(12-22-2015 10:57 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:35 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 09:58 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  Compared to our other sports the last few years that's hugely successful. Let's not act like Huggs was killing it in the tourney his last 8-9 years at UC either.

Yeah like Mick will get UC to an Elite 8 or final four.

So what's the solution? Hand Mick the pink slip?

Yes, no elite 8 he has to go. The brain issue has to be a recruiting
issue. With a new arena forthcoming you ask do you want to be one a done every year or a big time program. This is by far Mick's most talented team. No Elite 8 equals pink slip.

We'd be the laughing stock of college basketball after what Mick has done here. Better be ready to clean out the rest of the coaches on campus if that's the standard of success at UC.

Yeah because Memphis is awesome.

(12-22-2015 11:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:57 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:35 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:34 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Yeah like Mick will get UC to an Elite 8 or final four.

So what's the solution? Hand Mick the pink slip?

Yes, no elite 8 he has to go. The brain issue has to be a recruiting
issue. With a new arena forthcoming you ask do you want to be one a done every year or a big time program. This is by far Mick's most talented team. No Elite 8 equals pink slip.

We'd be the laughing stock of college basketball after what Mick has done here. Better be ready to clean out the rest of the coaches on campus if that's the standard of success at UC.

Yeah because Memphis is awesome.

I have no idea what that means

(12-22-2015 11:02 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 11:01 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:57 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:42 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 10:35 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  So what's the solution? Hand Mick the pink slip?

Yes, no elite 8 he has to go. The brain issue has to be a recruiting
issue. With a new arena forthcoming you ask do you want to be one a done every year or a big time program. This is by far Mick's most talented team. No Elite 8 equals pink slip.

We'd be the laughing stock of college basketball after what Mick has done here. Better be ready to clean out the rest of the coaches on campus if that's the standard of success at UC.

Yeah because Memphis is awesome.

I have no idea what that means

Their coach is going to get fired?

anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

(12-22-2015 09:07 PM)uchoops Wrote:  Iowa State beat UC in basketball..gotta be Tubbs fault

The only reason I'd want Mick out is for his own health. I still worry about that. Otherwise, the dude has done really well.

(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

Certainly he is not going anyone. We will still have a good year and hopefully it turns into a great year. Plus he has a good. recruiting class coming in so the future is promising.

I just have a problem with posters like you who go overboard with their fire Tubbs agenda and then cannot stomach any criticism of Mick at all.

(12-23-2015 01:13 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

Certainly he is not going anyone. We will still have a good year and hopefully it turns into a great year. Plus he has a good. recruiting class coming in so the future is promising.

I just have a problem with posters like you who go overboard with their fire Tubbs agenda and then cannot stomach any criticism of Mick at all.

I think he's been pointing out that Mick losing to top 10 teams doesn't really compare to the losses Tuberville has had. I happen to totally agree with him on that.

(12-23-2015 01:21 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:13 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

Certainly he is not going anyone. We will still have a good year and hopefully it turns into a great year. Plus he has a good. recruiting class coming in so the future is promising.

I just have a problem with posters like you who go overboard with their fire Tubbs agenda and then cannot stomach any criticism of Mick at all.

I think he's been pointing out that Mick losing to top 10 teams doesn't really compare to the losses Tuberville has had. I happen to totally agree with him on that.

I agree that those are not terrible losses but disappointing being home games however you have to agree that Bearcats#1 spews
his Tubbs venom to a nauseatingly level thread in and thread out. I hate the season we had and maybe a new coach right now might or might not be best. We also had some not so bad losses in football. We outplayed Memphis and Houston on road and probably deserved to win both games. Now the reply to this will be the bad South Florida loss but chances are the BB team will have a bad loss or two this year also.

(12-23-2015 01:40 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:21 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:13 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

Certainly he is not going anyone. We will still have a good year and hopefully it turns into a great year. Plus he has a good. recruiting class coming in so the future is promising.

I just have a problem with posters like you who go overboard with their fire Tubbs agenda and then cannot stomach any criticism of Mick at all.

I think he's been pointing out that Mick losing to top 10 teams doesn't really compare to the losses Tuberville has had. I happen to totally agree with him on that.

I agree that those are not terrible losses but disappointing being home games however you have to agree that Bearcats#1 spews
his Tubbs venom to a nauseatingly level thread in and thread out. I hate the season we had and maybe a new coach right now might or might not be best. We also had some not so bad losses in football. We outplayed Memphis and Houston on road and probably deserved to win both games. Now the reply to this will be the bad South Florida loss but chances are the BB team will have a bad loss or two this year also.

