The idea that 18 and 17 year old kids should be forced to honor a verbal commitment is ridiculous. Was it upsetting the way Campbell left? Is it upsetting to see potentially talented players change their verbal commitments? Sure it is. However, the idea that they should be made to play under a head coach who didn't recruit them is silly. Selecting the right college is stressful enough for a regular student. I can't imagine what it is like for a football player capable of playing major college football. What if you were recruited to play under one system and the new head coach or coordinator wants to run another system. Do you really want players who are unhappy and don't want to be there playing for your school? Unless you are some major school that sells itself, players don't attend based on the school, they select schools based on the coaching staff. Players that decided to go to Iowa St, were never Toledo recruits. They were Campbell recruits. In the end, hopefully players end up with a decent degree and are able to make a good living. If a player takes a serious injury during his career, maybe the school rallies and gives him a nice wheelchair and honors him during a game, but at that point most of the people complaining about the recruiting process won't care or remember them anyway. So, if a player being recruited by Toledo, selects a different school, so be it. They don't owe your desires of being entertained or your dreams of building the program anything. They are making decisions based on their goals and dreams, not yours. If Candle is as good as some of you think and is as good as his salary, he should be able to recruit similar level players.

(12-20-2015 11:37 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The idea that 18 and 17 year old kids should be forced to honor a verbal commitment is ridiculous. Was it upsetting the way Campbell left? Is it upsetting to see potentially talented players change their verbal commitments? Sure it is. However, the idea that they should be made to play under a head coach who didn't recruit them is silly. Selecting the right college is stressful enough for a regular student. I can't imagine what it is like for a football player capable of playing major college football. What if you were recruited to play under one system and the new head coach or coordinator wants to run another system. Do you really want players who are unhappy and don't want to be there playing for your school? Unless you are some major school that sells itself, players don't attend based on the school, they select schools based on the coaching staff. Players that decided to go to Iowa St, were never Toledo recruits. They were Campbell recruits. In the end, hopefully players end up with a decent degree and are able to make a good living. If a player takes a serious injury during his career, maybe the school rallies and gives him a nice wheelchair and honors him during a game, but at that point most of the people complaining about the recruiting process won't care or remember them anyway. So, if a player being recruited by Toledo, selects a different school, so be it. They don't owe your desires of being entertained or your dreams of building the program anything. They are making decisions based on their goals and dreams, not yours. If Candle is as good as some of you think and is as good as his salary, he should be able to recruit similar level players.

We don't know if, Campbell or Candle recruited them, but I say we will win more games then ISU. I hope all the kids that go to ISU like watching the corn grow, because there isn't to much else to do out there.

I don't think they should be made to keep a verbal commitment. But departing coaches should not be allowed to actively pursue them. Especially at this time of the recruiting period. Meaning the bowl season or at least not until after the dead no contact time.

Didn't we just snag one from Virginia?

(12-20-2015 11:45 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:37 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The idea that 18 and 17 year old kids should be forced to honor a verbal commitment is ridiculous. Was it upsetting the way Campbell left? Is it upsetting to see potentially talented players change their verbal commitments? Sure it is. However, the idea that they should be made to play under a head coach who didn't recruit them is silly. Selecting the right college is stressful enough for a regular student. I can't imagine what it is like for a football player capable of playing major college football. What if you were recruited to play under one system and the new head coach or coordinator wants to run another system. Do you really want players who are unhappy and don't want to be there playing for your school? Unless you are some major school that sells itself, players don't attend based on the school, they select schools based on the coaching staff. Players that decided to go to Iowa St, were never Toledo recruits. They were Campbell recruits. In the end, hopefully players end up with a decent degree and are able to make a good living. If a player takes a serious injury during his career, maybe the school rallies and gives him a nice wheelchair and honors him during a game, but at that point most of the people complaining about the recruiting process won't care or remember them anyway. So, if a player being recruited by Toledo, selects a different school, so be it. They don't owe your desires of being entertained or your dreams of building the program anything. They are making decisions based on their goals and dreams, not yours. If Candle is as good as some of you think and is as good as his salary, he should be able to recruit similar level players.

We don't know if, Campbell or Candle recruited them, but I say we will win more games then ISU. I hope all the kids that go to ISU like watching the corn grow, because there isn't to much else to do out there.

I would have liked to see them play here and I would like to see Campbell not pursue them even if they decide to not play here but if they are asking him to offer them there and he decides to do so I can't argue that is wrong because they need to be allowed to change not that Campbell has left. The ones that more wanted to play for UT and not Campbell will end up staying and the others we are better of without.

