John Wilfong

(12-19-2015 04:51 PM)450bench Wrote:  Tiger1983, you just can't see the big picture with any of these basketball topics. Have you ever played a sport or have you always just been a fan? Nothing wrong with either. Not throwing rocks, just asking to better understand your perspective.

I got a feeling he got bullied as a kid.

(12-19-2015 01:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:18 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:17 PM)Smith Wrote:  "Shady bagmen", knows how to stare down the NCAA hierarchy, get's guys in school with a six grade education, lives in the grey areas, knows how to cheat without getting caught, plausible deniability when caught cheating, runs the program and school, makes backroom deals, has assistants who will take the fall, has grad students who will take test and write papers for the players, has professors, teachers, and administrators who will change grades, knows how to setup sex parties for the recruits and current players, has an in with local police so players caught doing something they shouldn't are brought to an assistant to take care of them, has hot assistant coach's wifes to take the edge off after dinner, knows how to manage a seven figure slush fund, has men who will put his name out for other possible jobs in case it gets too hot at the current gig, great at PR, wears expense clothes, knows how to hand out favorites to keep everyone happy, and most importantly, knows when to move on.

Works at P5's. Doesn't work at Memphis. We are one of the most penalized schools in NCAA.

Correct, history shows we get caught cheating and sanctions would likely torpedo our near-term P5 membership effort. Cheating is not an option for us.

To paraphrase Charles Barkley " If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" I bet most here would take another final four ride, who cares about afterwards? If people cared, Cal wouldn't be at Kentucky and Pitino wouldn't be at Louisville.

(12-19-2015 04:51 PM)450bench Wrote:  Tiger1983, you just can't see the big picture with any of these basketball topics. Have you ever played a sport or have you always just been a fan? Nothing wrong with either. Not throwing rocks, just asking to better understand your perspective.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."
Socrates

(12-19-2015 05:53 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:18 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:17 PM)Smith Wrote:  "Shady bagmen", knows how to stare down the NCAA hierarchy, get's guys in school with a six grade education, lives in the grey areas, knows how to cheat without getting caught, plausible deniability when caught cheating, runs the program and school, makes backroom deals, has assistants who will take the fall, has grad students who will take test and write papers for the players, has professors, teachers, and administrators who will change grades, knows how to setup sex parties for the recruits and current players, has an in with local police so players caught doing something they shouldn't are brought to an assistant to take care of them, has hot assistant coach's wifes to take the edge off after dinner, knows how to manage a seven figure slush fund, has men who will put his name out for other possible jobs in case it gets too hot at the current gig, great at PR, wears expense clothes, knows how to hand out favorites to keep everyone happy, and most importantly, knows when to move on.

Works at P5's. Doesn't work at Memphis. We are one of the most penalized schools in NCAA.

Correct, history shows we get caught cheating and sanctions would likely torpedo our near-term P5 membership effort. Cheating is not an option for us.

To paraphrase Charles Barkley " If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" I bet most here would take another final four ride, who cares about afterwards? If people cared, Cal wouldn't be at Kentucky and Pitino wouldn't be at Louisville.

Yep.

Life is short.

(12-19-2015 05:53 PM)Smith Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:18 PM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 12:17 PM)Smith Wrote:  "Shady bagmen", knows how to stare down the NCAA hierarchy, get's guys in school with a six grade education, lives in the grey areas, knows how to cheat without getting caught, plausible deniability when caught cheating, runs the program and school, makes backroom deals, has assistants who will take the fall, has grad students who will take test and write papers for the players, has professors, teachers, and administrators who will change grades, knows how to setup sex parties for the recruits and current players, has an in with local police so players caught doing something they shouldn't are brought to an assistant to take care of them, has hot assistant coach's wifes to take the edge off after dinner, knows how to manage a seven figure slush fund, has men who will put his name out for other possible jobs in case it gets too hot at the current gig, great at PR, wears expense clothes, knows how to hand out favorites to keep everyone happy, and most importantly, knows when to move on.

Works at P5's. Doesn't work at Memphis. We are one of the most penalized schools in NCAA.

