I go to every game and I really like the team and kids but think that our coach is over his head and overpaid.

(12-17-2015 11:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:34 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  The death rattle of a program- blame the fans. It's not the overpaid/underperforming coach who has divided the fanbase or the administration who has failed to act despite plenty of data demonstrating he's not the guy, it's the fans fault. Memphians need to learn their place I guess. I might be been wrong about Bowen, maybe he does need to go to Illinois, because I'm getting sick of this kind of bs.

If we had hired another Tic Price right after Cal and then brought Pastner in after that coach was fired. Then you and other would be shouting to the rheavens about the great job he was doing. The ONLY reason you are beotching today is you are expecting him to continue at an unrealistic level set in a short 4 year period in which questionable activities were used.

You may get your wish and we hire a new coach. But do not beotch when we do hire another Tic Price because that level coach is the ONLY one who would take a chance and take the job. Coaches talk and they know that if the best first 6 year record in school's history is not enough to keep a job, then the expectations are way to high and is a no win situation.

So do you go to games?

(12-17-2015 11:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:34 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  The death rattle of a program- blame the fans. It's not the overpaid/underperforming coach who has divided the fanbase or the administration who has failed to act despite plenty of data demonstrating he's not the guy, it's the fans fault. Memphians need to learn their place I guess. I might be been wrong about Bowen, maybe he does need to go to Illinois, because I'm getting sick of this kind of bs.

If we had hired another Tic Price right after Cal and then brought Pastner in after that coach was fired. Then you and other would be shouting to the rheavens about the great job he was doing. The ONLY reason you are beotching today is you are expecting him to continue at an unrealistic level set in a short 4 year period in which questionable activities were used.

You may get your wish and we hire a new coach. But do not beotch when we do hire another Tic Price because that level coach is the ONLY one who would take a chance and take the job. Coaches talk and they know that if the best first 6 year record in school's history is not enough to keep a job, then the expectations are way to high and is a no win situation.

You've been trumpeting this canard for months to years, but constantly repeating it will never make it true.

A lot of fans don't expect Pastner to live up to Cal. A lot do expect him to beat someone of consequence and to make an NCAA tourney run once every couple of years - if it can be done at Xavier and Gonzaga and Butler and VCU and Wichita State and Dayton, then there is NO reason it cannot be done at Memphis, especially considering the recruiting classes he has pulled in since being hired.

Even without those two requirements, not getting beat by the East Carolinas or Tulanes of the world would also help his case. And we all know that UTSA and UT-Arlington and Murray State and the like are good programs at the times Memphis has played them, but there is NO reason you should lose to ALL of them at home. None.

(12-17-2015 11:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:34 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  The death rattle of a program- blame the fans. It's not the overpaid/underperforming coach who has divided the fanbase or the administration who has failed to act despite plenty of data demonstrating he's not the guy, it's the fans fault. Memphians need to learn their place I guess. I might be been wrong about Bowen, maybe he does need to go to Illinois, because I'm getting sick of this kind of bs.

If we had hired another Tic Price right after Cal and then brought Pastner in after that coach was fired. Then you and other would be shouting to the rheavens about the great job he was doing. The ONLY reason you are beotching today is you are expecting him to continue at an unrealistic level set in a short 4 year period in which questionable activities were used.

You may get your wish and we hire a new coach. But do not beotch when we do hire another Tic Price because that level coach is the ONLY one who would take a chance and take the job. Coaches talk and they know that if the best first 6 year record in school's history is not enough to keep a job, then the expectations are way to high and is a no win situation.

If there is a coaching candidate that is scared off by JP's record against ranked teams or his NCAAt results, then I don't want him anyway.

(12-17-2015 11:12 AM)cmt Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:49 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:41 AM)cmt Wrote:  The fan base has divided itself. Half the fan base are Tiger fans. We go to the games to cheer on our team. We are happy with wins and unhappy with losses. The rest of y'all have become some sort of weird group that thinks constantly putting down the players, hating on the coach and boycotting the games is a good positive plan for greatness. That's what's weird.

No, it's not weird CMT.

I have football season tickets. Used to split hoops season tickets. Hope to have them again some day soon.

I'll put it this way. Once a fan has made the decision that a coaching change must be made, in that fan's mind, every second that coach remains only delays the eventual return of the program to relevance.

So supporting that coach makes no sense to those people, me included.

