(12-21-2015 03:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Also...

TV execs want no part of Jonesboro and if you're smart neither do you.

At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

There is a scenario in which I could be okay with sharing a conference, I'd love to see a tight footprint with a focus on natural rivals and if that could include stAte and Memphis as a package deal, I'd be on board.

I think the way it might wind up is that the Go5 and FCS schools might want to go with tighter footprints which includes AAC and MWC. We could see a Northwest Conference form involving the Big Sky, MWC and in the future some D2 GNAC schools.

Northwest:
Eastern Washington
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State
Utah State
BYU
Weber State
UNR
Western Oregon
Simon Fraser
Central Washington

Southwest:
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Hawaii
UNLV
Northern Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State
Southern Utah
Dixie State
Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Northridge State, San Diego U., Cal-Irvine, Cal-Riverside, East Bay State, and so forth could add football and join them. Plus there could be a new D2 Hawaii football program in a few years.

Southern Plains:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
West Texas A&M
North Texas
SMU
Rice
Houston
Lamar
Central Oklahoma
Wichita State
Missouri State

Northern Plains:
Colorado State
Northern Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Mankato State
Omaha (people are still pissed that they dropped football and wrestling which were both popular sports for that school.)

You do see where I am going with this? It would be by regions.

No need to expand until someone leaves.

12 is the optimal number. We are only at 14 to guard against defections.

(12-21-2015 03:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Also...

TV execs want no part of Jonesboro and if you're smart neither do you.

At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

There is a scenario in which I could be okay with sharing a conference, I'd love to see a tight footprint with a focus on natural rivals and if that could include stAte and Memphis as a package deal, I'd be on board.

I think the way it might wind up is that the Go5 and FCS schools might want to go with tighter footprints which includes AAC and MWC. We could see a Northwest Conference form involving the Big Sky, MWC and in the future some D2 GNAC schools.

Northwest:
Eastern Washington
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State
Utah State
BYU
Weber State
UNR
Western Oregon
Simon Fraser
Central Washington

Southwest:
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Hawaii
UNLV
Northern Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State
Southern Utah
Dixie State
Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Northridge State, San Diego U., Cal-Irvine, Cal-Riverside, East Bay State, and so forth could add football and join them. Plus there could be a new D2 Hawaii football program in a few years.

Southern Plains:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
West Texas A&M
North Texas
SMU
Rice
Houston
Lamar
Central Oklahoma
Wichita State
Missouri State

Northern Plains:
Colorado State
Northern Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Mankato State
Omaha (people are still pissed that they dropped football and wrestling which were both popular sports for that school.)

You do see where I am going with this? It would be by regions.

Would love to see the faces of the Colorado State athletic department when told that they're going to be part of a conference consisting of Wyoming and a bunch of FCS and D-2 schools.

(12-20-2015 02:25 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  We should be looking for ways to contract instead of adding more teams that no one cares about to further dilute our already limited revenue.

ya, cause that's what all the conferences are doing....

(12-20-2015 11:50 AM)GCEagle Wrote:  It's not even the offseason and the realignment whack jobs are coming out.

If you don't like it, why bother to read the thread?

If I were C-USA, I'd be looking at 4 programs....

New Mexico
Colorado State
NIU
Appalachian State

I'd run the #s on them and see how much $$$ they would add.

The Mountain West isn't what it once was....when you take Boise State out, it's really not an appealing league...Utah State has gained ground, and San Diego State, Colorado State and New Mexico are good programs. If you told New Mexico or Colorado State that they could make more money and play in a Southwest division, what would they do?

NIU is a growing program, and one day they could look for greener pastures besides a very regional-locked conference

A-State (I like to call them that) is growing up the ranks much like Marshall, Western Kentucky, Boise State, South Florida, etc. They would be a good addition...might need to grow a little more

(12-21-2015 03:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Also...

TV execs want no part of Jonesboro and if you're smart neither do you.

