(12-21-2015 12:16 AM)Dman Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big Sky who can compete at FBS levels from history?
Portland State
Eastern Washington
Montana
Montana State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
North Dakota
Weber State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Plau Azusa Pacific at D2 have upset FCS schools from the Big Sky in the past.

Big South
Liberty football have upset some G5 schools in the past couple of years. I could point out how strong Kennesaw State was this year as well. They started out the right way by going the Club team route to build their program up first to get practice in. They could be the next South Alabama and Old Dominion in the FBS.

The whole CAA could compete against the ACC very well. It is like their national rivals. I could see Villanova move their football to the Patriot League.

Florida A&M, Delaware State both at one point interested to join the FBS ranks. I could see Howard, Hampton, NC A&T likes might want to experiment to join FBS.

The whole MVFC with Wichita State and New Mexico State plus a West Texas A&M in the future might work out. West Texas A&M could be a travel partner for New Mexico State.

NEC Central Conn. State might be good for a G5 slot. Could be a part of the CAA in the future. Just depends if the CAA basketball schools leave to form a conference or move to the NEC or A10 conferences, and move the football schools into the CAA. Trade schools out.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky and Tennessee State might try it. North Alabama that is rumored to go here can join them in FBS in the future.

Fordham and Holy Cross could move up.

Dayton mentioned FBS. They want into a better conference for their basketball program, but the Big East do not want them. Joining the FBS ranks and getting into like C-USA or AAC might be a goal for them.

McNeese State, Lamar, Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas could compete well with FBS schools.

Chattanooga, Western Carolina, Furman and The Citadel have done well against FBS.

Alabama State and Jackson State might do well. The game between Alabama State and Tuskegee draws FBS type of crowds.

Eastern Michigan, Idaho, New Mexico State, Kent State, Ball State and San Jose State draws small crowds. They should drop down.

Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Cal-Riverside, Cal-Irvine, Northridge State, Cal-San Diego, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Milwaukee, Texas-RGV, Texas A&M-C.C., Little Rock, UTA, SIU-Edwardsville and some other D1 schools could start or re-start football in the future.

original question was "Is there a school you think would be more successful in the FBS as opposed to the FCS? This includes their recent success, strong attendance, a thriving and traveling fan based, and willingness to grow. "

That is why I mentioned these schools. The FCS schools that hosted G5 and P5 schools of the FBS had the most people in their stands. These schools have more success than a school like Georgia State. Eastern Washington fans are like Boise State right now. They do travel. They had more fans in the FCS Championship game than Sam Houston State. This is why schools like Washington, Washington State and others play there in Cheney, Washington because of their fans.

Move the Big Sky to FBS and the Sun Belt to FCS for travel.

I said this elsewhere, but the MAC ought to move, as a conference, to FCS... Facilities and fan bases are all more similar to FCS and if they moved as a conference they'd keep their traditions, relationships, and rivalries intact.

"original question was "Is there a school you think would be more successful in the FBS as opposed to the FCS? This includes their recent success, strong attendance, a thriving and traveling fan based, and willingness to grow. "

I don't think any school that is currently FBS would be "more successful" if they dropped to FCS. A majority of the candidates like Idaho, NMSU, Kent St, Eastern Mich, Ball St, LaLa/LaMo already play in conferences made up mostly of other FCS "Move Ups". If they were to drop down they would lose schollies and have have to drop a couple women's sports to. They would lose the FBS Champion ship pay outs, $$ for ooc P5 games, media coverage, and worse TV deals than they already have.

To assume that they would do better with fewer schollies against teams that are all waiting to move up them selves is absurd. Teams that drop down might win 1 or 2 additional games but nothing that would instantly make them successful. Idaho and NMSU (with their current team scholarship levels) would be lucky to be 6-6 in the Big Sky this year. Take away the scholarships, 20% of their budget and current coaching staff and they would be considered lucky to be .500.

FCS is not a quick fix for these programs, bad football is bad football no matter where you play it.

(12-20-2015 07:29 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 07:03 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 01:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  I know this idea may not be popular, but I believe the service academies would be better suited for FCS. All 3 of them.

Army, Navy, AFA

They really can't compete in women's sports and are limited in what they can do in men's sports. The football teams are stuck running the triple option forever. The basketball team for Navy has a height limit.