To each his own, I guess. In my mind, not supporting the team is never a positive thing to do. Boycotting because you don't like the coach is petty, cheap and small minded.

Tic did a bad job, so did Rip and Larry Porter and many many more. That has never stopped me from supporting my team. Did Wayne Yates ever make the tournament? The place was packed anyway.

The weird, misplaced hate towards Pastner's underachieving, but not terrible, teams makes me wonder what some of you would do in most school's (houston, Tulane, ECU, let alone the bottom of the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 in basketball) situation or why you even bother with college sports at all.

Only a few teams each year make it big, and we have had our share of great seasons and great players. And in football, OMG, what happens if we lose more than we win again, which is the norm.

This total all day every day negative crap is really starting to get to me. This year's team is well worth watching and if Pastner doesn't make it, maybe the next coach will. But all signs point to Pastner putting together a good season this time and I will be there to enjoy it.

Hi CMT. You start off reasonable, "to each his his own, I guess".

But then you go into this "weird, misplaced hate" mode. I don't hate Pastner, and I don't know anyone who does. You and others use this false argument to diminish those who you disagree with.

And I and most are not asking to make it as big as Cal did. I appreciate that he graduates his players and has not got the school in trouble.

But I don't need anymore evidence that he can't successfully run a program like ours. I don't think he can anywhere, but after he leaves Memphis, I don't really care.

So why spend money to support mediocrity when, in my mind, that only extends the amount of time we are average?

Memphis has won big in hoops over 6 decades with at least 5 different head coaches. It is almost hard not to win big here. We will win again, sooner than most think possible, when Stoudamire takes over. So if my not going to games speeds up the process, then I think that is being a good fan.

(12-17-2015 10:28 AM)jcisonline Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:24 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  That is a weird way to say, "If you are a Tiger fan, we are sorry that the athletic department has delivered a substandard basketball product to you for 6 years straight based on the unrealistic standard set by Calipari and no other coach in Tiger History"

FIFY

Nobody expected 36+ wins from Pastner in a yearly basis. Your "unrealistic standard" remark is bull.

What's expected is a team that competes with the decent teams on the schedule. If there's any hallmark of Pastner's teams is they fold like a cheap chair against decent competition.

I won't speak before Finch...but I know his teams wouldn't lay down for solid teams like Pastner's have a tendency to.

He should be very careful. I know many, many people who are not Tiger fans who turned out to football games this year. That ole miss and Navy game attendance would look different if everyone took his advice.

(12-17-2015 11:57 AM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:28 AM)jcisonline Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:24 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  That is a weird way to say, "If you are a Tiger fan, we are sorry that the athletic department has delivered a substandard basketball product to you for 6 years straight based on the unrealistic standard set by Calipari and no other coach in Tiger History"

FIFY

Nobody expected 36+ wins from Pastner in a yearly basis. Your "unrealistic standard" remark is bull.

What's expected is a team that competes with the decent teams on the schedule. If there's any hallmark of Pastner's teams is they fold like a cheap chair against decent competition.

I won't speak before Finch...but I know his teams wouldn't lay down for solid teams like Pastner's have a tendency to.

Yeah but they beat Louisville twice in one year...a year where Louisville beat exactly ZERO P5 schools out of conference (beating Manhattan and St. Louis just to make the Sweet 16)...and they beat Oklahoma State...the year Oklahoma State faded fast, finishing with 13 losses and got knocked out of the tourney in their opening game...and they played Kansas close that one time, Florida and Oklahoma too.

(12-17-2015 10:34 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:28 AM)jcisonline Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:24 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  That is a weird way to say, "If you are a Tiger fan, we are sorry that the athletic department has delivered a substandard basketball product to you for 6 years straight based on the unrealistic standard set by Calipari and no other coach in Tiger History"

FIFY

Is that team on the court right now fun for you to watch? They play some of the most boring basketball in Tiger history. At least with Joe, DJ, and EW every game kept you coming despite the terrible record in big games. The only one on this team that could be that kind of player is KJ and he hasn't done it yet.

Yeah, that 2011-2012 team with WB was fun to watch. I went to the conference tourney that year and he played with Marshall and UCF like we were the Globetrotters.

Aside from the AAC tourney bust it seemed like someone on the 2013-2014--Joe, or Chris, or Dixon was always going off on the other teams too.

