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Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
David Kellum (voice of the Black Bears Tweeted):
John Calipari in his 7th year at Memphis met Ole Miss in his 216th game & was 154-61. Josh Pastner meets Rebs 7th year, game 216, 155-60.
https://twitter.com/RebVoice

Parrish tweeted in response:
This is a wild but factual stat that highlights why most outsiders think unhappy Memphis fans are crazy.
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The commonly held belief that our fans are "crazy" will likely have ramifications on our next coaching search.
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In year 7, the two boats are headed in very different directions
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Josh feasted on C USA cupcakes early on and then summarily drove the program into the ground. And the outsiders are just that, outside the program and don't see what the rest of us do. And before anyone says that we are unfairly basing Josh on what Cal did, I would take a Larry Finch led Tigers any day over Josh.

Can anyone name one Finch team that did not have at least one shooter? Anyone remember Johnny Mac, Rodney Newsome ( Cincinnati game) Justin Wimmer, Mingo Johnson?
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
(12-18-2015 08:20 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  In year 7, the two boats are headed in very different directions

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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
This numbers crap is so old, how has Pastner done since we moved to the American conference, which is a decent notch above CUSA. If we all like beating the SEMO's of the world, then we are in good hands.
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
(12-18-2015 08:09 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  David Kellum (voice of the Black Bears Tweeted):
John Calipari in his 7th year at Memphis met Ole Miss in his 216th game & was 154-61. Josh Pastner meets Rebs 7th year, game 216, 155-60.
https://twitter.com/RebVoice

Parrish tweeted in response:
This is a wild but factual stat that highlights why most outsiders think unhappy Memphis fans are crazy.
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The commonly held belief that our fans are "crazy" will likely have ramifications on our next coaching search.

Do we really need to break all of this down?

This guy is an idiot sometimes with his Pastner comments...

If a coach chooses to pass on Memphis because we expect to get good recruits, advance in the tourney, and be a regular top 25 team then we don't need or want him anyway. I want a coach who wants to live up to those expectations and who can meet those expectations. Not some guy looking to come here, beat up on Southern, Southeast Missouri State, and UCF and get a free 7 figure salary. We've already been robbed enough.
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
Actually, Narcissist had a terrible record against ranked opponents, and also feasted on CUSA opponents, not coming close to a CUSA title until the 2005-06 season. However, starting with that season, his sixth, things were much better as the team was in the beginning of a four year sweet sixteen or better, including a finals appearance run...which is what is the real reason why so many have lambasted Pastner from day two.

In his seventh year his team is not likely to be a final four threat...there have been a few more transfers, some really hitter disparagement of our own program by a players attorney no less, and an 18-14 season. That is too much to bear for many, who do seem to conveniently forget that Memphis had teams with very high expectations, the 2002 and 2005 squads, that were not even good enough to get beat in the NCAA round of 32, but made the NIT only.

It is unlikely our teams start on a four year run of thirty win seasons and elite eights or even better right now, but it is also not a situation that was anywhere close to as bad as the levels of poo would suggest.

Watch them go ape now.
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
(12-18-2015 08:20 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  In year 7, the two boats are headed in very different directions

Right, one coach was coming off of an Elite Eight the year before and headed for another while the other coach did not make NCAA tournament and is unlikely to make it again this year...

Anybody who actually looks beyond wins and losses can identify the differences pretty easily...
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
(12-18-2015 08:09 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  David Kellum (voice of the Black Bears Tweeted):
John Calipari in his 7th year at Memphis met Ole Miss in his 216th game & was 154-61. Josh Pastner meets Rebs 7th year, game 216, 155-60.
https://twitter.com/RebVoice

Parrish tweeted in response:
This is a wild but factual stat that highlights why most outsiders think unhappy Memphis fans are crazy.
https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The commonly held belief that our fans are "crazy" will likely have ramifications on our next coaching search.

I think the comparison is fair accept it is acutally flipped.

Cal started in a conference about the strength of the American and finished in a weak conference where he had his best seasons.

Josh started in a weak conference where he had his best seasons and now is in a better conference where he has started to struggle.

It will be interesting to see if Josh can keep pace in the tougher conference since he had the weak conference head start
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
Pointless stat.


Cal made an Elite 8 in Year 6. If Josh had made a Sweet 16 or an Elite 8, most of us wouldn't be upset. It's pretty obvious the program is trending down, whereas Cal found his stride at this point in his career here.
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you guys really need to relax and enjoy the basketball. Things will play out in March.
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
Cal and the program were trending up when he bolted. Cal was going to land the top players in the nation.
JP and the program have settled in to a state of mediocrity. JP has not and IMHO will not get the top players in the nation.