Army especially seems over-matched.

AFA turned down an all-sports invite to the Big12 because they knew they could not compete. That should tell you right there they should move down a level.

Idaho, Wyoming, AFA all would be better off in the Big Sky.

Army lost 7 games by 6 points or less. We can compete. Besides, our presence adds spice to the stew of college athletics.

Air Force and Navy have been remarkably competitive.

Please think before you post.

thanks for the feedback. Now I would appreciate it if you now try to understand my original point. That there are imitations in the conferences they can join and limitations in the way they can compete. It invites the question are they in or not? Its a legitimate question that is worth asking.

So? The academics aren't looking to join a P5 conference. They still have plenty of visibility without it.

(12-21-2015 10:13 AM)Crommy50 Wrote:  "original question was "Is there a school you think would be more successful in the FBS as opposed to the FCS? This includes their recent success, strong attendance, a thriving and traveling fan based, and willingness to grow. "

I don't think any school that is currently FBS would be "more successful" if they dropped to FCS. A majority of the candidates like Idaho, NMSU, Kent St, Eastern Mich, Ball St, LaLa/LaMo already play in conferences made up mostly of other FCS "Move Ups". If they were to drop down they would lose schollies and have have to drop a couple women's sports to. They would lose the FBS Champion ship pay outs, $$ for ooc P5 games, media coverage, and worse TV deals than they already have.

To assume that they would do better with fewer schollies against teams that are all waiting to move up them selves is absurd. Teams that drop down might win 1 or 2 additional games but nothing that would instantly make them successful. Idaho and NMSU (with their current team scholarship levels) would be lucky to be 6-6 in the Big Sky this year. Take away the scholarships, 20% of their budget and current coaching staff and they would be considered lucky to be .500.

FCS is not a quick fix for these programs, bad football is bad football no matter where you play it.

I agree that the MAC schools would not be better off in FCS but the MAC is not mostly made up of move ups. Most of the MAC has been playing at the highest level before the split and were playing at the pervious highest level for a while before that. If we were talking about the 90s on current MAC members would only include Buffalo as a move up.

(12-21-2015 08:42 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  I said this elsewhere, but the MAC ought to move, as a conference, to FCS... Facilities and fan bases are all more similar to FCS and if they moved as a conference they'd keep their traditions, relationships, and rivalries intact.

Meh. Someone has to be at the bottom (it's not the MAC). If you decide to make that cut, who's next?

(12-20-2015 01:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  I know this idea may not be popular, but I believe the service academies would be better suited for FCS. All 3 of them.

Army, Navy, AFA

They really can't compete in women's sports and are limited in what they can do in men's sports. The football teams are stuck running the triple option forever. The basketball team for Navy has a height limit.

Army especially seems over-matched.

AFA turned down an all-sports invite to the Big12 because they knew they could not compete. That should tell you right there they should move down a level.

Idaho, Wyoming, AFA all would be better off in the Big Sky.

Don't you mean, blessed with the option?


I say we make the MAC a power conference.

(12-20-2015 12:48 PM)goofus Wrote:  Lets get the obvious ones out of the way.

Better fit for FCS
Idaho, NMSU, LA-Mo, EMU

Idaho could slide easily into the Big Sky
ULM could easily fit into the Southland.

The other two? They can't go to FCS easily.
NMSU would never get the votes for the Southland because of travel costs and the Big Sky doesn't do anything to improve NMSU's travel vs the WAC/Sun Belt membership they have AND they lose the home/home deals with New Mexico and UTEP. FCS just isn't viable for NMSU.

EMU wouldn't experience any major savings going FCS. They would have to drop all the way to Division II and join the Great Lakes to have any real savings and that's the only Division II league that would be a fit.

(12-21-2015 06:31 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Move the Big Sky to FBS and the Sun Belt to FCS for travel.

Pass. AState happens to like hosting schools like Mizzou, Miami (FL), Tulsa, SMU, Utah State, and Toledo.

We wouldn't experience any notable savings in travel. The Texas and Louisiana schools could cut travel in the Southland but AState isn't close enough to enough schools.

I would say most of the G4 minus Boise State should consider dropping down. It would make college athletics so much easier especially football.

