(12-18-2015 09:39 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:25 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:07 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Wow. So it is true? The STARTING QB at EMU is transferring to Ferris? That is a new low. Iannotti transferred to Southern Illinois because he couldn't get on the field at EMU. Bell on the other hand beat out Roback, so is better than him, but decided that Ferris would be a better situation! It would be like if Michigan's starting QB decided on his own, that CMU would be a better place to play. These things never happen...until now and only to Eastern.

Kyle McMahon transferred from EMU to GVSU. Not the first time a move like this was made.

We all generally agree that Bell is not a D1 QB, but he is a good athlete. He's not better than Roback.

He's not better than Roback? He beat him out twice!!! Chris Creighton and Kalen DeBoer certainly think he is better. I've watched both play and I certainly think Bell is better. Looks like we have some revisionist history going on here. Roback is underwhelming to say the least. He makes bad decisions, is not overly athletic or accurate. You could even say he is not a 'plus' QB. I don't think Eastern has ever won a MAC game with Roback starting at QB.

The Western game his Freshman year. And Reggie won what..1 last year? I think Bell would be an asset, but not at quarterback. And I have seen no confirmation or even rumor other than on here, that he is transferring to Ferris. Even if he does, so what? He wants to play QB and isn't good enough to do so and stay healthy at this level. He is an excellent runner, but has never really shown the ability to throw the ball effectively.

(12-18-2015 12:42 AM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 08:06 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(12-17-2015 06:03 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear EagleTough,
I read all of the above. I was just trying to verify that he was going to Division II. There were some who didn't think, or believe that was the case.

Haha, that was only Bob the troll, he's wrong about everything!

Instead of admitting that Bell was probably a D2 QB from the get go, and realizing this is the perfect situation for Bell to actually play somewhere, and showcase his skills, which led to a mutually beneficial parting of their ways.........Bob does his usual, spin-master best, to try and take a shot at EMU football.

He is 'dumbfounded', and 'knew' that Reggie would never leave for lowly FSU, because he's always right when he follows his 'instincts'.

It will work out better for both parties Bob, enough said.

Good luck to Mr. Bell!

Why do you think it was mutually beneficial? EMU lost a veteran player who was also one of the fastest on the team.

Because he wasn't going to play QB at EMU. He had his opportunity, it didn't work out.

To your second point, we have a lot of veteran guys, and fast guys, who will never see the field. If they want to leave to get an opportunity to play somewhere else, no big deal, it just opens up another scholarship for somebody else who might actually be able to contribute.

Happens all the time in college football.

(12-18-2015 09:43 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:35 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:25 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 09:07 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Wow. So it is true? The STARTING QB at EMU is transferring to Ferris? That is a new low. Iannotti transferred to Southern Illinois because he couldn't get on the field at EMU. Bell on the other hand beat out Roback, so is better than him, but decided that Ferris would be a better situation! It would be like if Michigan's starting QB decided on his own, that CMU would be a better place to play. These things never happen...until now and only to Eastern.

Kyle McMahon transferred from EMU to GVSU. Not the first time a move like this was made.

We all generally agree that Bell is not a D1 QB, but he is a good athlete. He's not better than Roback.

The one thing about Bell is that he isn't a midwest guy. I have no idea if he wants to stay in the Midwest or go home to So Cal. I'm not familiar with FCS or D-II football in Cal i fornia.

Steve is correct. I could see him playing in California. Cal-Davis or something like that because he is from LA. But Ferris State in the middle of nowhere?

Bob, you've lost the argument, nobody agrees with you that Bell was the better QB, and nobody is trying to blame EMU, except you.

Again, read this article, without all of your biases, and it makes perfect sense why Reggie would transfer to Ferris:

http://wtop.com/ncaa-football/2015/12/fe...rica-team/

He is obviously trying to further his football career, he could care less about California. Ferris is a very good D2 football school, their senior QB is a finalist again for the Harlon Hill Trophy (The D2 Heisman), after winning it last year, and he also just set the NCAA record for career rushing yards by a QB.