I'm not sure what the equivalent of the USF loss in basketball would be but if Mick achieves it he deserves to be under a ton of heat. We had some close losses in football but they weren't against top 10 teams. Houston being top 15 caliber being the 'best' loss we had. Otherwise we're feeling good about playing close with top 40ish programs. A far cry from the basketball program who is a regular in the top 25 (something the football team hasn't come close to under Tuberville). In this thread, you have Superfly talking about firing Mick if he doesn't get the elite 8, but staunchly supports Tuberville who has us routinely ranked in the 50s and 60s.

(12-23-2015 01:40 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:21 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:13 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

Certainly he is not going anyone. We will still have a good year and hopefully it turns into a great year. Plus he has a good. recruiting class coming in so the future is promising.

I just have a problem with posters like you who go overboard with their fire Tubbs agenda and then cannot stomach any criticism of Mick at all.

I think he's been pointing out that Mick losing to top 10 teams doesn't really compare to the losses Tuberville has had. I happen to totally agree with him on that.

I agree that those are not terrible losses but disappointing being home games however you have to agree that Bearcats#1 spews
his Tubbs venom to a nauseatingly level thread in and thread out. I hate the season we had and maybe a new coach right now might or might not be best. We also had some not so bad losses in football. We outplayed Memphis and Houston on road and probably deserved to win both games. Now the reply to this will be the bad South Florida loss but chances are the BB team will have a bad loss or two this year also.

Crewdogz pointed out on one of these threads that our fan base is fractured. I agree with him.

As it pertains to football, I think a lot of the hand-wringing we see from people has to with conference alignment. There are many who believe that UC has to basically win every game in order to get out of the AAC. I am not so sure we would have the angst if still lived in the world we did prior to 2011 (when Pitt, Syracuse and WVU bailed).

As for basketball, I think 60% of our fan base absolutely loves Mick. They think he is perfect for UC and one day the ball will one finally start bouncing in the right direction and Mick will lead us to national prominence. The other 40% of the fan base is ready to move on after 10 years of Mick Cronin at the helm. Not saying they are haters (some are) but many believe he has simply reached the ceiling in terms of what he can do here. Note: My numbers could be off by a few percentage points but I think I am fairly close to accurate.

You are correct though in pointing out that Mick receives much more leeway than Tuberville does. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact Mick is a local. If he were from Arkansas the natives would have called for his head year one and he would have been canned long before now.

(12-23-2015 02:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:40 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:21 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:13 PM)cincybb51 Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 11:04 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  anyone who says fire Mick if we dont make the elite eight is either being disingenuous or is a total moron. In the case of one particular poster I vote the latter.

Certainly he is not going anyone. We will still have a good year and hopefully it turns into a great year. Plus he has a good. recruiting class coming in so the future is promising.

I just have a problem with posters like you who go overboard with their fire Tubbs agenda and then cannot stomach any criticism of Mick at all.

I think he's been pointing out that Mick losing to top 10 teams doesn't really compare to the losses Tuberville has had. I happen to totally agree with him on that.

I agree that those are not terrible losses but disappointing being home games however you have to agree that Bearcats#1 spews
his Tubbs venom to a nauseatingly level thread in and thread out. I hate the season we had and maybe a new coach right now might or might not be best. We also had some not so bad losses in football. We outplayed Memphis and Houston on road and probably deserved to win both games. Now the reply to this will be the bad South Florida loss but chances are the BB team will have a bad loss or two this year also.

Crewdogz pointed out on one of these threads that our fan base is fractured. I agree with him.

As it pertains to football, I think a lot of the hand-wringing we see from people has to with conference alignment. There are many who believe that UC has to basically win every game in order to get out of the AAC. I am not so sure we would have the angst if still lived in the world we did prior to 2011 (when Pitt, Syracuse and WVU bailed).

As for basketball, I think 60% of our fan base absolutely loves Mick. They think he is perfect for UC and one day the ball will one finally start bouncing in the right direction and Mick will lead us to national prominence. The other 40% of the fan base is ready to move on after 10 years of Mick Cronin at the helm. Not saying they are haters (some are) but many believe he has simply reached the ceiling in terms of what he can do here. Note: My numbers could be off by a few percentage points but I think I am fairly close to accurate.

You are correct though in pointing out that Mick receives much more leeway than Tuberville does. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact Mick is a local. If he were from Arkansas the natives would have called for his head year one and he would have been canned long before now.

For me (I'm not originally from here so its not a factor where our coaches come from), with regard to Tuberville it's more about the fact he:

- Hasn't had us close to being ranked
- Hasn't beaten a ranked team
- Has several terrible losses
- Has gotten hammered by mediocre teams in bowl games (we'll see if he can change that tomorrow night)
- Has the program regressing in year 3

Those are the things that are putting Tuberville on a different plane for me. Cronin's flaws (and he has them) don't seem near as bad in my view.