(12-23-2015 01:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 06:31 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Move the Big Sky to FBS and the Sun Belt to FCS for travel.

Pass. AState happens to like hosting schools like Mizzou, Miami (FL), Tulsa, SMU, Utah State, and Toledo.

We wouldn't experience any notable savings in travel. The Texas and Louisiana schools could cut travel in the Southland but AState isn't close enough to enough schools.

Southland have Central Arkansas, NW La. State, are close. Delta State, Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are considered Southland bound if all three could move up. This would renew the rivalry games between Central Arkansas and Arkansas Tech. Those 2, UAPB and Little Rock were in the same conference at one time that was completely made up of Arkansas schools.

(12-20-2015 05:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:33 PM)Dman Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 03:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 02:35 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  I don't see anyone dropping to FCS voluntarily, maybe Idaho if the Sun Belt doesn't renew their football only deal and they can't make a go of it as a Western indy. The cost cuts from going FCS do not offset the much larger cuts in revenue that come with it, plus the much lower level of exposure makes it hard to justify. If you're going to drop, you may as well drop to D-II or kill football altogether.

There's at least 30 FCS schools that could make a go of it in FBS, but there's not many slots left. See the Big Sky, MVC, and CAA moving up if given the chance.

30, no way.
NDSU yes

If the MAC was FCS right now, two schools would be FBS candidates: NIU and Toledo. Ohio would be honorable mention. Portland St, Sac St, UCDavis, Cal Poly, Stony Brook, Albany, Youngstown St, Delaware are at least as capable of FBS as FIU and FAU were.

Appy St should have been FBS thirty years ago. They and Ga So simmered too long in FCS.

Ohio's an honorable mention? Are you kidding me? Ohio has gone 76-53 in the last 10 seasons. Been to 7 bowl games. Been bowl eligible for 7 straight seasons.

And it took App State (a team you feel should have been in hte FBS thirty years ago) a field goal as time expired to beat us in the Camellia Bowl.

Ohio drop down to FCS? No thank you

(12-23-2015 10:08 AM)BobcatEngineer Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 05:35 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 04:33 PM)Dman Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 03:34 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 02:35 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  I don't see anyone dropping to FCS voluntarily, maybe Idaho if the Sun Belt doesn't renew their football only deal and they can't make a go of it as a Western indy. The cost cuts from going FCS do not offset the much larger cuts in revenue that come with it, plus the much lower level of exposure makes it hard to justify. If you're going to drop, you may as well drop to D-II or kill football altogether.

There's at least 30 FCS schools that could make a go of it in FBS, but there's not many slots left. See the Big Sky, MVC, and CAA moving up if given the chance.

30, no way.
NDSU yes

If the MAC was FCS right now, two schools would be FBS candidates: NIU and Toledo. Ohio would be honorable mention. Portland St, Sac St, UCDavis, Cal Poly, Stony Brook, Albany, Youngstown St, Delaware are at least as capable of FBS as FIU and FAU were.

Appy St should have been FBS thirty years ago. They and Ga So simmered too long in FCS.

Ohio's an honorable mention? Are you kidding me? Ohio has gone 76-53 in the last 10 seasons. Been to 7 bowl games. Been bowl eligible for 7 straight seasons.

And it took App State (a team you feel should have been in hte FBS thirty years ago) a field goal as time expired to beat us in the Camellia Bowl.

Ohio drop down to FCS? No thank you

That is why I said Ohio U. deserves a better conference than the MAC at the FBS level. You guys need to be rewarded for how far you came to be where you are at.

(12-23-2015 04:17 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 01:52 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 06:31 AM)David Krysakowski Wrote:  Move the Big Sky to FBS and the Sun Belt to FCS for travel.

Pass. AState happens to like hosting schools like Mizzou, Miami (FL), Tulsa, SMU, Utah State, and Toledo.

We wouldn't experience any notable savings in travel. The Texas and Louisiana schools could cut travel in the Southland but AState isn't close enough to enough schools.

Southland have Central Arkansas, NW La. State, are close. Delta State, Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Tech are considered Southland bound if all three could move up. This would renew the rivalry games between Central Arkansas and Arkansas Tech. Those 2, UAPB and Little Rock were in the same conference at one time that was completely made up of Arkansas schools.

