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Top 10 G5 Attendance
I saw a thread on the realignment board asking why the MAC hasn't been affected... my answer is simple: nobody wants those teams! Not trying to be mean, but the best home attendance (which is usually a pretty good measure of fan support) is BYU, Boise State and the AAC...

Top Ten Average Attendance/Stadium Capacity
BYU Indy 58,532/64,045
Temple AAC 44,159/68,532
Memphis AAC 43,802/59,308
East Carolina AAC 43,274/50,000
Cincinnati AAC 37,096/40,000
Houston AAC 33,980/40,000
Boise St. MWC 33,612/36,387
Navy AAC 31,669/34,000
Army Indy 30,991/38,000
UCF AAC 30,065/44,206

http://americanrx.blogspot.com/2015/12/2...e-g5s.html

...with a couple of exceptions (what's up with Tulsa?)

Thoughts?
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Awful year for ECU. Just bad all around.
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(12-17-2015 10:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  UCF AAC 30,065/44,206

. . . (what's up with Tulsa?)

Thoughts?

Yeah, we don't lie as well as some others. UCF reporting 30k is an insult. Everyone is going to do some padding (Tulsa included), had some great discussions on it on this board. But some pad more than others. But Tulsa's attendance does suck, let me try to give you some perspective...

We simply don't have enough living alumni within 100 miles and we lose out on casual fans to OU, OSU, and Arkansas (all of which are within 2 hour drive). I don't think our conference-mates grasp how small the University of Tulsa is.

Tulsa has less than 3500 undergrads. Of the American students, 50% are from out of state, many of the in-state grads leave when they graduate (Oklahoma is a net exporter of college graduates), a further 1,170 of Tulsa students are international students. So... we graduate ~800 kids a year, 1/3 leave the country, and at least half of the remaining students leave the state. Building a 100 mile alumni base of ~250 people a year (100 miles encompasses Tulsa and OKC MSA).

Lets add 20% to assume some of the international students and out-of-staters stick around and to account for some graduate students who may become fans. So adding 300 per year to the 100 mile alumni base. Then lets assume an average graduate has 40 years to be a potential season ticket holder before they retire, move to Florida, or die.

That gives us a living alumni base within 100 miles of ~12,000 people. Add in the 1800 non-graduate non-international students and you get to 13,800 people. I think we do draw a fairly high percentage of casual fans for a non-bandwagon program, but lets say they make up 50% of our fan base... that's only 21,000 people. Then you can add in some fans that do hop on the bandwagon when we are on a roll, or fans that come to see a big game or to cheer for the opponent. Of course you get groups of people who are looking for something to do and are somewhere below actually being "fans" (like me for our minor league baseball team), you get Pop Warner day, or veterans day, or whatever.

But then you subtract fans for OSU, OU, and Arkansas home games. Even alumni will ditch a TU game to go to OU-Texas, Bedlam, or a top 10 matchup in either Stillwater or Norman. Any of those fans that hold TU season tickets will ditch a TU game to go to their alma mater. Corporate seats also often go unused. Unless we are putting up video game numbers and drawing media attention, its tough.

I think we could do better marketing. Make it more like a nice minor league baseball game, where families come for more than the game and young people show up for a day/evening of entertainment. But I also admit that we will not be a major draw unless we win big.

For perspective - Tulsa has 2,300 non-international undergrads. Every other AAC team has more than 10,000 (SMU is cutting it close). Very likely, Tulsa has less living alumni in the world than most of our AAC mates have currently enrolled students.

So I admit our attendance is weak, but I think we face problems other schools don't and have to come up with a unique way of remedying that.
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cincy has a new capacity ...thats the capacity before the renovation
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New capacity for UC is 40,000.
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(12-17-2015 10:42 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Awful year for ECU. Just bad all around.

