Now that the mayor has met with Temple officials he is no longer bashing the Eagles over how they handle the rent with Temple. The truth is that both Temple and the Eagles feel that Temple would be better off with their own stadium
So at the meeting he focused on Temple's neighbors. Most of the community groups are looking for a handout so the way I see it, Temple needs to budget another $10 mil to $15 mil to make them happy. As they say you have to pay the piper. Grease some palms. We went thru this when we built the bball arena.
Temple also needs to show them how traffic, parking, trash and noise will be handled...
(12-18-2015 10:01 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: If I were Temple, I would be focusing on the economic benefits of this stadium to the surrounding community (beyond what Temple already affords). Seems like the neighborhood wants to focus on any perceived negatives. Here's the reality...
As most any college town/area knows, there is an economic benefit to Saturday football games in the fall. I would have to assume there are bars, sandwich shops, stores, pizza places, etc...around Temple in the Broad Street area. Putting a 35K stadium in a place where parking is a premium means those places will be jam packed on Gamedays. Students will be everywhere, parents coming in...and they will all want to be within walking distance of the stadium. Property values will be positively affected. This could have a multi-block affect. In other words, this should be looked at as an opportunity to redevelop the neighborhood.
So focus on the landowners, focus on the business owners...long time residents, not so much. In reality they are impediments to economic progress. They are not entitled to "rent" their space. This is an opportunity for the neighborhood to go to market rate prices and reduce/limit subsidized situations. Yeah, Grandma may have to move...that's life.
They are not black owned businesses, so that isn't the issue.
Not sure what that has to do with it. I'm talking about "Green" though...money flowing in the College area, money for parking, money at the businesses, money for additional rents at off campus housing, and finally (listen up Mr. Mayor) money for taxes, both sales taxes and rising property tax value. You weren't going to get that money from Temple renting the Linc. So, in all reality, especially with a $100 million or so construction project happening in North Philly...HOW SHORTSIGHTED WAS THIS MAYOR WITH HIS ORIGINAL STATEMENTS ABOUT DOING THIS LIKE PITT. Not sure if this guy is a businessman or not, but mouthing off before you know anything about it is not good leadership. And you are the face of the city.
Because the people whose voices are the loudest are the poor, uneducated, unemployed, non-tax paying locals who cry gentrification at everything Temple does to try to turn crack dens into something actually habitable.
(12-18-2015 10:01 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: If I were Temple, I would be focusing on the economic benefits of this stadium to the surrounding community (beyond what Temple already affords). Seems like the neighborhood wants to focus on any perceived negatives. Here's the reality...
As most any college town/area knows, there is an economic benefit to Saturday football games in the fall. I would have to assume there are bars, sandwich shops, stores, pizza places, etc...around Temple in the Broad Street area. Putting a 35K stadium in a place where parking is a premium means those places will be jam packed on Gamedays. Students will be everywhere, parents coming in...and they will all want to be within walking distance of the stadium. Property values will be positively affected. This could have a multi-block affect. In other words, this should be looked at as an opportunity to redevelop the neighborhood.
So focus on the landowners, focus on the business owners...long time residents, not so much. In reality they are impediments to economic progress. They are not entitled to "rent" their space. This is an opportunity for the neighborhood to go to market rate prices and reduce/limit subsidized situations. Yeah, Grandma may have to move...that's life.
They are not black owned businesses, so that isn't the issue.
Not sure what that has to do with it. I'm talking about "Green" though...money flowing in the College area, money for parking, money at the businesses, money for additional rents at off campus housing, and finally (listen up Mr. Mayor) money for taxes, both sales taxes and rising property tax value. You weren't going to get that money from Temple renting the Linc. So, in all reality, especially with a $100 million or so construction project happening in North Philly...HOW SHORTSIGHTED WAS THIS MAYOR WITH HIS ORIGINAL STATEMENTS ABOUT DOING THIS LIKE PITT. Not sure if this guy is a businessman or not, but mouthing off before you know anything about it is not good leadership. And you are the face of the city.
Because the people whose voices are the loudest are the poor, uneducated, unemployed, non-tax paying locals who cry gentrification at everything Temple does to try to turn crack dens into something actually habitable.
And there's always complaints about Temple's expansion and real estate driving out honest, hard-working local businesses; like this North Philly daycare.
(12-18-2015 09:00 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Temple, you own the real estate yes? Draw up the plans and go get your permits.