The AIC folded in 1995. Pine Bluff left in 1987 after two stints that totaled less than 6 years, Little Rock left in 1977 after 16 years. The only real AIC rivalry that has ended was Tech-UCA.

(12-21-2015 03:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 12:16 AM)Dman Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big Sky who can compete at FBS levels from history?
Portland State
Eastern Washington
Montana
Montana State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
North Dakota
Weber State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Plau Azusa Pacific at D2 have upset FCS schools from the Big Sky in the past.

Big South
Liberty football have upset some G5 schools in the past couple of years. I could point out how strong Kennesaw State was this year as well. They started out the right way by going the Club team route to build their program up first to get practice in. They could be the next South Alabama and Old Dominion in the FBS.

The whole CAA could compete against the ACC very well. It is like their national rivals. I could see Villanova move their football to the Patriot League.

Florida A&M, Delaware State both at one point interested to join the FBS ranks. I could see Howard, Hampton, NC A&T likes might want to experiment to join FBS.

The whole MVFC with Wichita State and New Mexico State plus a West Texas A&M in the future might work out. West Texas A&M could be a travel partner for New Mexico State.

NEC Central Conn. State might be good for a G5 slot. Could be a part of the CAA in the future. Just depends if the CAA basketball schools leave to form a conference or move to the NEC or A10 conferences, and move the football schools into the CAA. Trade schools out.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky and Tennessee State might try it. North Alabama that is rumored to go here can join them in FBS in the future.

Fordham and Holy Cross could move up.

Dayton mentioned FBS. They want into a better conference for their basketball program, but the Big East do not want them. Joining the FBS ranks and getting into like C-USA or AAC might be a goal for them.

McNeese State, Lamar, Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas could compete well with FBS schools.

Chattanooga, Western Carolina, Furman and The Citadel have done well against FBS.

Alabama State and Jackson State might do well. The game between Alabama State and Tuskegee draws FBS type of crowds.

Eastern Michigan, Idaho, New Mexico State, Kent State, Ball State and San Jose State draws small crowds. They should drop down.

Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Cal-Riverside, Cal-Irvine, Northridge State, Cal-San Diego, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Milwaukee, Texas-RGV, Texas A&M-C.C., Little Rock, UTA, SIU-Edwardsville and some other D1 schools could start or re-start football in the future.

original question was "Is there a school you think would be more successful in the FBS as opposed to the FCS? This includes their recent success, strong attendance, a thriving and traveling fan based, and willingness to grow. "

That is why I mentioned these schools. The FCS schools that hosted G5 and P5 schools of the FBS had the most people in their stands. These schools have more success than a school like Georgia State. Eastern Washington fans are like Boise State right now. They do travel. They had more fans in the FCS Championship game than Sam Houston State. This is why schools like Washington, Washington State and others play there in Cheney, Washington because of their fans.

Wait, what? When did this happen, the 1970s?

Eastern's stadium can hold ~9000 fans, whereas Martin stadium can hold over 30,000. I just can't imagine WSU travelling 90 minutes to play in a tiny a$$ stadium.

(12-23-2015 02:07 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 12:16 AM)Dman Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big Sky who can compete at FBS levels from history?
Portland State
Eastern Washington
Montana
Montana State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
North Dakota
Weber State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Plau Azusa Pacific at D2 have upset FCS schools from the Big Sky in the past.

Big South
Liberty football have upset some G5 schools in the past couple of years. I could point out how strong Kennesaw State was this year as well. They started out the right way by going the Club team route to build their program up first to get practice in. They could be the next South Alabama and Old Dominion in the FBS.

The whole CAA could compete against the ACC very well. It is like their national rivals. I could see Villanova move their football to the Patriot League.

Florida A&M, Delaware State both at one point interested to join the FBS ranks. I could see Howard, Hampton, NC A&T likes might want to experiment to join FBS.

The whole MVFC with Wichita State and New Mexico State plus a West Texas A&M in the future might work out. West Texas A&M could be a travel partner for New Mexico State.