I miss the old "their buttholes were getting tight" days.

(12-17-2015 11:42 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Our team is nowhere near as good as the Joe Jackson teams and really doesn't have the potential to reach those teams. They also never sniffed the 2nd weekend of the tournament. It isn't their fault either. Watching football during the Porter years and then watching Fuente take a bunch of 2nd tier players and win a conference championship is the worst thing that could have happened to Pastner. It just proved that coaching is the most important thing in sports and Pastner doesn't get it yet. Our schedule this year is absolutely terrible and we are squeaking out wins over 1 win teams. The Oklahoma game has not been representative of our season.

"watching Fuente take a bunch of 2nd tier players and win a conference championship is the worst thing that could have happened to Pastner."

What a great point, Titans.

If coaching was easy to measure, like measuring a player's height, vertical jump, it would be easier to hire great coaches.

(12-17-2015 11:34 AM)btiger Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 11:27 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  With that statement it sounds like we are stuck with Josh for the balance of his contract.

he'll get an extension at end of year

Did "Big Bobby" tell you that ?

(12-17-2015 11:27 AM)Flugel Wrote:  I try not to get into this particular pi$$ing contest. I nor any of my family are UM grads. (Although my son is currently in the International MBA program) but were are season ticket holders to the UM BBall and FB programs. We go because we like to see the competition and support the "home team" (I am not from Memphis but have been here since late '80's.) This year's team has a much better cohesiveness than the last couple of years. I do enjoy the additional ball movement from the stagnancy of the throw it down low to AN down low and stand and watch. offense. There was definitely an issue last few years with the team's togetherness.

The fan base here has a perfect right to gripe and complain about things they don't like and don't understand (which is sadly more than they know-ignorance is bliss). But to withdraw support for the program is not the way this works. The "take my ball and go home" attitude is more detrimental to the programs and in the end does more harm than continued support. But again, its your $$ so make your own choices.

However, the people who constantly hijack almost EVERY thread into a bash Pastner thread with childish, snide, inane and over the top sarcasm comments is getting not only tiresome but REALLY boring. It is also is the reason this board has become almost unreadable. We get it, you don't want Pastner to be here anymore.

I don't think Pastner was a bad hire. Although, I did realize he was going to struggle in the maturity area and his all around good natured personality would likely wear thin for some here if he didn't go deep in the tournament. However, I disliked the Jones and T Price eras and wished they could have done a better job of transitioning Larry Finch out of his duties. I also didn't care for the slime factor of Cal. I don't think that the Pastner era will "damage" the program. It may not reach the bar that some here think it should but high graduation rates, clean program, no co-ed/employee/waitress affairs or other sordid events is a good thing.

While I don't like everything that Pastner does, I think I'm starting to see a coach who is maturing and I think will start making some nice leaps if he can continue to get players. I'm not sure that it will be at UM because of the constant fan base who help poison the recruiting well. (However, that may actually help him get better "team" players than the local "all about me" with entourages players.) But many continue to help make it more difficult on the recruiting side with the aforementioned constant haranguing. Some unfortunately, I am beginning to think have that as a true goal.

I'm also a Grizz "legend" season ticket holder and lived through the ugly years and 20 win seasons. I spend more than I probably should on sports attendance but it is what I like to do with my $$. As long as I can afford the $ to continue being a fan, I will. I will NOT bail and/or constantly throw darts on a chat room. That is my choice and it is NO LESS VALID than those who disagree with that strategy.

Stepping off the soapbox now. Sorry for the rant but I would love to see the chat room become once again entertaining and informative and not a continued way for some of you to ruin every thread with the same old shtick . This used to be a great place with very creative and witty people. I do miss that....a lot!!

Well said. I am a football season ticket holder, I have been to multiple basketball games, this year and other years, with tickets from a corporate account. I have supported Memphis State/Univ. of Memphis since i was a kid in the 70's. Frankly, for the life of me, I don't understand how, so called "fans" defile your own. Those young men are our team. Our "own". Josh is not the best coach in the college game, but he is our coach, my coach. While he is here, I support him and the program. If he gets worse, he will lose his job. And many of you will rejoice. Sad. Until that time, I will continue to support our "own". Nothing, would please me more, than if some of you b!t@he$ would become a good fan of Ole Miss, UT or any other team. You are "great" fans that some other fine team deserves.

