First, Orris is a junior not senior. He played 33 minutes. He had 9assists which is great but had 4turnovers. He is shooting 274%fg, 217%3ptrs, and 545%ft. He has to earn minutes just like the freshman do!

A more than 2-1 assist to turnover ratio is nothing to bat an eye at. And they won the game....again.

(12-29-2015 11:45 PM)7 Wrote:  If you're surprised a coach leans on his seniors rather than his freshman late in games, I would ask if this is the first time you've ever watched college sports before.

This is the only thing that makes me uncomfortable. The guys that have been here a few years, yes that are going to make less mistakes. But in conference play, going down the stretch in games when you need to play catch up or need that big bucket down the stretch, you have to be brutally honest that the veterans just are not made in that mold to do that kind of thing. Sitting all the freshman in the 2nd half might work vs UIC, but its not going to work in conference play, there is way too much talent in the MAC this year. The other issue is that scheduling one of the worst non-conf schedules in the country SHOULD afford you the luxury of putting your freshman in key situations late in games. Who gives a rat's behind if a freshman makes a mistake that costs a game at Missouri, or FIU, or UIC. It doesnt really matter, NIU is not playing for an at-large. We already know we can hold the ball for the entire shot clock and limit possessions, why do we need an entire non-conf schedule versus weak teams to see that. I just think this non-conf season was a bit of a missed opportunity to develop players. I don't think Monty is comfortable playing a game that the freshman bring. Wilson and Porter simply are not made to play the brand of basketball that Monty wants. I just see a possible conflict between their styles and skills and what Monty wants brought to the table. I think MOnty is overvaluing these non-conf wins to be honest, it worries me that there is not a longer term vision in place with how this group will mold together to be competitive to win the MAC

(12-29-2015 11:01 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Madddawg, you may be right about Porter leaving. I have been saying that he knows he is better than Orris and that he and the freshman did not come here to come off the bench. Porter just tweeted: I am so frustrated! Not a good sign especially after a win. Abdul Nader tweeted the same thing when he was here after a win that he didn't play much.

UGHHHHH, not good, not good We FINALLY get talent to come to NIU, and we are going to chase it away.

As a coaching staff a decision has to be made, do you want to play a conservative 1940's style, or do you want to try and recruit talent. If you are not committed to it, this is what happens, you will lose recruits or not get them to come here at all. My frustration with the grinderball is that its great if you want a little hot streak in conference season and ultimately finish a game or two over .500. But we have seen that style does not take you very far in the post-season. Especially now that college has a 30 second shot clock, the winning first by defense philosophy I fear is going to be a thing of the past, and I fear Monty is going to be left behind with his old school thinking

(12-30-2015 12:38 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 11:01 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Madddawg, you may be right about Porter leaving. I have been saying that he knows he is better than Orris and that he and the freshman did not come here to come off the bench. Porter just tweeted: I am so frustrated! Not a good sign especially after a win. Abdul Nader tweeted the same thing when he was here after a win that he didn't play much.

UGHHHHH, not good, not good We FINALLY get talent to come to NIU, and we are going to chase it away.

As a coaching staff a decision has to be made, do you want to play a conservative 1940's style, or do you want to try and recruit talent. If you are not committed to it, this is what happens, you will lose recruits or not get them to come here at all. My frustration with the grinderball is that its great if you want a little hot streak in conference season and ultimately finish a game or two over .500. But we have seen that style does not take you very far in the post-season. Especially now that college has a 30 second shot clock, the winning first by defense philosophy I fear is going to be a thing of the past, and I fear Monty is going to be left behind with his old school thinking

Porter is good as gone...

(12-30-2015 12:44 AM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 12:38 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-29-2015 11:01 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Madddawg, you may be right about Porter leaving. I have been saying that he knows he is better than Orris and that he and the freshman did not come here to come off the bench. Porter just tweeted: I am so frustrated! Not a good sign especially after a win. Abdul Nader tweeted the same thing when he was here after a win that he didn't play much.

UGHHHHH, not good, not good We FINALLY get talent to come to NIU, and we are going to chase it away.