Correct, history shows we get caught cheating and sanctions would likely torpedo our near-term P5 membership effort. Cheating is not an option for us.

To paraphrase Charles Barkley " If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" I bet most here would take another final four ride, who cares about afterwards? If people cared, Cal wouldn't be at Kentucky and Pitino wouldn't be at Louisville.

Yep.

Life is short.

(12-19-2015 05:53 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:51 PM)450bench Wrote:  Tiger1983, you just can't see the big picture with any of these basketball topics. Have you ever played a sport or have you always just been a fan? Nothing wrong with either. Not throwing rocks, just asking to better understand your perspective.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."
Socrates

Way to answer the question. Apparently you can't even have discussion. Save your arrogance for someone else.

(12-19-2015 10:47 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:35 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  I want defensive toughness. You may beat us, but you're going to have to earn it and bear the bruising.

Nice. Aside from the obvious greatness at the end of Cals run here, I loved our toughness. I have a acquaintance here in Atlanta who is a Duke alum and is buddies with John Smoltz who is a huge Michigan State fan. In the 2008 game, when Memphis came out on the floor for warm ups, Smoltz was on the floor and texted him something to the effect of "good god look at this team....men vs boys". Guy showed me the text. One of my prouder moments as a remote Tiger. After that game, SEC people around here actually started respecting the Tigers.

Point being, toughness matters.

We literally were men against boys.

Dorsey was something like 25, Anderson and Dozier were four years out of high school, and CD-R was a Junior. Kemp and Mack were sophomores, and Taggart was a sophomore who sat out a year so was older than that,. Only Rose was a freshman.

Last night saw two high school senior aged kids, and two true freshmen play major minutes. Shaq, Tarrant, Burrell and Woodson are indeed older, but not quite like Dorsey and company.

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

Which one of the groups of rehashed group of coaches or want to be assistants who apply. No established coach is going to touch the job. 72% winning percentage, 66% of making the tourney gets you on the hot seat no one is going to take a chance in a no win situation.

(12-19-2015 07:10 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

Which one of the groups of rehashed group of coaches or want to be assistants who apply. No established coach is going to touch the job. 72% winning percentage, 66% of making the tourney gets you on the hot seat no one is going to take a chance in a no win situation.

Nonsense.

Gottfried didn't care that Lowe was run out at NCST.

Hurley didn't care that Sendek was run from AZST.

Cal didn't care that Gillespie was run from KY.

Etc.

(12-19-2015 07:10 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

Which one of the groups of rehashed group of coaches or want to be assistants who apply. No established coach is going to touch the job. 72% winning percentage, 66% of making the tourney gets you on the hot seat no one is going to take a chance in a no win situation.

Yeah, because it's so intimidating following an oracle of college basketball like Josh Pastner. I think in the history of college basketball, the only more intimidating hire would be UCLA when John Wooden retired.

Ncrdbl1, since "no one is going to take a chance" at a historically successful, high-paying, high-school prospect rich Memphis job, I guess we'll just have to shut down the program.

Do you even read what you type sometimes to see how ridiculous you sound?

(12-19-2015 02:14 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:39 AM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

A shady bagman.

Lol

Thank you.

Somebody got it.


Reminds me of another guy.... in a different field.

(12-19-2015 07:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:10 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

Which one of the groups of rehashed group of coaches or want to be assistants who apply. No established coach is going to touch the job. 72% winning percentage, 66% of making the tourney gets you on the hot seat no one is going to take a chance in a no win situation.

Nonsense.

Gottfried didn't care that Lowe was run out at NCST.

Hurley didn't care that Sendek was run from AZST.

Cal didn't care that Gillespie was run from KY.

Etc.

Tic Price didn't care that Memphis ran out Larry Finch.

Smh

(12-19-2015 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:26 PM)tigertg Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 02:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 01:47 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Correct, history shows we get caught cheating and sanctions would likely torpedo our near-term P5 membership effort. Cheating is not an option for us.

Yeah, because P5 teams don't cheat.

Here's my criteria: Someone who knows what it takes to win at the DI college level, can communicate in practice, and can spot it in high school/AAU games.