Temple has the land and if it was this simple construction would be underway. Getting the permits is the issue so Temple is doing all their legwork (finding out which local civic groups will require a sizable “donation”) on the front end as opposed to filing for permits and then having the project held up forever by city hall. You don’t want to file for the permits only to then find out that you don’t have all the local “leaders” and the mayor’s office on your $ide.
There will be two budgets for this project, one for the actual construction of the stadium, and the second to pay for all the local “approval$” and sudden unforeseen zoning i$$ues that arise for a project this size.
A hidden camera clip from the latest stadium meeting is below.
The land isn't zoned for a stadium. So technically the neighborhood and ZBA (a city government board) have to approve the plans to grant a zoning variance.
The community and city are important in this process.
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(12-18-2015 09:00 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Temple, you own the real estate yes? Draw up the plans and go get your permits.
Temple has the land and if it was this simple construction would be underway. Getting the permits is the issue so Temple is doing all their legwork (finding out which local civic groups will require a sizable “donation”) on the front end as opposed to filing for permits and then having the project held up forever by city hall. You don’t want to file for the permits only to then find out that you don’t have all the local “leaders” and the mayor’s office on your $ide.
There will be two budgets for this project, one for the actual construction of the stadium, and the second to pay for all the local “approval$” and sudden unforeseen zoning i$$ues that arise for a project this size.
A hidden camera clip from the latest stadium meeting is below.
The land isn't zoned for a stadium. So technically the neighborhood and ZBA (a city government board) have to approve the plans to grant a zoning variance.
The community and city are important in this process.
Haha...the land is likely zoned for Institutional use...some is athletic fields now. It will still be an institutional use and will be an athletic field. Its not the same as if the Eagles are building a stadium if the land is owned by the University. Likely the biggest issue (considering its use may be limited to 8-10 times a year) is the noise.
(12-19-2015 03:10 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote: Haha...the land is likely zoned for Institutional use...some is athletic fields now. It will still be an institutional use and will be an athletic field. Its not the same as if the Eagles are building a stadium if the land is owned by the University. Likely the biggest issue (considering its use may be limited to 8-10 times a year) is the noise.
You are correct. Temple's campus is a unitary institutional district. That said, they'll still have to get approval for modifications to the current plan. They also have to get City Council to approve closing two blocks of 15th street, which is a big deal. There's not enough room for the stadium otherwise.
(12-18-2015 09:00 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: Temple, you own the real estate yes? Draw up the plans and go get your permits.
Temple has the land and if it was this simple construction would be underway. Getting the permits is the issue so Temple is doing all their legwork (finding out which local civic groups will require a sizable “donation”) on the front end as opposed to filing for permits and then having the project held up forever by city hall. You don’t want to file for the permits only to then find out that you don’t have all the local “leaders” and the mayor’s office on your $ide.
There will be two budgets for this project, one for the actual construction of the stadium, and the second to pay for all the local “approval$” and sudden unforeseen zoning i$$ues that arise for a project this size.
A hidden camera clip from the latest stadium meeting is below.
The land isn't zoned for a stadium. So technically the neighborhood and ZBA (a city government board) have to approve the plans to grant a zoning variance.
The community and city are important in this process.
Haha...the land is likely zoned for Institutional use...some is athletic fields now. It will still be an institutional use and will be an athletic field. Its not the same as if the Eagles are building a stadium if the land is owned by the University. Likely the biggest issue (considering its use may be limited to 8-10 times a year) is the noise.
Institutional use or not, there are still parameters written into the zoning code that Temple will likely need variances to get around. For instance, there are requirements around the percent of land that can be built upon and how much green space must be available on that land. There are codes requiring certain types of parking availability, trash pickup, etc.
It's Philly -- not Atlanta or Houston that we are talking about. Philly has limited land and 5x-10x the amount of people packed into an area that the sunbelt cities have. If there weren't restrictions, it'd be pure chaos and unlivable in dense cities.
Relax guys, if Temple wants this stadium bad enough they will prevail. There's a lot of crap to go thru but other schools such as Tulane also went thru a similar process.
So the only thing that would stop this stadium is if the Eagles offered the Linc for free to Temple. At that point Temple officials would have to take a look at the offer.
Also it should be pointed out that the Eagles initially wanted $3 mil per year so they have already deeply discounted. The $12 mil stadium improvement fee isn't going anywhere since the Eagles had to borrow to pay the $190 mil cost of that.