As a coaching staff a decision has to be made, do you want to play a conservative 1940's style, or do you want to try and recruit talent. If you are not committed to it, this is what happens, you will lose recruits or not get them to come here at all. My frustration with the grinderball is that its great if you want a little hot streak in conference season and ultimately finish a game or two over .500. But we have seen that style does not take you very far in the post-season. Especially now that college has a 30 second shot clock, the winning first by defense philosophy I fear is going to be a thing of the past, and I fear Monty is going to be left behind with his old school thinking

Porter is good as gone...

Just wow, well I hate to say it, but I called this one.

maybe some of you want a guy on your team that whines in tweets after his 10-2 team just wins on the road at a place they haven't won since before he was born.......not me...either be a good teammate, work on your game, be coachable or go somewhere where you can play your game and lose..a lot...

and 9 assists is nothing to sneeze at.......neither are defensive stops...and if you play 7 minutes and have 3 fouls, you are not using proper defensive techniques....

I, too, would rather play Porter.........if he would stop making the same mistakes, over and over and over again..but I would rather win...

(12-30-2015 01:09 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  maybe some of you want a guy on your team that whines in tweets after his 10-2 team just wins on the road at a place they haven't won since before he was born.......not me...either be a good teammate, work on your game, be coachable or go somewhere where you can play your game and lose..a lot...

and 9 assists is nothing to sneeze at.......neither are defensive stops...and if you play 7 minutes and have 3 fouls, you are not using proper defensive techniques....

I, too, would rather play Porter.........if he would stop making the same mistakes, over and over and over again..but I would rather win...

I love Orris, but my goodness, he can be a terrific liability offensively. Porter's PT should at least be equal to that of Orris right now. To me its not about what its going to take to beat FIU, UIC, and Roosevelt, its about what its going to take to beat the top MAC foes.

Porter is showing that he is 18 and immature. There is a lot of season left. He is currently thinking of self over team and that's a problem. That being said, I would love to see Orris lose 10 minutes of playing time to Porter and Wilson!

(12-30-2015 01:14 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Porter is showing that he is 18 and immature. There is a lot of season left. He is currently thinking of self over team and that's a problem. That being said, I would love to see Orris lose 10 minutes of playing time to Porter and Wilson!

I agree 100 percent, Porter is really showing immaturity and this type of outburst would make more sense after the year is over. But at the same time, its plain as day why he is upset. I can understand why he is frustrated

Cagey, I know you are right about Porter. The problem is Orris is shooting so bad that he just can't be out there so many minutes. It's a tuff spot for Monty but that's why he's the coach.

Wait until Pauga and Dontel start taking minutes. Good luck Monty!

(12-30-2015 01:19 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Cagey, I know you are right about Porter. The problem is Orris is shooting so bad that he just can't be out there so many minutes. It's a tuff spot for Monty but that's why he's the coach.

We are like that NFL team who has a defensive coach, and anything on the offensive side of the ball is not important. The only important thing on offense for these type of coaches is "don't do stupid things, I don't care if you score or anything, just don't do stupid things". That type of philosophy ALWAYS comes up short in the W/L column. To be honest this is starting to feel a little Lovie Smithish to me.

(12-30-2015 01:24 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 01:19 AM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Cagey, I know you are right about Porter. The problem is Orris is shooting so bad that he just can't be out there so many minutes. It's a tuff spot for Monty but that's why he's the coach.

We are like that NFL team who has a defensive coach, and anything on the offensive side of the ball is not important. The only important thing on offense for these type of coaches is "don't do stupid things, I don't care if you score or anything, just don't do stupid things". That type of philosophy ALWAYS comes up short in the W/L column. To be honest this is starting to feel a little Lovie Smithish to me.

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Some of you are acting like NIU can't score unless they give minutes to undisciplined fresh who will throw tantrums if they don't get their way. You obviously haven't raised children. The reality is that the Huskies are # 136 out of 351 NCAA teams in points per game at 75.6. And they are 28-4 when scoring over 70 under Monty because their defense is # 26 nationally allowing 62.8 PPG. Their scoring margin of almost +14 per game is #39 in NCAA of 351 schools.