NEC Central Conn. State might be good for a G5 slot. Could be a part of the CAA in the future. Just depends if the CAA basketball schools leave to form a conference or move to the NEC or A10 conferences, and move the football schools into the CAA. Trade schools out.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky and Tennessee State might try it. North Alabama that is rumored to go here can join them in FBS in the future.

Fordham and Holy Cross could move up.

Dayton mentioned FBS. They want into a better conference for their basketball program, but the Big East do not want them. Joining the FBS ranks and getting into like C-USA or AAC might be a goal for them.

McNeese State, Lamar, Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas could compete well with FBS schools.

Chattanooga, Western Carolina, Furman and The Citadel have done well against FBS.

Alabama State and Jackson State might do well. The game between Alabama State and Tuskegee draws FBS type of crowds.

Eastern Michigan, Idaho, New Mexico State, Kent State, Ball State and San Jose State draws small crowds. They should drop down.

Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Cal-Riverside, Cal-Irvine, Northridge State, Cal-San Diego, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Milwaukee, Texas-RGV, Texas A&M-C.C., Little Rock, UTA, SIU-Edwardsville and some other D1 schools could start or re-start football in the future.

original question was "Is there a school you think would be more successful in the FBS as opposed to the FCS? This includes their recent success, strong attendance, a thriving and traveling fan based, and willingness to grow. "

That is why I mentioned these schools. The FCS schools that hosted G5 and P5 schools of the FBS had the most people in their stands. These schools have more success than a school like Georgia State. Eastern Washington fans are like Boise State right now. They do travel. They had more fans in the FCS Championship game than Sam Houston State. This is why schools like Washington, Washington State and others play there in Cheney, Washington because of their fans.

Wait, what? When did this happen, the 1970s?

Eastern's stadium can hold ~9000 fans, whereas Martin stadium can hold over 30,000. I just can't imagine WSU travelling 90 minutes to play in a tiny a$$ stadium.

It is more of a home and home agreement. With the success Eastern Washington have in recent years against P5, they are expanding their stadium. It is more of a travel game for their fans like playing Boise State and Idaho.

(12-23-2015 04:53 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-23-2015 02:07 PM)dmacfour Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 03:49 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-21-2015 12:16 AM)Dman Wrote:  

(12-20-2015 11:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big Sky who can compete at FBS levels from history?
Portland State
Eastern Washington
Montana
Montana State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
North Dakota
Weber State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Plau Azusa Pacific at D2 have upset FCS schools from the Big Sky in the past.

Big South
Liberty football have upset some G5 schools in the past couple of years. I could point out how strong Kennesaw State was this year as well. They started out the right way by going the Club team route to build their program up first to get practice in. They could be the next South Alabama and Old Dominion in the FBS.

The whole CAA could compete against the ACC very well. It is like their national rivals. I could see Villanova move their football to the Patriot League.

Florida A&M, Delaware State both at one point interested to join the FBS ranks. I could see Howard, Hampton, NC A&T likes might want to experiment to join FBS.

The whole MVFC with Wichita State and New Mexico State plus a West Texas A&M in the future might work out. West Texas A&M could be a travel partner for New Mexico State.

NEC Central Conn. State might be good for a G5 slot. Could be a part of the CAA in the future. Just depends if the CAA basketball schools leave to form a conference or move to the NEC or A10 conferences, and move the football schools into the CAA. Trade schools out.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky and Tennessee State might try it. North Alabama that is rumored to go here can join them in FBS in the future.

Fordham and Holy Cross could move up.

Dayton mentioned FBS. They want into a better conference for their basketball program, but the Big East do not want them. Joining the FBS ranks and getting into like C-USA or AAC might be a goal for them.

McNeese State, Lamar, Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas could compete well with FBS schools.

Chattanooga, Western Carolina, Furman and The Citadel have done well against FBS.

Alabama State and Jackson State might do well. The game between Alabama State and Tuskegee draws FBS type of crowds.

Eastern Michigan, Idaho, New Mexico State, Kent State, Ball State and San Jose State draws small crowds. They should drop down.

Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Cal-Riverside, Cal-Irvine, Northridge State, Cal-San Diego, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Milwaukee, Texas-RGV, Texas A&M-C.C., Little Rock, UTA, SIU-Edwardsville and some other D1 schools could start or re-start football in the future.

original question was "Is there a school you think would be more successful in the FBS as opposed to the FCS? This includes their recent success, strong attendance, a thriving and traveling fan based, and willingness to grow. "

That is why I mentioned these schools. The FCS schools that hosted G5 and P5 schools of the FBS had the most people in their stands. These schools have more success than a school like Georgia State. Eastern Washington fans are like Boise State right now. They do travel. They had more fans in the FCS Championship game than Sam Houston State. This is why schools like Washington, Washington State and others play there in Cheney, Washington because of their fans.

Wait, what? When did this happen, the 1970s?

Eastern's stadium can hold ~9000 fans, whereas Martin stadium can hold over 30,000. I just can't imagine WSU travelling 90 minutes to play in a tiny a$$ stadium.

It is more of a home and home agreement. With the success Eastern Washington have in recent years against P5, they are expanding their stadium. It is more of a travel game for their fans like playing Boise State and Idaho.

Sorry, I don't think this is going to happen. Eastern isn't expanding their stadium enough - it'll still be smaller than the Kibbie Dome, which Wazzu won't play in. They want it to have at least 20k seats before they consider playing here.

Drop the MAC, Sun Belt, and C-USA (with the exception of Marshall & Rice and anyone who can make it independent) as entire conferences down to FCS, and bring up the Ivy League.

(12-20-2015 11:48 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big Sky who can compete at FBS levels from history?
Portland State
Eastern Washington
Montana
Montana State
Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
North Dakota
Weber State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly
Plau Azusa Pacific at D2 have upset FCS schools from the Big Sky in the past.

Big South
Liberty football have upset some G5 schools in the past couple of years. I could point out how strong Kennesaw State was this year as well. They started out the right way by going the Club team route to build their program up first to get practice in. They could be the next South Alabama and Old Dominion in the FBS.

The whole CAA could compete against the ACC very well. It is like their national rivals. I could see Villanova move their football to the Patriot League.

Florida A&M, Delaware State both at one point interested to join the FBS ranks. I could see Howard, Hampton, NC A&T likes might want to experiment to join FBS.

The whole MVFC with Wichita State and New Mexico State plus a West Texas A&M in the future might work out. West Texas A&M could be a travel partner for New Mexico State.

NEC Central Conn. State might be good for a G5 slot. Could be a part of the CAA in the future. Just depends if the CAA basketball schools leave to form a conference or move to the NEC or A10 conferences, and move the football schools into the CAA. Trade schools out.

Jacksonville State, Eastern Illinois, Eastern Kentucky and Tennessee State might try it. North Alabama that is rumored to go here can join them in FBS in the future.

Fordham and Holy Cross could move up.

Dayton mentioned FBS. They want into a better conference for their basketball program, but the Big East do not want them. Joining the FBS ranks and getting into like C-USA or AAC might be a goal for them.

McNeese State, Lamar, Sam Houston State and Central Arkansas could compete well with FBS schools.

Chattanooga, Western Carolina, Furman and The Citadel have done well against FBS.

Alabama State and Jackson State might do well. The game between Alabama State and Tuskegee draws FBS type of crowds.

Eastern Michigan, Idaho, New Mexico State, Kent State, Ball State and San Jose State draws small crowds. They should drop down.

Long Beach State, Fullerton State, Cal-Riverside, Cal-Irvine, Northridge State, Cal-San Diego, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Milwaukee, Texas-RGV, Texas A&M-C.C., Little Rock, UTA, SIU-Edwardsville and some other D1 schools could start or re-start football in the future.

If anyone needs to move to the Patriot League, it's Army and William & Mary. Those two seem very much overwhelmed where they are currently. I remember reading somewhere that Army fans looked forward to playing......................................Harvard & Yale. Harvard & Yale. Think about that for a minute. What FBS school would look forward to playing a non-scholarship FCS school? And can anyone realistically stick Army in any FBS conference? Army might have a renaissance if it joined the Patriot. Same thing with William & Mary. I'm surprised the Patriot League didn't scoop them up a long time ago. And while I'm at it, Navy needs to join the Patriot League also. Yes, right now Navy is doing well, but what happens once Coach Ken Niamatolo moves on or retires? Or gets fired for some strange reason? (like off the field stuff). Can Navy keep it up then or not?