How is this NOT a great opportunity for Mr. Bell? Eliminate your negative EMU bias, wish Reggie well, and stop blaming EMU. They did nothing wrong....it's called competition.

The fact that you are so adamantly against it, only confirms it was probably the right decision by all parties.

I want Eagle Tough to admit that Reggie Bell beat out Brogan Throw-wack twice in head to head competition for the starting QB job.

You cannot revise history to fit your narrative. Bell was the starting QB until he was injured. Period. End of story.

(12-18-2015 02:01 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I want Eagle Tough to admit that Reggie Bell beat out Brogan Throw-wack twice in head to head competition for the starting QB job.

You cannot revise history to fit your narrative. Bell was the starting QB until he was injured. Period. End of story.

And until he came back and was completely ineffective.

I'm not saying Roback is great by any means, but it's evident to anyone with two eyes that he's a better option at QB than Bell.

(12-18-2015 02:01 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I want Eagle Tough to admit that Reggie Bell beat out Brogan Throw-wack twice in head to head competition for the starting QB job.

You cannot revise history to fit your narrative. Bell was the starting QB until he was injured. Period. End of story.

You lost the argument, Reggie lost the competition, Reggie just transferred.

Period. End of story.

(12-18-2015 02:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:01 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I want Eagle Tough to admit that Reggie Bell beat out Brogan Throw-wack twice in head to head competition for the starting QB job.

You cannot revise history to fit your narrative. Bell was the starting QB until he was injured. Period. End of story.

And until he came back and was completely ineffective.

I'm not saying Roback is great by any means, but it's evident to anyone with two eyes that he's a better option at QB than Bell.

Oh okay. Chris Creighton and Kalen DeBoer must not have 2 eyes. Eagle Sam, you should be coach since you apparently are a better judge of talent then them. Man, good luck winning with Roback.

(12-18-2015 02:40 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:19 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:01 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I want Eagle Tough to admit that Reggie Bell beat out Brogan Throw-wack twice in head to head competition for the starting QB job.

You cannot revise history to fit your narrative. Bell was the starting QB until he was injured. Period. End of story.

And until he came back and was completely ineffective.

I'm not saying Roback is great by any means, but it's evident to anyone with two eyes that he's a better option at QB than Bell.

Oh okay. Chris Creighton and Kalen DeBoer must not have 2 eyes. Eagle Sam, you should be coach since you apparently are a better judge of talent then them. Man, good luck winning with Roback.

(12-18-2015 02:37 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 02:01 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  I want Eagle Tough to admit that Reggie Bell beat out Brogan Throw-wack twice in head to head competition for the starting QB job.

You cannot revise history to fit your narrative. Bell was the starting QB until he was injured. Period. End of story.

You lost the argument, Reggie lost the competition, Reggie just transferred.

Period. End of story.

And your son's team will win 2 games in 2016. Period, End of story.

Hey Bobby, weren't you the one stating that kids need to be left out of board arguments?

(12-18-2015 02:57 PM)masttg Wrote:  Hey Bobby, weren't you the one stating that kids need to be left out of board arguments?

Haha, Bobby is an EMU hating troll. Also an uninformed, big baby.

It's kind of fun watching him melt down, and show his true colors.

It's all good. My son will continue to work hard to bring the program back to respectability. He will learn humility, and how to battle through adversity. He has never been on a losing team in his life, but 1 win season's build character and toughness. The program is headed in the right direction, regardless of the haters.

Bob, on the other hand, will wake up tomorrow the same miserable person that woke up today.

Cheers Bobby

Is it also fun turning your back and insulting a kid who left the program because he was sick of losing? A kid who for 2 consecutive years EARNED the starting QB job and gave EMU a modicum of hope with his dynamic play?....when I bought the Athlon football preview magazine for 2015 there was a picture of Reggie Bell inside, not Eagle Tough or Brogan Roback. I am sick of the classless buffoonery on this site.

Eagle Tough, you will wake up tomorrow and believe global warming isn't real and kiss your poster of Rafael "Ted" Cruz.

