http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-...conference

..."We have fewer data points," Bowlsby said in an interview this week. "We have 12 and if you play a championship game you have 13 games. It seems to me we have to acknowledge we're somewhat at a disadvantage and that some years we can overcome the disadvantage and some years, perhaps, we won't be able to."...

..."Well, expansion is certainly one option," Bowlsby said. "Our presidents and chancellors would decide if that's one they want to pursue. The other option is to assess the risk and the disadvantage and determine if we're willing to live with the disadvantage."

"We continue to have some uncertainty," Bowlsby said. "Until we see some components that will weigh on our decision, we'll just have to be patient. And being patient is a difficult thing.

really think the fact that Oklahoma got dinged by not having a CCG really changed some thinking within the conference. Like if it can happen to Oklahoma, it can happen to any of us.

Paging Buffalo/UMass to AAC haha

I still think it's Cincy/Memphis that gets the Big 12 invite

(12-23-2015 11:30 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Paging Buffalo/UMass to AAC haha

I still think it's Cincy/Memphis that gets the Big 12 invite

Buffalo/UMass have huge enrollments and capacity to push their athletic budgets up to 40 million.

Buffalo is at 30 million and UMass is I believe at 33 million so its not that much of a stretch from a budget perspective when you throw 3-4 million in revenue sharing on top of those totals.

(12-23-2015 11:46 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 11:30 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Paging Buffalo/UMass to AAC haha

I still think it's Cincy/Memphis that gets the Big 12 invite

Buffalo/UMass have huge enrollments and capacity to push their athletic budgets up to 40 million.

Buffalo is at 30 million and UMass is I believe at 33 million so its not that much of a stretch from a budget perspective when you throw 3-4 million in revenue sharing on top of those totals.

Those teams need to raise their budgets now and increase their attendance now if they are hoping to be a realistic replacement candidate. Otherwise, the AAC will likely go with candidates that ALREADY have higher budgets and attendance (not to mention better facilities---thinking more about UMass on that one).

(12-23-2015 11:30 AM)TheBasketBallOpinion Wrote:  Paging Buffalo/UMass to AAC haha

I still think it's Cincy/Memphis that gets the Big 12 invite

That makes the most geographic sense when also considering WV with the other BXII schools. If expanding into new recruiting and TV markets is a factor I think you also have to include the Florida schools. On new TV ... I wonder if the BXII Network will / can ever happen?

(12-23-2015 11:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  really think the fact that Oklahoma got dinged by not having a CCG really changed some thinking within the conference. Like if it can happen to Oklahoma, it can happen to any of us.

If so, that would be stupid thinking on their part. Oklahoma deserved to be #4, they weren't any better than that. An extra game would only make them stronger if it was against a good team, but if it's against a good team then the odds of them losing are higher.

Without CCG: Oklahoma and the Big 12 had a 100% chance of making the playoffs.

With a CCG: Oklahoma and the Big 12 had maybe a 65% chance of making the playoffs.

(12-23-2015 12:25 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 11:19 AM)stever20 Wrote:  really think the fact that Oklahoma got dinged by not having a CCG really changed some thinking within the conference. Like if it can happen to Oklahoma, it can happen to any of us.

If so, that would be stupid thinking on their part. Oklahoma deserved to be #4, they weren't any better than that. An extra game would only make them stronger if it was against a good team, but if it's against a good team then the odds of them losing are higher.

Without CCG: Oklahoma and the Big 12 had a 100% chance of making the playoffs.

With a CCG: Oklahoma and the Big 12 had maybe a 65% chance of making the playoffs.

The thing is, if they had been #4 they could have w/o the CCG been out of the playoffs possibly anyways.

The Sooners got to sit at home the last week, safely in the playoffs, [/align]while every other contender had to play Russian Roulette with their own playoff chances.

UMASS and their facilities issues is a HUGE red flag right now. Get that resolved first

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Come on Big 12, do it.

(12-23-2015 12:29 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The Sooners got to sit at home the last week, safely in the playoffs, [/align]while every other contender had to play Russian Roulette with their own playoff chances.

This year because OK 'started' at #3 and not #4. Starting one spot lower and they would have been out it seems. This is the second year out of two that the BXII school has dropped. I think that's the concern.

Agree with quo and wedge.

People need to remember that in the first two years of the playoff, there have been 0 upsets in CCGs. On average there should be 1-2 each year. Now some of those upsetting teams may be in position to be top 4, especially if there are multiple upsets, but if they are lower than 7 or 8 in the last poll it is probably a long shot. Most leagues that stage a CCG are pit ting their top team up for a loss and risk being out of the playoffs. So far that risk has not become reality, but it will.

(12-23-2015 12:38 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Agree with quo and wedge.