(12-17-2015 12:05 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:34 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:28 AM)jcisonline Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:24 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  That is a weird way to say, "If you are a Tiger fan, we are sorry that the athletic department has delivered a substandard basketball product to you for 6 years straight based on the unrealistic standard set by Calipari and no other coach in Tiger History"

FIFY

Is that team on the court right now fun for you to watch? They play some of the most boring basketball in Tiger history. At least with Joe, DJ, and EW every game kept you coming despite the terrible record in big games. The only one on this team that could be that kind of player is KJ and he hasn't done it yet.

Yeah, that 2011-2012 team with WB was fun to watch. I went to the conference tourney that year and he played with Marshall and UCF like we were the Globetrotters.

Aside from the AAC tourney bust it seemed like someone on the 2013-2014--Joe, or Chris, or Dixon was always going off on the other teams too.

I miss the old "their buttholes were getting tight" days.

Once Murphy left, they couldn't play a lick of defense, but at least they brought fans to the games despite their coaching. They had so much untapped potential.

(12-17-2015 11:38 AM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:34 AM)bluecrew Wrote:  The death rattle of a program- blame the fans. It's not the overpaid/underperforming coach who has divided the fanbase or the administration who has failed to act despite plenty of data demonstrating he's not the guy, it's the fans fault. Memphians need to learn their place I guess. I might be been wrong about Bowen, maybe he does need to go to Illinois, because I'm getting sick of this kind of bs.

If we had hired another Tic Price right after Cal and then brought Pastner in after that coach was fired. Then you and other would be shouting to the rheavens about the great job he was doing. The ONLY reason you are beotching today is you are expecting him to continue at an unrealistic level set in a short 4 year period in which questionable activities were used.

You may get your wish and we hire a new coach. But do not beotch when we do hire another Tic Price because that level coach is the ONLY one who would take a chance and take the job. Coaches talk and they know that if the best first 6 year record in school's history is not enough to keep a job, then the expectations are way to high and is a no win situation.

Of all the tiresome, ignorant posts, these are the ones that are the biggest pile of garbage. I"m like most fans on here- I've spent DECADES supporting the Memphis Tigers, as have my parents and grandparents before them. There may have been a few (very few) who showed up just for Cal and then left right after Cal who this may have applied to- but they're long gone. Grow up and get over yourself.

(12-17-2015 11:12 AM)cmt Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:49 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 10:41 AM)cmt Wrote:  The fan base has divided itself. Half the fan base are Tiger fans. We go to the games to cheer on our team. We are happy with wins and unhappy with losses. The rest of y'all have become some sort of weird group that thinks constantly putting down the players, hating on the coach and boycotting the games is a good positive plan for greatness. That's what's weird.

No, it's not weird CMT.

I have football season tickets. Used to split hoops season tickets. Hope to have them again some day soon.

I'll put it this way. Once a fan has made the decision that a coaching change must be made, in that fan's mind, every second that coach remains only delays the eventual return of the program to relevance.

So supporting that coach makes no sense to those people, me included.

To each his own, I guess. In my mind, not supporting the team is never a positive thing to do. Boycotting because you don't like the coach is petty, cheap and small minded.

Tic did a bad job, so did Rip and Larry Porter and many many more. That has never stopped me from supporting my team. Did Wayne Yates ever make the tournament? The place was packed anyway.

The weird, misplaced hate towards Pastner's underachieving, but not terrible, teams makes me wonder what some of you would do in most school's (houston, Tulane, ECU, let alone the bottom of the SEC, Big 10 or Big 12 in basketball) situation or why you even bother with college sports at all.

Only a few teams each year make it big, and we have had our share of great seasons and great players. And in football, OMG, what happens if we lose more than we win again, which is the norm.

This total all day every day negative crap is really starting to get to me. This year's team is well worth watching and if Pastner doesn't make it, maybe the next coach will. But all signs point to Pastner putting together a good season this time and I will be there to enjoy it.

Nice post

Did not hear Bowen first hand.
But based on the quote in this thread, I like his passion.

The only thing that the poor attendance accomplishes is to make it harder to get into a better conference.