(12-18-2015 03:44 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Is it also fun turning your back and insulting a kid who left the program because he was sick of losing? A kid who for 2 consecutive years EARNED the starting QB job and gave EMU a modicum of hope with his dynamic play?....when I bought the Athlon football preview magazine for 2015 there was a picture of Reggie Bell inside, not Eagle Tough or Brogan Roback. I am sick of the classless buffoonery on this site.

Eagle Tough, you will wake up tomorrow and believe global warming isn't real and kiss your poster of Rafael "Ted" Cruz.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby......you know you're not going to get away with that, right?

Not only did I NEVER insult Reggie Bell, the first line of my first response in this thread started...."Wish him nothing but success going forward."

I also went on to say that I "really think he wants to stay at QB and it just didn't work out."

Also my belief that the transfer is "perfect situation for him to actually play and showcase his skills, which is mutually beneficial."

Also stated multiple times, with a link to back up my assertion, that if he does indeed go to Ferris, I think it's a great opportunity for the young man.

I honestly hope he goes to Ferris and wins the Harlon Hill Trophy and has a fantastic rest of his career. Even if that happens, that wouldn't change my opinion that he just wasn't the QB that was going to be able to compete at a high level in the MAC, and lead a possible turnaround of the program.

If he goes on to be successful somewhere else, you, on the other hand, will almost certainly use it in some twisted way, to blame the program, and use it as 'proof' that he should have been our starter.

Look in the mirror Bob, YOU are the classless buffoon on this site, and apparently don't even know it. Everyone has told you as much, yet you refuse to hear. Your endless negativity has worn out its welcome.

As far as your social and political rant.....yes, the globe (and universe) is forever warming... and cooling, and warming... and cooling, and warming... and cooling. As much as you think you think you have any real knowledge or control over it.........sure Bob.

...and who the hell is Rafael "Ted" Cruz? THIS IS A FOOTBALL BOARD MY MAN, GET BACK ON TOPIC!

Good luck Reggie!

(12-18-2015 05:09 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 03:44 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  Is it also fun turning your back and insulting a kid who left the program because he was sick of losing? A kid who for 2 consecutive years EARNED the starting QB job and gave EMU a modicum of hope with his dynamic play?....when I bought the Athlon football preview magazine for 2015 there was a picture of Reggie Bell inside, not Eagle Tough or Brogan Roback. I am sick of the classless buffoonery on this site.

Eagle Tough, you will wake up tomorrow and believe global warming isn't real and kiss your poster of Rafael "Ted" Cruz.

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby......you know you're not going to get away with that, right?

Not only did I NEVER insult Reggie Bell, the first line of my first response in this thread started...."Wish him nothing but success going forward."

I also went on to say that I "really think he wants to stay at QB and it just didn't work out."

Also my belief that the transfer is "perfect situation for him to actually play and showcase his skills, which is mutually beneficial."

Also stated multiple times, with a link to back up my assertion, that if he does indeed go to Ferris, I think it's a great opportunity for the young man.

I honestly hope he goes to Ferris and wins the Harlon Hill Trophy and has a fantastic rest of his career. Even if that happens, that wouldn't change my opinion that he just wasn't the QB that was going to be able to compete at a high level in the MAC, and lead a possible turnaround of the program.

If he goes on to be successful somewhere else, you, on the other hand, will almost certainly use it in some twisted way, to blame the program, and use it as 'proof' that he should have been our starter.

Look in the mirror Bob, YOU are the classless buffoon on this site, and apparently don't even know it. Everyone has told you as much, yet you refuse to hear. Your endless negativity has worn out its welcome.

As far as your social and political rant.....yes, the globe (and universe) is forever warming... and cooling, and warming... and cooling, and warming... and cooling. As much as you think you think you have any real knowledge or control over it.........sure Bob.

...and who the hell is Rafael "Ted" Cruz? THIS IS A FOOTBALL BOARD MY MAN, GET BACK ON TOPIC!

Good luck Reggie!

That was a thing of beauty right there Eagle Tough!