May not be up to your expectations, but 43,000 isn't bad at all for a down year. If and when Memphis has a bad year I'd be happy with that attendance.
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RE: Top 10 G5 Attendance
UCF padding is usually not that off. They will always count 12k for the student section but this season obviously it wasn't close to that the last 3-4 games
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LOL!

When Scott Frost gets us playing #UCFast we'll be pushing 60K. Orlando will finally get real football.
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(12-17-2015 12:12 PM)JesseTU Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 10:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  UCF AAC 30,065/44,206

. . . (what's up with Tulsa?)

Thoughts?

Yeah, we don't lie as well as some others. UCF reporting 30k is an insult. Everyone is going to do some padding (Tulsa included), had some great discussions on it on this board. But some pad more than others. But Tulsa's attendance does suck, let me try to give you some perspective...

I don't know how accurate the numbers are, but they're not saying we had over 30k at every game. Reported attendance started at ~40k as usual and dropped to ~25k by the end of the season. Here's a couple photos from our last game of the season...

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How many people do you think that is in a 44k seat stadium? About half full maybe? I think that's a pretty good showing for a team that's about to go 0-12.
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RE: Top 10 G5 Attendance
(12-17-2015 10:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Top Ten Average Attendance/Stadium Capacity
BYU Indy 58,532/64,045
Temple AAC 44,159/68,532
Memphis AAC 43,802/59,308
East Carolina AAC 43,274/50,000
Cincinnati AAC 37,096/40,000
Houston AAC 33,980/40,000
Boise St. MWC 33,612/36,387
Navy AAC 31,669/34,000
Army Indy 30,991/38,000
UCF AAC 30,065/44,206

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BYU and Army aren't G5. They are, however, nonP5. Slight difference which means everything when NY6 Bids are announced.

Temple, Memphis and Cincy had their best attendance years EVER. Houston had it's best year since 1979.

Houston will open with OU next year at NRG. It should sell out. In addition, with Herman, Ward, Ayers etc. coming back from a Peach Bowl season to go with our recruiting momentum, I expect UH season ticket base to climb from 14K to 18-21K. As a result, Houston should see a nice jump next year in per game attendance.

Fresno, Air Force and San Diego St usually average more than 30K, but not this year. Fresno I can understand. They were terrible. But Air Force and SDSU won their divisions. Weird.
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RE: Top 10 G5 Attendance
(12-17-2015 12:12 PM)JesseTU Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 10:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  UCF AAC 30,065/44,206

. . . (what's up with Tulsa?)

Thoughts?

Yeah, we don't lie as well as some others. UCF reporting 30k is an insult. Everyone is going to do some padding (Tulsa included), had some great discussions on it on this board. But some pad more than others.

Wrong team to focus on. Ucf was near unwatchable but still did ok with g5 standards. 0-12 and most games not even slightly competitive. We will get back to averaging around 40k when we have an ok product on the field.
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(12-17-2015 12:54 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  LOL!

When Scott Frost gets us playing #UCFast we'll be pushing 60K. Orlando will finally get real football.

Pushing 60k in a 45k seat stadium? Someone call the Orlando FD
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(12-17-2015 01:32 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 12:54 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  LOL!

When Scott Frost gets us playing #UCFast we'll be pushing 60K. Orlando will finally get real football.

Pushing 60k in a 45k seat stadium? Someone call the Orlando FD

And people call UCF fans unrealistic....03-lmfao
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RE: Top 10 G5 Attendance
Here are some interesting POWER school numbers:

- North Carolina averaged 49,642 - fairly pedestrian for an 11-win, top-10 team....

- TCU averaged 46,750 - another 10-win, near top-10 team with pedestrian numbers. SMU and Texas were the top-2 games of the season, both at 48K.

- Northwestern averaged 33,384 - This is the 10-win team that beat Stanford and finished second in the B1G West and ranked #13.

- Washington St. averaged 29,407 - interestingly, the Stanford game, that DECIDED the PAC 12 North championship, was the second lowest total of the season, at only 30,012.