Time for change.
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
(12-18-2015 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Pointless stat.


Cal made an Elite 8 in Year 6. If Josh had made a Sweet 16 or an Elite 8, most of us wouldn't be upset. It's pretty obvious the program is trending down, whereas Cal found his stride at this point in his career here.

Any chance Pastner "finds his stride" over the next couple of years? Cal had successful college head coaching experience when he took over (granted he took over a mess).

I was thinking Pastner is just now gaining experience as his recruiting has taken a big hit. If he could get to the tournament this year with say 22 wins and then maybe get a transfer like Tomas to go along with a good late period signing maybe he gets things going?
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RE: Parrish Tweet - Pastner's and Calipari's Win Total at Memphis To Date
can we just skip this crap for a day and support the team? Have some pride, leave the coach out of it and root for the kids and your university. I'm as over him as anyone but come on, this horse has been buried.
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(12-18-2015 09:22 AM)EdmondTiger Wrote:  
(12-18-2015 09:16 AM)HometownTiger Wrote:  Pointless stat.


Cal made an Elite 8 in Year 6. If Josh had made a Sweet 16 or an Elite 8, most of us wouldn't be upset. It's pretty obvious the program is trending down, whereas Cal found his stride at this point in his career here.

Any chance Pastner "finds his stride" over the next couple of years? Cal had successful college head coaching experience when he took over (granted he took over a mess).

I was thinking Pastner is just now gaining experience as his recruiting has taken a big hit. If he could get to the tournament this year with say 22 wins and then maybe get a transfer like Tomas to go along with a good late period signing maybe he gets things going?

I just don't see it. He's proven that he can't win big even with talented recruits, so I'm not sure a solid recruiting class (not looking realistic anyways) would help him find his stride here. It's hard to correct momentum when it starts going the wrong way on ya...coaches almost never bounce back - most just delay the inevitable.

I've said many times, the year with the "4 Kings" was THE year for Josh. We had Elite 8 talent. If Josh's resume was 100% the same, BUT we made an Elite 8 that year ... we're all good. Also wouldn't hurt if he didn't lose so many transfers...
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(12-18-2015 08:59 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Actually, Narcissist had a terrible record against ranked opponents, and also feasted on CUSA opponents, not coming close to a CUSA title until the 2005-06 season. However, starting with that season, his sixth, things were much better as the team was in the beginning of a four year sweet sixteen or better, including a finals appearance run...which is what is the real reason why so many have lambasted Pastner from day two.

In his seventh year his team is not likely to be a final four threat...there have been a few more transfers, some really hitter disparagement of our own program by a players attorney no less, and an 18-14 season. That is too much to bear for many, who do seem to conveniently forget that Memphis had teams with very high expectations, the 2002 and 2005 squads, that were not even good enough to get beat in the NCAA round of 32, but made the NIT only.

It is unlikely our teams start on a four year run of thirty win seasons and elite eights or even better right now, but it is also not a situation that was anywhere close to as bad as the levels of poo would suggest.

Watch them go ape now.

I agree. Even before Cal got into his rhythm you (I) had confidence in what he was doing and the kids he got. Once he got in his groove we were tough to beat, impossible in CUSA and a force in the tournament.

I don't feel that way now. Losing Austin Nichols was inexcusable, even if the Dad pushed it.
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If Parrish is correct that our fans are crazy, then what is the effect on the next coaching search? Will it tend to drive off coaches or tend to draw coaches to the job?
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Ok, so let's ask every single D1 school in the NCAA right now:

"You need a head coach (either will accept the offer), money not an issue, do you hire Pastner or Cal?"
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(12-18-2015 09:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Ok, so let's ask every single D1 school in the NCAA right now:

"You need a head coach (either will accept the offer), money not an issue, do you hire Pastner or Cal?"

No brainer..
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(12-18-2015 09:39 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  If Parrish is correct that our fans are crazy, then what is the effect on the next coaching search? Will it tend to drive off coaches or tend to draw coaches to the job?

"Crazy" is an extremely relative word. I believe "passionate" is a much more fare description of our fans. I do not see our fans going out and doing crazy things to get their point across that they do not believe in Josh. There are no planes being flown over stadiums or signs in the Forum. They have simply stopped coming to games. I think most coaches would desire a passionate fan base. Again, a college coach can look beyond a few stats and see what is actually going on in the program, complete disarray, obscene number of transfers, trending downward, etc. They will know why fans are so off put at this point, especially given some of the talent JP's teams have had.
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