People need to remember that in the first two years of the playoff, there have been 0 upsets in CCGs. On average there should be 1-2 each year. Now some of those upsetting teams may be in position to be top 4, especially if there are multiple upsets, but if they are lower than 7 or 8 in the last poll it is probably a long shot. Most leagues that stage a CCG are pit ting their top team up for a loss and risk being out of the playoffs. So far that risk has not become reality, but it will.

not necessarily at all. Also, some of the time like last year, if Arizona had beaten Oregon, it's no lock that Baylor would have gotten in over Arizona. Bottom line, both years, the Big 12 by not having a title game has had their champion lowered in the final week. If you think that it's no concern, you're crazy.

OK dropped and they dropped after beating the shat out of a ranked OK State team. I'd be concerned.

(12-23-2015 12:46 PM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  OK dropped and they dropped after beating the shat out of a ranked OK State team. I'd be concerned.

You should be concerned Houston has replaced Memphis

(12-23-2015 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:38 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Agree with quo and wedge.

People need to remember that in the first two years of the playoff, there have been 0 upsets in CCGs. On average there should be 1-2 each year. Now some of those upsetting teams may be in position to be top 4, especially if there are multiple upsets, but if they are lower than 7 or 8 in the last poll it is probably a long shot. Most leagues that stage a CCG are pit ting their top team up for a loss and risk being out of the playoffs. So far that risk has not become reality, but it will.

not necessarily at all. Also, some of the time like last year, if Arizona had beaten Oregon, it's no lock that Baylor would have gotten in over Arizona. Bottom line, both years, the Big 12 by not having a title game has had their champion lowered in the final week. If you think that it's no concern, you're crazy.

Arizona, with 2 losses, would not have been selected over Baylor last year. A 2 loss team hasn't been selected over a 1 loss P5 team yet, and it didn't happen in the BCS, either.

(12-23-2015 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:38 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Agree with quo and wedge.

People need to remember that in the first two years of the playoff, there have been 0 upsets in CCGs. On average there should be 1-2 each year. Now some of those upsetting teams may be in position to be top 4, especially if there are multiple upsets, but if they are lower than 7 or 8 in the last poll it is probably a long shot. Most leagues that stage a CCG are pit ting their top team up for a loss and risk being out of the playoffs. So far that risk has not become reality, but it will.

not necessarily at all. Also, some of the time like last year, if Arizona had beaten Oregon, it's no lock that Baylor would have gotten in over Arizona. Bottom line, both years, the Big 12 by not having a title game has had their champion lowered in the final week. If you think that it's no concern, you're crazy.

Arizona, with 2 losses, would not have been selected over Baylor last year. A 2 loss team hasn't been selected over a 1 loss P5 team yet, and it didn't happen in the BCS, either.

Arizona EASILY could have been chosen over Baylor. Remember, Arizona last year going into the CCG was #7. Baylor was #6. Why couldn't Arizona have passed them playing Oregon(#2) with Baylor not playing?

(12-23-2015 01:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:00 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:41 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 12:38 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Agree with quo and wedge.

People need to remember that in the first two years of the playoff, there have been 0 upsets in CCGs. On average there should be 1-2 each year. Now some of those upsetting teams may be in position to be top 4, especially if there are multiple upsets, but if they are lower than 7 or 8 in the last poll it is probably a long shot. Most leagues that stage a CCG are pit ting their top team up for a loss and risk being out of the playoffs. So far that risk has not become reality, but it will.

not necessarily at all. Also, some of the time like last year, if Arizona had beaten Oregon, it's no lock that Baylor would have gotten in over Arizona. Bottom line, both years, the Big 12 by not having a title game has had their champion lowered in the final week. If you think that it's no concern, you're crazy.

Arizona, with 2 losses, would not have been selected over Baylor last year. A 2 loss team hasn't been selected over a 1 loss P5 team yet, and it didn't happen in the BCS, either.

Arizona EASILY could have been chosen over Baylor. Remember, Arizona last year going into the CCG was #7. Baylor was #6. Why couldn't Arizona have passed them playing Oregon(#2) with Baylor not playing?

Baylor played and beat a top 10 team last year on the CCG weekend.

(12-23-2015 12:38 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Agree with quo and wedge.

People need to remember that in the first two years of the playoff, there have been 0 upsets in CCGs. On average there should be 1-2 each year. Now some of those upsetting teams may be in position to be top 4, especially if there are multiple upsets, but if they are lower than 7 or 8 in the last poll it is probably a long shot. Most leagues that stage a CCG are pit ting their top team up for a loss and risk being out of the playoffs. So far that risk has not become reality, but it will.

Exactly.

And what about the year where a 4th place team from a conference upsets the 1st place team and the 2nd place team gets in the playoff for sitting at home and not playing?

I think the Pac-12's attitude is more appropriate. "We're not going to freak out over one season...we have a long-term plan for scheduling that we are going to stick with." The Big 12 can have a competitive approach by simply scheduling better. 9 conference games...1 marquee OOC game...2 G5 games...zero FCS games.