(12-29-2015 11:45 PM)7 Wrote:  If you're surprised a coach leans on his seniors rather than his freshman late in games, I would ask if this is the first time you've ever watched college sports before.

No, we're just all idiots.

(12-30-2015 06:20 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Some of you are acting like NIU can't score unless they give minutes to undisciplined fresh who will throw tantrums if they don't get their way. You obviously haven't raised children. The reality is that the Huskies are # 136 out of 351 NCAA teams in points per game at 75.6. And they are 28-4 when scoring over 70 under Monty because their defense is # 26 nationally allowing 62.8 PPG. Their scoring margin of almost +14 per game is #39 in NCAA of 351 schools.

Well its nice to throw out skewed stats considering the games that NIU scored 80+ points were against CS Northridge, Eureka, IU-NW, Chicago St, and Roosevelt.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how much offensive talent Monty brings in, he still continues to run the same offensive scheme of slow ball that will ultimately be NIU's downfall once the MAC schedule begins...if things do not change. I believe they are a .500 MAC team currently but if they played to their roster's talent, this is a team that could easily be a top 4-5 team in the MAC and contend for the title. There is a reason why the shot clock has been reduced to 30 seconds.

(12-30-2015 08:40 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:20 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Some of you are acting like NIU can't score unless they give minutes to undisciplined fresh who will throw tantrums if they don't get their way. You obviously haven't raised children. The reality is that the Huskies are # 136 out of 351 NCAA teams in points per game at 75.6. And they are 28-4 when scoring over 70 under Monty because their defense is # 26 nationally allowing 62.8 PPG. Their scoring margin of almost +14 per game is #39 in NCAA of 351 schools.

Well its nice to throw out skewed stats considering the games that NIU scored 80+ points were against CS Northridge, Eureka, IU-NW, Chicago St, and Roosevelt.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how much offensive talent Monty brings in, he still continues to run the same offensive scheme of slow ball that will ultimately be NIU's downfall once the MAC schedule begins...if things do not change. I believe they are a .500 MAC team currently but if they played to their roster's talent, this is a team that could easily be a top 4-5 team in the MAC and contend for the title. There is a reason why the shot clock has been reduced to 30 seconds.

It seems to work for Tom Izzo

(12-30-2015 08:57 AM)klake87 Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 08:40 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  

(12-30-2015 06:20 AM)cagy cager Wrote:  Some of you are acting like NIU can't score unless they give minutes to undisciplined fresh who will throw tantrums if they don't get their way. You obviously haven't raised children. The reality is that the Huskies are # 136 out of 351 NCAA teams in points per game at 75.6. And they are 28-4 when scoring over 70 under Monty because their defense is # 26 nationally allowing 62.8 PPG. Their scoring margin of almost +14 per game is #39 in NCAA of 351 schools.

Well its nice to throw out skewed stats considering the games that NIU scored 80+ points were against CS Northridge, Eureka, IU-NW, Chicago St, and Roosevelt.

The fact of the matter is, no matter how much offensive talent Monty brings in, he still continues to run the same offensive scheme of slow ball that will ultimately be NIU's downfall once the MAC schedule begins...if things do not change. I believe they are a .500 MAC team currently but if they played to their roster's talent, this is a team that could easily be a top 4-5 team in the MAC and contend for the title. There is a reason why the shot clock has been reduced to 30 seconds.

It seems to work for Tom Izzo

Not even comparable considering they receive top ranked recruits and have one of the top 5 players in ALL of college basketball this season. They still maintain 80 ppg even after playing good schools such as Kansas, Providence, Louisville, Florida, and Boston College. They have also played all Division I opponents this year on top of that.

Any road win is a good win.

I have faith that the coaches have a plan regarding the young kids developing.

A kid taking to twitter after a game is not something to worry about, just a kid being a kid, immature with a lot to learn, like all of us at 18.

Hopefully our coaches are doing a great job at practice and in meetings of working to develop those relationships further and get the younger players heading the right direction. I believe the staff will address his concerns by talking about his future and not his present.