I believe FSU has 2 national titles since 1980.

Clemson has 1 and a chance to play for another. Even if Clemson doesn't win the title still finish the season 13-1 or 14-1. Clemson would have won the title in the pre BCS era b/c only undefeated team, and would have had a greater chance in the BCS era with only one game. One of FSU titles came in pre BCS era. The other came the last year of the BCS. they flamed out in the playoffs last year

for a guy calling me 'little man', CLemson has winning record against your team the past 13 years. kind of weird how you thinkn rooting for FSU makes you a tough guy or means I'm a little guy

Come on Clem. I keep telling you to do your research. FSU has 3...1993...1999...2013

btw, how does a FSU fan have titles in his hand. you don't play in the games. Bragging about two titles since 1980 kind of cracks me up. 2 not much more than 1. lol

FSU isn't going to have Winston type QB most years.

(12-17-2015 03:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Come on Clem. I keep telling you to do your research. FSU has 3...1993...1999...2013

ok, 3. Clemson has 1 and would have 2 in the pre-BCS era. winning in the playoff format is much more difificult too.

given how FSU dominated the ACC in the 90s it is pretty hard to believe they only have 3 titles. A lot of Clemsoning must have taken place. lol

was FSU any good at all prior to Bowden? I doubt they had any titles prio to 1993.

They didn't have titles prior to Bowden. He started there in 1976. From 1987 to 2000, they put on a streak that may never be matched...14 straight years ranked in the top 5. Of those 14 years, 6 of them ended with only one loss (to Miami alot of times). Just think if the college football playoff was back then. FSU would probably have more than 3 titles.

i doubt it. playaoffs maskes it much tougher to win it all. for example, oklahoma lost to Texas a badd loss, if Clemson loses to Okla it is eliminated despite that being a good loss. Okla did not have to play a conference title game which was less wear and tear on their bodies. Okla would not have even made a BCS game or won the title in pre-BCCS era.

acc was much weaker back in 90s and also easier to win with less teams. Clemson wasn;t very good in the 90s.

(12-17-2015 04:04 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  i doubt it. playaoffs maskes it much tougher to win it all. for example, oklahoma lost to Texas a badd loss, if Clemson loses to Okla it is eliminated despite that being a good loss.

acc was much weaker back in 90s and also easier to win with less teams. Clemson wasn;t very good in the 90s.

FSU didn't join the ACC until 1992. GT won the national title in 1990. So the ACC wasn't chopped liver. Regardless, once FSU joined the ACC they still played both Miami and Florida OOC every year. Both of teams were VERY good in the 1990s. As a matter of fact both Miami and Florida won national titles in the 1990s.

Having a playoff then would have allowed FSU a chance to avenge a defeat. Those FSU teams were outstanding.

maybe but winning two games in row against top teams is a challenge. can't just assume FSU would have done that x number of times.

FSU embarassed the conference last year against Oregon. Yet they claim to carry us.

is it obvious to anybody I hate FSU. lol

(12-17-2015 03:40 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 03:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Come on Clem. I keep telling you to do your research. FSU has 3...1993...1999...2013

ok, 3. Clemson has 1 and would have 2 in the pre-BCS era. winning in the playoff format is much more difificult too.

given how FSU dominated the ACC in the 90s it is pretty hard to believe they only have 3 titles. A lot of Clemsoning must have taken place. lol

was FSU any good at all prior to Bowden? I doubt they had any titles prio to 1993.

more difficult maybe, but also more accessible...

with a playoff, who knows how many titles FSU would have had from '87-'00....

'89, '90, '91, '92, '96, '97.....those teams were incredible

(12-17-2015 04:26 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  maybe but winning two games in row against top teams is a challenge. can't just assume FSU would have done that x number of times.

FSU embarassed the conference last year against Oregon. Yet they claim to carry us.

Embarrassing losses happen. Did you see Texas dominate Oklahoma this year, but where is Oklahoma today? Until recently, FSU was the only dominant program in the ACC. Clemson has now joined them at the table.

I'm not saying FSU would have another 10 titles. All I'm saying is they would have had the chance. Back then they didn't.

that's true but also means you may not won your 3 current titles. can't just assume those would stay in place.

(12-17-2015 04:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:26 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  maybe but winning two games in row against top teams is a challenge. can't just assume FSU would have done that x number of times.

FSU embarassed the conference last year against Oregon. Yet they claim to carry us.