(12-20-2015 11:45 AM)FrickerRon Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:37 AM)falconplucker Wrote:  The idea that 18 and 17 year old kids should be forced to honor a verbal commitment is ridiculous. Was it upsetting the way Campbell left? Is it upsetting to see potentially talented players change their verbal commitments? Sure it is. However, the idea that they should be made to play under a head coach who didn't recruit them is silly. Selecting the right college is stressful enough for a regular student. I can't imagine what it is like for a football player capable of playing major college football. What if you were recruited to play under one system and the new head coach or coordinator wants to run another system. Do you really want players who are unhappy and don't want to be there playing for your school? Unless you are some major school that sells itself, players don't attend based on the school, they select schools based on the coaching staff. Players that decided to go to Iowa St, were never Toledo recruits. They were Campbell recruits. In the end, hopefully players end up with a decent degree and are able to make a good living. If a player takes a serious injury during his career, maybe the school rallies and gives him a nice wheelchair and honors him during a game, but at that point most of the people complaining about the recruiting process won't care or remember them anyway. So, if a player being recruited by Toledo, selects a different school, so be it. They don't owe your desires of being entertained or your dreams of building the program anything. They are making decisions based on their goals and dreams, not yours. If Candle is as good as some of you think and is as good as his salary, he should be able to recruit similar level players.

We don't know if, Campbell or Candle recruited them, but I say we will win more games then ISU. I hope all the kids that go to ISU like watching the corn grow, because there isn't to much else to do out there.

Lots of biking and storm cellar drills . . .

Aimes is actually a nice college town with a population of about 60K.

(12-20-2015 01:20 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Didn't we just snag one from Virginia?

He decommitted from Virginia a few days before committing to Toledo. First UVA fired their HC, then the coach that recruited him there left for Syracuse. He decommitted from UVA at that point and opened his recruitment back up. Syracuse offered him an offer right away, but he decided to commit to Toledo instead, who had been recruiting him for a long time. Jason Candle and Derek Sage (WR Coach at UT) had been recruiting him to Toledo before he even committed to Virginia.

My thoughts...

Campbell's a jagoff. Good luck to the kids going to ISU - didn't know them before, not going to care about them going forward.

(12-20-2015 02:39 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 01:20 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Didn't we just snag one from Virginia?

He decommitted from Virginia a few days before committing to Toledo. First UVA fired their HC, then the coach that recruited him there left for Syracuse. He decommitted from UVA at that point and opened his recruitment back up. Syracuse offered him an offer right away, but he decided to commit to Toledo instead, who had been recruiting him for a long time. Jason Candle and Derek Sage (WR Coach at UT) had been recruiting him to Toledo before he even committed to Virginia.

I'd posted on the other thread, the website said Sage was at Wyoming. How long has he been at UT?

What it comes down to, is it worth it to Campbell to sign a few Toledo commits and have many Rocket fans change their opinion of him 180 degrees. If so, that's OK. But if a school gave me my first head coaching job, I would do anything to leave on the best possible terms. I think it's called integrity.

(12-20-2015 03:59 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  What it comes down to, is it worth it to Campbell to sign a few Toledo commits and have many Rocket fans change their opinion of him 180 degrees. If so, that's OK. But if a school gave me my first head coaching job, I would do anything to leave on the best possible terms. I think it's called integrity.

Campbell'$ proce$$ trump$ Integrity...

What it comes down to, is it worth it to Campbell to sign a few Toledo commits and wave many Rocket fans change their opinion of him 180 degrees. If so, that's OK. But if a school gave me my first head coaching job, I would do anything to leave on the best possible terms. I think it's called integrity.
Amen! Matt Campbell is a huge disappointment to me but I guess that money justifies anything to some people. What goes around comes around and my bet is that Matt suffers the same fate as Beckman in a few years.

I have no problem with a kid decommitting from Toledo after MC left, and I have no problem with if that same kid decides to follow MC to ISU. But for MC to actively pursue any player who is still committed to Toledo is pretty sad. If I recall correctly, after Babers took the Syracuse job he said that, out of respect to the progam that gave him his first chance as a head coach in D1, he would not go after any player commited to BGSU.

Recruiting is very tough at Iowa State. There are no population centers to draw from and blue chip Iowa HS players are going to go to Iowa. And as an ISU fan said, when the Cyclones go to Texas and Florida looking for players, they are always "the last dog to the bowl." MC says he wants to use his recruiting contacts in OH, MI, and PA to give those prospects as "Big 12 option." But what quality player from OH, MI, or PA is going to pass up a chance to play in the B1G to play far away in the middle of nowhere for a habitual loser like Iowa State.

It looks like Campbell has decided that if he has to screw over UT, so be it. I thought he was better than that, but I guess I was wrong.

(12-20-2015 05:19 PM)Henry Burlingame Wrote:  I have no problem with a kid decommitting from Toledo after MC left, and I have no problem with if that same kid decides to follow MC to ISU. But for MC to actively pursue any player who is still committed to Toledo is pretty sad. If I recall correctly, after Babers took the Syracuse job he said that, out of respect to the progam that gave him his first chance as a head coach in D1, he would not go after any player commited to BGSU.

Recruiting is very tough at Iowa State. There are no population centers to draw from and blue chip Iowa HS players are going to go to Iowa. And as an ISU fan said, when the Cyclones go to Texas and Florida looking for players, they are always "the last dog to the bowl." MC says he wants to use his recruiting contacts in OH, MI, and PA to give those prospects as "Big 12 option." But what quality player from OH, MI, or PA is going to pass up a chance to play in the B1G to play far away in the middle of nowhere for a habitual loser like Iowa State.

It looks like Campbell has decided that if he has to screw over UT, so be it. I thought he was better than that, but I guess I was wrong.

I tried to say the exact same thing earlier in this tread you said it better than I did.