Bruce Pearl but we are 1 year to late, you could not pay him enough to come here now.

Auburn was crushed by Xavier today and were beaten by MTSU. The rest of their schedule is not exactly murders row.

You do know that Xavier is undefeated, right?

OK is undefeated, also. Auburn lost 85-61. We lost to OK 84-78.

Let's get the coach of Xavier.

(12-19-2015 08:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:26 PM)tigertg Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 02:36 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Yeah, because P5 teams don't cheat.

Here's my criteria: Someone who knows what it takes to win at the DI college level, can communicate in practice, and can spot it in high school/AAU games.

Bruce Pearl but we are 1 year to late, you could not pay him enough to come here now.

Auburn was crushed by Xavier today and were beaten by MTSU. The rest of their schedule is not exactly murders row.

You do know that Xavier is undefeated, right?

OK is undefeated, also. Auburn lost 85-61. We lost to OK 84-78.

Let's get the coach of Xavier.

He will not take Memphis job if open according to those close to him

(12-19-2015 08:10 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 08:06 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:49 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:30 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:26 PM)tigertg Wrote:  Bruce Pearl but we are 1 year to late, you could not pay him enough to come here now.

Auburn was crushed by Xavier today and were beaten by MTSU. The rest of their schedule is not exactly murders row.

You do know that Xavier is undefeated, right?

OK is undefeated, also. Auburn lost 85-61. We lost to OK 84-78.

Let's get the coach of Xavier.

He will not take Memphis job if open according to those close to him

Why?

(12-19-2015 07:42 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:10 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

Which one of the groups of rehashed group of coaches or want to be assistants who apply. No established coach is going to touch the job. 72% winning percentage, 66% of making the tourney gets you on the hot seat no one is going to take a chance in a no win situation.

Nonsense.

Gottfried didn't care that Lowe was run out at NCST.

Hurley didn't care that Sendek was run from AZST.

Cal didn't care that Gillespie was run from KY.

Etc.

Tic Price didn't care that Memphis ran out Larry Finch.

Yes, there is the risk that the next coach will be worse than the present coach off and on the court. It is a possible outcome the "get rid of Pastner at any cost" crowd refuse to acknowledge but exists nevertheless .

(12-19-2015 08:27 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:42 PM)rolexjames Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:17 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:10 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 10:27 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  What is THE NUMBER ONE, MOST IMPORTANT trait you want to see in him/his team...above all other aspects of the game...

Which one of the groups of rehashed group of coaches or want to be assistants who apply. No established coach is going to touch the job. 72% winning percentage, 66% of making the tourney gets you on the hot seat no one is going to take a chance in a no win situation.

Nonsense.

Gottfried didn't care that Lowe was run out at NCST.

Hurley didn't care that Sendek was run from AZST.

Cal didn't care that Gillespie was run from KY.

Etc.

Tic Price didn't care that Memphis ran out Larry Finch.

Yes, there is the risk that the next coach will be worse than the present coach off and on the court. It is a possible outcome the "get rid of Pastner at any cost" crowd refuse to acknowledge but exists nevertheless .

So how long do we wait in your expert opinion? This isn't Nebraska firing Frank Solich or Indiana firing Knight

I think right now our best option is to ride it out with Pastner but the program may not have the time. Yes it is frustrating to watch him learn but when he does get it figured out there will be no turning back. We have too much time and money invested in Pastner now and passed on Pearl when we should have made our move.

Sorry but I have given up living and dying with this basketball team after 40 years of being a die hard fan.

What really hurt for me is not for Pastner to struggle, what has killed it for me was Cals big FU to all of Tiger Nation and I guess my priorities are changing after watching disappointing season after disappointing season for too many years after that now.

Had Pastner been able to win a few big games after the Cal snub I may have been able to hang in there but this program has been descending ever since Cal left despite Pastners efforts. Everything in the Pastner era has been hype and spin and I bought in as long as I could.

Somebody please pm me or wake me up when it changes. After 40 years living, breathing Tiger basketball I've basically lost my GAS. Too much else that goes on in life. I'm very proud of you Tiger fans still hanging in there and grateful to the players who represent our University and City.