Embarrassing losses happen. Did you see Texas dominate Oklahoma this year, but where is Oklahoma today? Until recently, FSU was the only dominant program in the ACC. Clemson has now joined them at the table.

I'm not saying FSU would have another 10 titles. All I'm saying is they would have had the chance. Back then they didn't.

Clemson was a top 10 program in the 80s and would have been even if FSU was in the conference.

FSU was hardly dominant for 6 or 7 recent years prior to Winston. they weren't dominant this year. Unless they get a Winston type QB and their O line improves a lot, they wont be playing in playoffs next year as well.

i thought Clemson was only team to ever have embarassing losses. I know ppl made it a bfd when FSU beat Clemson bad at Clemson a couple of years. 'Clemsoning' and all that.

(12-17-2015 04:30 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  is it obvious to anybody I hate FSU. lol

To be honest, it seems to me that you have some sort of inferiority complex with FSU. Clemson is a great program now, and enjoying its best run ever. Dabo is a great coach. But why tear down FSU and its accomplishments? Both programs are doing great! Which is good for the ACC.

(12-17-2015 04:40 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:26 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  maybe but winning two games in row against top teams is a challenge. can't just assume FSU would have done that x number of times.

FSU embarassed the conference last year against Oregon. Yet they claim to carry us.

Embarrassing losses happen. Did you see Texas dominate Oklahoma this year, but where is Oklahoma today? Until recently, FSU was the only dominant program in the ACC. Clemson has now joined them at the table.

I'm not saying FSU would have another 10 titles. All I'm saying is they would have had the chance. Back then they didn't.

Clemson was a top 10 program in the 80s and would have been even if FSU was in the conference.

FSU was hardly dominant for 6 or 7 recent years prior to Winston. they weren't dominant this year.

Maybe we need to stop talking about the 80s and talk more about 2015.

You can make a case that no one was DOMINANT this year. However, there are only 10 top 10 teams and FSU is one of them for the 3rd year in a row.

(12-17-2015 04:46 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:30 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  is it obvious to anybody I hate FSU. lol

To be honest, it seems to me that you have some sort of inferiority complex with FSU. Clemson is a great program now, and enjoying its best run ever. Dabo is a great coach. But why tear down FSU and its accomplishments? Both programs are doing great! Which is good for the ACC.

i'm not obligated to promote FSU and gush over them. It is a rival program. I have never seen FSU promiting Clemson, usually gloating about it.

they consistnelty act like they are much better than Clemson yet Clemson is 7-6 against them and should be favored to win next year and the next.

FSU has had one really great team in the past 10 years, Winston's first year. They've had some good teams and some mediocre teams outside of that.

You had a FSU peson on here describe Oregon has a 2nd tier program and I think Oregon has been the much better program the past 12 years or so and just beat FSU last year.

It should be interesting to see how VT and Miami bounce back with their new coaches. Each program has talent on their roster, especially Miami. The Canes play a tough schedule, but with their talent, and Mark Richt at the helm, I think they could do damage next season.

I want to see who the OC and DC are at Miami before passing judgement.

(12-17-2015 04:48 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:40 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:37 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 04:26 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  maybe but winning two games in row against top teams is a challenge. can't just assume FSU would have done that x number of times.

FSU embarassed the conference last year against Oregon. Yet they claim to carry us.

Embarrassing losses happen. Did you see Texas dominate Oklahoma this year, but where is Oklahoma today? Until recently, FSU was the only dominant program in the ACC. Clemson has now joined them at the table.

I'm not saying FSU would have another 10 titles. All I'm saying is they would have had the chance. Back then they didn't.

Clemson was a top 10 program in the 80s and would have been even if FSU was in the conference.

FSU was hardly dominant for 6 or 7 recent years prior to Winston. they weren't dominant this year.

Maybe we need to stop talking about the 80s and talk more about 2015.

You can make a case that no one was DOMINANT this year. However, there are only 10 top 10 teams and FSU is one of them for the 3rd year in a row.

you can gush over FSU in the 90's but i can't talk about Clemson in the 80s. lol seems fair.

Clemson is the better program in 2015. let's do talk about it 2015.

lot of non-FSU people help market their program with the constant gushing. that doesn't help your program recruit. you got to poke holes in the hype.

FSU fan on this very forum constantly complain about the ACC and talk about how FSU carries the conference. they are complaining about winning too much. it doesn't get more arrogant than that. sstop recruiting good players or tak games on purpose if can't handle winning so much.

but i'm supposed to talk up FSU