At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

There is a scenario in which I could be okay with sharing a conference, I'd love to see a tight footprint with a focus on natural rivals and if that could include stAte and Memphis as a package deal, I'd be on board.

I think the way it might wind up is that the Go5 and FCS schools might want to go with tighter footprints which includes AAC and MWC. We could see a Northwest Conference form involving the Big Sky, MWC and in the future some D2 GNAC schools.

Northwest:
Eastern Washington
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State
Utah State
BYU
Weber State
UNR
Western Oregon
Simon Fraser
Central Washington

Southwest:
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Hawaii
UNLV
Northern Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State
Southern Utah
Dixie State
Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Northridge State, San Diego U., Cal-Irvine, Cal-Riverside, East Bay State, and so forth could add football and join them. Plus there could be a new D2 Hawaii football program in a few years.

Southern Plains:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
West Texas A&M
North Texas
SMU
Rice
Houston
Lamar
Central Oklahoma
Wichita State
Missouri State

Northern Plains:
Colorado State
Northern Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Mankato State
Omaha (people are still pissed that they dropped football and wrestling which were both popular sports for that school.)

You do see where I am going with this? It would be by regions.

I mean I see where you are going, but I can't even remotely understand how you could possibly believe over half those schools will ever sniff FBS football or even some new G5/FCS division(that others may fear is coming, I do not share that fear).

(12-20-2015 12:27 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:41 AM)SApuro Wrote:  Too many mouths to feed.

Its only expansion for football. All other sports it would be less teams per conference. Each division of football would essentially have its own auto bid for basketball.

All other sports would have to be in the same conference as football. A division of a conference can to receive an auto bid for basketball.

To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

(12-21-2015 03:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  If I were C-USA, I'd be looking at 4 programs....

New Mexico
Colorado State
NIU
Appalachian State

I'd run the #s on them and see how much $$$ they would add.

The Mountain West isn't what it once was....when you take Boise State out, it's really not an appealing league...Utah State has gained ground, and San Diego State, Colorado State and New Mexico are good programs. If you told New Mexico or Colorado State that they could make more money and play in a Southwest division, what would they do?

NIU is a growing program, and one day they could look for greener pastures besides a very regional-locked conference

A-State (I like to call them that) is growing up the ranks much like Marshall, Western Kentucky, Boise State, South Florida, etc. They would be a good addition...might need to grow a little more

I would actually like that. I just don't think we could pull it off. The one thing we would have going for us would be how the MWC currently distributes tv money. No doubt our process is more fair.

New Mexico might be closer to UTEP and the other TX schools. With the better/more stable TV money, they might would come.

Colorado St would never come without Air Force which I would also invite if they wanted to come. Which in turn would leave the last 2 slots available as NIU and App St.

NIU would be good. I think their administration would approve it, and I think their fans would end up liking it better, even though they would never admit that. I really do think they could have a chance to grow their football program in CUSA. I give them a hard time, but it would be very hard to show up on Tuesday night to watch your team play Eastern Michigan in conference. Just doing away with mid week games would help them.

App St would be a good get, and would make the move in a heart beat. They are a former FCS rival of Marshall and I would love to see them join our conference. They are like Marshall, a football first kind of school.

(12-21-2015 04:21 PM)FlyHawk98 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  If I were C-USA, I'd be looking at 4 programs....

New Mexico
Colorado State
NIU
Appalachian State

I'd run the #s on them and see how much $$$ they would add.

The Mountain West isn't what it once was....when you take Boise State out, it's really not an appealing league...Utah State has gained ground, and San Diego State, Colorado State and New Mexico are good programs. If you told New Mexico or Colorado State that they could make more money and play in a Southwest division, what would they do?

NIU is a growing program, and one day they could look for greener pastures besides a very regional-locked conference

A-State (I like to call them that) is growing up the ranks much like Marshall, Western Kentucky, Boise State, South Florida, etc. They would be a good addition...might need to grow a little more

I would actually like that. I just don't think we could pull it off. The one thing we would have going for us would be how the MWC currently distributes tv money. No doubt our process is more fair.

