is very likely to be corrected over time), but it would be difficult to imagine a large volume of quality research being done at a school with an extremely low dollars-per-researcher.

P5 under the old classifications, all 14 Big 10 and all 12 Pac 12 were in the "very high" category. All are still in the "highest" category.

Big 12 had 4 "very high", 5 "high" and 1 "doctoral." WVU, Texas Tech and KSU moved into "highest" while TCU moved from doctoral to "higher." Baylor and KSU stayed in the 2nd category. So Big 12 was 7 "highest" and 3 "higher."

ACC had 13 "highest" and Wake Forest in "higher." BC, Clemson and Syracuse were all in the 2nd category previously, but moved up.

SEC had 10 "highest" and 4 "higher." Previously Mississippi St. was in "very high" but they dropped to "higher" joining Auburn, Alabama and Ole Miss in the 2nd level.

New classifications include "highest," "higher," "limited," "masters-larger," and "baccalaureate." There are obviously some other categories, but the first 4 seem to include nearly all FBS except for the military academies which don't have graduate programs.

AAC has 7 "highest," 4 "higher" (SMU, ECU, Tulsa, Memphis) and Navy.

Temple was previously in the 2nd category but moved to "highest." ECU and Tulsa were in the 3rd category previously, but moved to "higher."

Damn, so close NIU... still only under "higher" classification

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Why does anyone care what Carnegie says? The actual research numbers are available freely.

Cool to see UAB in the highest category, while Alabama and Auburn are in the second category.

(12-26-2015 07:07 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Cool to see UAB in the highest category, while Alabama and Auburn are in the second category.

it really is cool to be a Blazer these days. A new day is dawning

An FBS Big Sky would have three highest (Mont St, NDSU, UCDavis) and several higher research (UND, USD, SDSU, UMont, Idaho, Portland St). Idaho St and N Ariz would make eight higher research schools if the chose to go. Sac St, Cal Poly, and E Wash are the other schools make plans for FBS IMHO.

Idaho AD has been quoted as saying the Big Sky research schools have plans to form their own division.

all about med and vet schools. those draw big research dollars. almost gotta have one to make the top list with some exceptions

I think research dollars are a good metric for public universities to compare themselves on, but not private. Many private colleges are more challenging and competitive academically than high research publics.. For example, Swarthmore>Hawaii, Mississippi State, etc.. Even for graduate school, I still don't think they are very representive.