It's not #1's fault that you people don't recognize his genius, even as he repeatedly smacks you in the face with it.




Fire tubbs.

(12-23-2015 02:06 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Crewdogz pointed out on one of these threads that our fan base is fractured. I agree with him.

As it pertains to football, I think a lot of the hand-wringing we see from people has to with conference alignment. There are many who believe that UC has to basically win every game in order to get out of the AAC. I am not so sure we would have the angst if still lived in the world we did prior to 2011 (when Pitt, Syracuse and WVU bailed).

As for basketball, I think 60% of our fan base absolutely loves Mick. They think he is perfect for UC and one day the ball will one finally start bouncing in the right direction and Mick will lead us to national prominence. The other 40% of the fan base is ready to move on after 10 years of Mick Cronin at the helm. Not saying they are haters (some are) but many believe he has simply reached the ceiling in terms of what he can do here. Note: My numbers could be off by a few percentage points but I think I am fairly close to accurate.

You are correct though in pointing out that Mick receives much more leeway than Tuberville does. I think a lot of that has to do with the fact Mick is a local. If he were from Arkansas the natives would have called for his head year one and he would have been canned long before now.

I agree except I think your percentages are backwards. If you base support for Mick on this message board's posters I can see how you think the majority are happy with Mick. But most of Mick's critics have been shouted down here and run off. Every UC fan I know personally is unhappy with Mick's performance. Not all want him fired but they all want to see changes.

We were hopeful at the beginning of the season that some had been made (especially with regard to offense). Now however it is back to the same old, same old.

The part of your quote I bolded mirrors a frequently heard opinion, "Mick is in over his head coaching at this level."

over the course of its years, cincinnati basketball has a had storied legacy, a legacy fortunately some here were present for. in its present incarnation, only a fool would demand that huggins' predecessor equal what he accomplished. he was, as the coin goes, lightning in a bottle. that success didn't carryover to the extent we were accustomed to but it feels pretty good in march when anything is possible. i'm not saying mick is or isn't the guy to lead us back but when he hugged yancy at the end of the fsu game to get us into the sweet 16, the journey wasn't lost on me.

predecessor

pred•e•ces•sor (prĕdˈĭ-sĕsˌər, prēˈdĭ-)

n. One who precedes another in time, especially in holding an office or position.
n. Something that has been succeeded by another: The new building is more spacious than its predecessor.
n. Archaic An ancestor; a forebear.

(12-23-2015 03:18 PM)gerhard911 Wrote:  predecessor

pred•e•ces•sor (prĕdˈĭ-sĕsˌər, prēˈdĭ-)

n. One who precedes another in time, especially in holding an office or position.
n. Something that has been succeeded by another: The new building is more spacious than its predecessor.
n. Archaic An ancestor; a forebear.

thank you for that eloquent critique of my post.

(12-23-2015 03:08 PM)Lush Wrote:  over the course of its years, cincinnati basketball has a had storied legacy, a legacy fortunately some here were present for. in its present incarnation, only a fool would demand that huggins' predecessor equal what he accomplished. he was, as the coin goes, lightning in a bottle. that success didn't carryover to the extent we were accustomed to but it feels pretty good in march when anything is possible. i'm not saying mick is or isn't the guy to lead us back but when he hugged yancy at the end of the fsu game to get us into the sweet 16, the journey wasn't lost on me.

I will always have an appreciation for Huggins because in the absence of a football program, he took the university to another level in terms of national recognition and pride in our university. Was he perfect? Heck no. I actually grew wary of some of his escapades and got tired of the characterizations that we were a bunch of thugs (deserved or not). I also remember that in addition to the successes, we tended to struggle in the tourney under his regime. I think change and moving on from under the "shadow" of Bob was ultimately a good thing.

That said, for me it's also about "the devil you know." Down here in my neck of the woods, many NC State fans have told me they wish NC State didn't get rid of Herb Sendek. During his 10 years at State he took them to the NCAA tourney 5 straight times over his last 5 seasons and won over 20 games (playing in the ACC) 5 times. His problem was he rarely beat Duke or UNC (but then again not many regularly beat those two teams) and never advanced beyond the Sweet 16. You could argue the same about Mick in terms of comparing tenures.

For me, I want to see how this season concludes including our 6th straight NCAA tourney. Mick also scored some big time points with me on how he handled the X brawl a few years back. That is not something quickly lost on me. My point is, if we boot Mick, who replaces him? Do we catch lighting in a bottle again, as Lush points out, or do we meander along or even take a step back? As a fan and alum I'm not ready to venture down that road...yet.