New Mexico might be closer to UTEP and the other TX schools. With the better/more stable TV money, they might would come.

Colorado St would never come without Air Force which I would also invite if they wanted to come. Which in turn would leave the last 2 slots available as NIU and App St.

NIU would be good. I think their administration would approve it, and I think their fans would end up liking it better, even though they would never admit that. I really do think they could have a chance to grow their football program in CUSA. I give them a hard time, but it would be very hard to show up on Tuesday night to watch your team play Eastern Michigan in conference. Just doing away with mid week games would help them.

App St would be a good get, and would make the move in a heart beat. They are a former FCS rival of Marshall and I would love to see them join our conference. They are like Marshall, a football first kind of school.

Seeing App in CUSA would be fun, only if GaSo would move too. I'd hate to lose that rivalry. AppSt., Marshall, GaSo all in one conference would be a damn blast. SoCon bros4lyf

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

That's the best thing I've ever seen. Selfishly, those schools would be big draws for us at home.

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

Replace East Carolina with Coastal Carolina and call it quits.

(12-21-2015 02:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:00 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Also...

TV execs want no part of Jonesboro and if you're smart neither do you.

At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

There is a scenario in which I could be okay with sharing a conference, I'd love to see a tight footprint with a focus on natural rivals and if that could include stAte and Memphis as a package deal, I'd be on board.

I think the way it might wind up is that the Go5 and FCS schools might want to go with tighter footprints which includes AAC and MWC. We could see a Northwest Conference form involving the Big Sky, MWC and in the future some D2 GNAC schools.

Northwest:
Eastern Washington
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State
Utah State
BYU
Weber State
UNR
Western Oregon
Simon Fraser
Central Washington

Southwest:
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Hawaii
UNLV
Northern Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State
Southern Utah
Dixie State
Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Northridge State, San Diego U., Cal-Irvine, Cal-Riverside, East Bay State, and so forth could add football and join them. Plus there could be a new D2 Hawaii football program in a few years.

Southern Plains:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
West Texas A&M
North Texas
SMU
Rice
Houston
Lamar
Central Oklahoma
Wichita State
Missouri State

Northern Plains:
Colorado State
Northern Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Mankato State
Omaha (people are still pissed that they dropped football and wrestling which were both popular sports for that school.)

You do see where I am going with this? It would be by regions.

Would love to see the faces of the Colorado State athletic department when told that they're going to be part of a conference consisting of Wyoming and a bunch of FCS and D-2 schools.

Colorado State and Northern Colorado were rivals in the old RMAC which was a D1 type conference with Colorado, Utah and Montana State at the same time.
Colorado State might like the idea of competing against the Dakota schools. Especially with North Dakota State.
Having Omaha re-starting football could bring another large tv market in.
Northern Iowa have been strong against FBS P5 opponents.
Minnesota does need another school in D1. It could be three schools. Makato State, Minn.-Duluth or St. Cloud State. Mankato is the strongest.

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

As I pointed out, I drew that one up before ECU had left, this conference isn't happning regardless, but I realize that if all 15 other schools were on board, ECU(or any AAC school) isn't coming through that door.

If AAC schools were on the table I'd have a few more changes.

(12-21-2015 04:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 02:49 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:44 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:04 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 09:22 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At some point, TV execs are going to be providing so little G5 money it's not going to matter who is in what league. That is ultimately when the next G5 realignment will start.

There is a scenario in which I could be okay with sharing a conference, I'd love to see a tight footprint with a focus on natural rivals and if that could include stAte and Memphis as a package deal, I'd be on board.

I think the way it might wind up is that the Go5 and FCS schools might want to go with tighter footprints which includes AAC and MWC. We could see a Northwest Conference form involving the Big Sky, MWC and in the future some D2 GNAC schools.