(12-17-2015 12:15 PM)bcmemphis Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 11:27 AM)Flugel Wrote:  I try not to get into this particular pi$$ing contest. I nor any of my family are UM grads. (Although my son is currently in the International MBA program) but were are season ticket holders to the UM BBall and FB programs. We go because we like to see the competition and support the "home team" (I am not from Memphis but have been here since late '80's.) This year's team has a much better cohesiveness than the last couple of years. I do enjoy the additional ball movement from the stagnancy of the throw it down low to AN down low and stand and watch. offense. There was definitely an issue last few years with the team's togetherness.

The fan base here has a perfect right to gripe and complain about things they don't like and don't understand (which is sadly more than they know-ignorance is bliss). But to withdraw support for the program is not the way this works. The "take my ball and go home" attitude is more detrimental to the programs and in the end does more harm than continued support. But again, its your $$ so make your own choices.

However, the people who constantly hijack almost EVERY thread into a bash Pastner thread with childish, snide, inane and over the top sarcasm comments is getting not only tiresome but REALLY boring. It is also is the reason this board has become almost unreadable. We get it, you don't want Pastner to be here anymore.

I don't think Pastner was a bad hire. Although, I did realize he was going to struggle in the maturity area and his all around good natured personality would likely wear thin for some here if he didn't go deep in the tournament. However, I disliked the Jones and T Price eras and wished they could have done a better job of transitioning Larry Finch out of his duties. I also didn't care for the slime factor of Cal. I don't think that the Pastner era will "damage" the program. It may not reach the bar that some here think it should but high graduation rates, clean program, no co-ed/employee/waitress affairs or other sordid events is a good thing.

While I don't like everything that Pastner does, I think I'm starting to see a coach who is maturing and I think will start making some nice leaps if he can continue to get players. I'm not sure that it will be at UM because of the constant fan base who help poison the recruiting well. (However, that may actually help him get better "team" players than the local "all about me" with entourages players.) But many continue to help make it more difficult on the recruiting side with the aforementioned constant haranguing. Some unfortunately, I am beginning to think have that as a true goal.

I'm also a Grizz "legend" season ticket holder and lived through the ugly years and 20 win seasons. I spend more than I probably should on sports attendance but it is what I like to do with my $$. As long as I can afford the $ to continue being a fan, I will. I will NOT bail and/or constantly throw darts on a chat room. That is my choice and it is NO LESS VALID than those who disagree with that strategy.

Stepping off the soapbox now. Sorry for the rant but I would love to see the chat room become once again entertaining and informative and not a continued way for some of you to ruin every thread with the same old shtick . This used to be a great place with very creative and witty people. I do miss that....a lot!!

Well said. I am a football season ticket holder, I have been to multiple basketball games, this year and other years, with tickets from a corporate account. I have supported Memphis State/Univ. of Memphis since i was a kid in the 70's. Frankly, for the life of me, I don't understand how, so called "fans" defile your own. Those young men are our team. Our "own". Josh is not the best coach in the college game, but he is our coach, my coach. While he is here, I support him and the program. If he gets worse, he will lose his job. [b]And many of you will rejoice. Sad.[/b] Until that time, I will continue to support our "own". Nothing, would please me more, than if some of you b!t@he$ would become a good fan of Ole Miss, UT or any other team. You are "great" fans that some other fine team deserves.

"And many of you will rejoice. Sad."

I appreciate your sentiments, but why is this sad? I'm being serious, not sarcastic. Were we supposed to act sad when an underachieving coach, Larry Porter, was replaced? I was happy as hell that our administration had the guts to do it after only 2 years, thus not extending the decline of the football program.

(12-17-2015 12:32 PM)TIGER7880 Wrote:  The only thing that the poor attendance accomplishes is to make it harder to get into a better conference.

Football attendance was up this year doe.

(12-17-2015 11:42 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Our team is nowhere near as good as the Joe Jackson teams and really doesn't have the potential to reach those teams. They also never sniffed the 2nd weekend of the tournament. It isn't their fault either. Watching football during the Porter years and then watching Fuente take a bunch of 2nd tier players and win a conference championship is the worst thing that could have happened to Pastner. It just proved that coaching is the most important thing in sports and Pastner doesn't get it yet. Our schedule this year is absolutely terrible and we are squeaking out wins over 1 win teams. The Oklahoma game has not been representative of our season.

So, we need to stay home and dismiss the Oklahoma game simply because, we tried hard to win but fell short by not beating the #3 team in the country? And the reason is.....for some weird reason....a game that actually took place with real players, real effort and real dedication....is not representative of a season....so let's boycott the team?