- Duke averaged 26,427 - at one point the front-runner in the ACC Atlantic (or is it Coastal?). This included two games against then-ranked opponents (#23 Northwestern and #20 Georgia Tech). The biggest crowd (33,961) was against FCS NCCSU - their first home game.
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(12-17-2015 12:57 PM)MechaKnight Wrote:  How many people do you think that is in a 44k seat stadium? About half full maybe? I think that's a pretty good showing for a team that's about to go 0-12.

The sections that have people in them are half full, overall, probably 1/3. Crowds spread out and fill the space. Trust me, Tulsa has a long proud tradition of poor attendance... so I'm a bit of an expert. If they added in an auto 12k for students for each game, I could easily see the fake number = 30k. And yeah - you guys had a reason for poor attendance. We stunk it up nearly as bad last year and I struggled to make it to the last couple of games. So I'm not blaming anyone, I don't mind going to a game and losing - but bad football is hard to watch.

I'm sure UCF will bounce back fast.
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UCF's first 2 home games had near 40k but when you lose to Furman it's going to go downhill very fast. Add in a coach resigning/retiring early and blowouts & it was a perfect storm for bad attendance

even with all that I thought the Thanksgiving game did ok w attendance given the circumstances
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(12-17-2015 02:36 PM)knightastic Wrote:  UCF's first 2 home games had near 40k but when you lose to Furman it's going to go downhill very fast. Add in a coach resigning/retiring early and blowouts & it was a perfect storm for bad attendance

even with all that I thought the Thanksgiving game did ok w attendance given the circumstances

Attendance is funny to predict...if UCF has 2-3 more years of suck...20k will be the new norm. I've seen it first hand...students are fickle and it won't be cool anymore, alumni come up with excuses not to go (kid's soccer game, clean the pool, mow the lawn). Winning is the best cure.
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(12-17-2015 12:17 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  New capacity for UC is 40,000.
UPDATED. Thank you!


(12-17-2015 01:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 10:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Top Ten Average Attendance/Stadium Capacity
BYU Indy 58,532/64,045
Temple AAC 44,159/68,532
Memphis AAC 43,802/59,308
East Carolina AAC 43,274/50,000
Cincinnati AAC 37,096/40,000
Houston AAC 33,980/40,000
Boise St. MWC 33,612/36,387
Navy AAC 31,669/34,000
Army Indy 30,991/38,000
UCF AAC 30,065/44,206

BYU and Army aren't G5. They are, however, nonP5. Slight difference which means everything when NY6 Bids are announced.
GOOD POINT! BYU and Army are not eligible for that bowl - you guys are.


(12-17-2015 01:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Temple, Memphis and Cincy had their best attendance years EVER. Houston had it's best year since 1979.

Houston will open with OU next year at NRG. It should sell out. In addition, with Herman, Ward, Ayers etc. coming back from a Peach Bowl season to go with our recruiting momentum, I expect UH season ticket base to climb from 14K to 18-21K. As a result, Houston should see a nice jump next year in per game attendance.
Temple, Cincy and Houston should still be good. Jury is out on Memphis.


(12-17-2015 01:32 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 12:54 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  When Scott Frost gets us playing #UCFast we'll be pushing 60K.

Pushing 60k in a 45k seat stadium? Someone call the Orlando FD
NEAT TRICK.
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(12-17-2015 03:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 01:32 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 12:54 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  When Scott Frost gets us playing #UCFast we'll be pushing 60K.

Pushing 60k in a 45k seat stadium? Someone call the Orlando FD
NEAT TRICK.

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(12-17-2015 03:12 PM)justin_sane15 Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 03:04 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 01:32 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  
(12-17-2015 12:54 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  When Scott Frost gets us playing #UCFast we'll be pushing 60K.

Pushing 60k in a 45k seat stadium? Someone call the Orlando FD
NEAT TRICK.

Fire Marshalls HATE HIM

UCF doesn't need a bigger stadium, they just need the guy who counts attendance for Kentucky home football games!
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