Northwest:
Eastern Washington
Boise State
Idaho
Idaho State
Portland State
Utah State
BYU
Weber State
UNR
Western Oregon
Simon Fraser
Central Washington

Southwest:
Fresno State
San Diego State
San Jose State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Sacramento State
Hawaii
UNLV
Northern Arizona
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State
Southern Utah
Dixie State
Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Northridge State, San Diego U., Cal-Irvine, Cal-Riverside, East Bay State, and so forth could add football and join them. Plus there could be a new D2 Hawaii football program in a few years.

Southern Plains:
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UTEP
Texas State
UTSA
West Texas A&M
North Texas
SMU
Rice
Houston
Lamar
Central Oklahoma
Wichita State
Missouri State

Northern Plains:
Colorado State
Northern Colorado
Wyoming
Montana
Montana State
North Dakota
North Dakota State
South Dakota
South Dakota State
Northern Iowa
Mankato State
Omaha (people are still pissed that they dropped football and wrestling which were both popular sports for that school.)

You do see where I am going with this? It would be by regions.

Would love to see the faces of the Colorado State athletic department when told that they're going to be part of a conference consisting of Wyoming and a bunch of FCS and D-2 schools.

Colorado State and Northern Colorado were rivals in the old RMAC which was a D1 type conference with Colorado, Utah and Montana State at the same time.
Colorado State might like the idea of competing against the Dakota schools. Especially with North Dakota State.
Having Omaha re-starting football could bring another large tv market in.
Northern Iowa have been strong against FBS P5 opponents.
Minnesota does need another school in D1. It could be three schools. Makato State, Minn.-Duluth or St. Cloud State. Mankato is the strongest.

I like your work, it's funny. Colorado State left the RMAC in 1937.

(12-21-2015 04:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

Replace East Carolina with Coastal Carolina and call it quits.

Gross. Replace ECU with LT. Replace South Alabama or Troy with Arkansas State (no need for 3 teams in one state). Replace Ohio with U of Louisiana-Laf (Ohio isn't going to leave the MAC).

(12-21-2015 05:19 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

Replace East Carolina with Coastal Carolina and call it quits.

Gross. Replace ECU with LT. Replace South Alabama or Troy with Arkansas State (no need for 3 teams in one state). Replace Ohio with U of Louisiana-Laf (Ohio isn't going to leave the MAC).

The focus was almost entirely on tight geography and pairings(GS and GSU at 210 miles being the latgest gap between pairs) which LT and Louisiana both go against.

And Arkansas State over USA is hilarious

(12-21-2015 05:19 PM)Old Dominion Navy Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:40 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  To be clear, when I say I could go for a small regional conference built around traditional rivals, I mean something more like this:


(this was the last time I made of existing CUSA/SBC/FCS, it was before ECU had announced their departure)

I did not mean I wanted to share a conference with UT-Martin, Suwanee, Austin Peay, Trivecca, and Riverdale High School or whatever nutty "regional" conference you would have suggested for the southeast.

This would actually be a really good conference!

From what I hear, there is tension between the Texas schools and the other schools in C-USA....this would solve a lot of problems

Good luck getting East Carolina though....

Replace East Carolina with Coastal Carolina and call it quits.

Gross. Replace ECU with LT. Replace South Alabama or Troy with Arkansas State (no need for 3 teams in one state). Replace Ohio with U of Louisiana-Laf (Ohio isn't going to leave the MAC).

If you want a "realistic" fix that solves ECU, Ohio and 3 Alabama schools while still respecting a tight pootprint, drop ECU, Ohio, and Troy, add Louisiana and shift UAB to the north and stay at 14.

But why are we even talking about "realistic" in this obviously hypothetical scenario? Who says Ohio wouldn't join? They have a historic rivalry with Marshall and would be joining a better league. So let's just drop ECU and Troy and not add or shift anyone and stay at 14...in this conference that has 0 chance of forming with or without any of your objections.