I've said it a million times: Bob is nothing more than an EMU hating, CMU-degree-having, MSU loving troll. He NEVER declines an opportunity to kick EMU in the junk. Quit feeding him. #ignoreBob

Bob Wickerson... first off, good luck to Reggie Bell. I think this move might be a good fit for him.
Here are some real facts for you:
Roback has 3 wins, Bell had 1 win ( Roback beat WMU his Freshman year)
My source within the program told me, that Roback was beating him out in Spring ball, also during 2 a days in the fall. He said, Bell starting this year was a gift. That Roback definately beat him out. Even when Bell came back from his injury, the coach's gave him every chance to win his job back, but he could NOT beat Roback out!
If you compare Roback's stats, and Bells stats, you can see why Roback WON the starting job. We scored twice as many TD's this year compared to last year. We threw the ball for more yards this year than last year. Our running game was so much better this year than last year, we had a 1000 yard running back this year.
Here is how Roback ended up this year in the MAC:
- 9th in passing average
- 10th in passing efficiency
- 7th in passing percentage
- 10th in total yards
Bob, I know you are going to complain about his TO"s-Roback 11 int's. but..
the last two games, Roback had 5 TD's with ZERO int's. I think he is matured as the season went on.( remember, he did not get to play last year due to injury)
I think this is interesting:
CMU-QB-10 int's
UB-QB- 15 int's
Toledo- QB-11 int's
UMASS-QB- 13 int's

Bob, Merry Christmas, and I feel sorry for your wife!! (if you are married)

(12-18-2015 08:43 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I've said it a million times: Bob is nothing more than an EMU hating, CMU-degree-having, MSU loving troll. He NEVER declines an opportunity to kick EMU in the junk. Quit feeding him. #ignoreBob

Because Bovine has NEVER been critical of EMU. #hypocrite.

(12-18-2015 08:53 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:43 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I've said it a million times: Bob is nothing more than an EMU hating, CMU-degree-having, MSU loving troll. He NEVER declines an opportunity to kick EMU in the junk. Quit feeding him. #ignoreBob

Because Bovine has NEVER been critical of EMU. #hypocrite.

I am critical. There's a lot to be critical of. But I take joys in the (few) victories, and do not spin everything I can against EMU.

(12-18-2015 08:57 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:53 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:43 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I've said it a million times: Bob is nothing more than an EMU hating, CMU-degree-having, MSU loving troll. He NEVER declines an opportunity to kick EMU in the junk. Quit feeding him. #ignoreBob

Because Bovine has NEVER been critical of EMU. #hypocrite.

I am critical. There's a lot to be critical of. But I take joys in the (few) victories, and do not spin everything I can against EMU.

I am sorry you get that impression. It is virtually impossible to find anything positive about the football program. I am very proud of the direction of the basketball program. We are not there yet but with the MAC's next NBA player on the roster, good things are right around the corner and I was a harsh critic of Murphy in the past. I have sat through 20 straight non-winning football seasons. You have to either have a mental disorder or some weird OCD affliction to stay on board with that disaster of a program. The latest attendance figures have been released by the NCAA and EMU came in dead last, down 67% from last year, averaging fewer than 5,000 per game. It pains me to say it, but it might be best to put this dog to sleep. We had one last chance to get it right and we hired Lyke and Creighton and that pretty much sealed the program's fate. My problem is that I am too damned honest.

(12-18-2015 09:11 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:57 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:53 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(12-18-2015 08:43 PM)holybovine Wrote:  I've said it a million times: Bob is nothing more than an EMU hating, CMU-degree-having, MSU loving troll. He NEVER declines an opportunity to kick EMU in the junk. Quit feeding him. #ignoreBob

Because Bovine has NEVER been critical of EMU. #hypocrite.

I am critical. There's a lot to be critical of. But I take joys in the (few) victories, and do not spin everything I can against EMU.

I am sorry you get that impression. It is virtually impossible to find anything positive about the football program. I am very proud of the direction of the basketball program. We are not there yet but with the MAC's next NBA player on the roster, good things are right around the corner and I was a harsh critic of Murphy in the past. I have sat through 20 straight non-winning football seasons. You have to either have a mental disorder or some weird OCD affliction to stay on board with that disaster of a program. The latest attendance figures have been released by the NCAA and EMU came in dead last, down 67% from last year, averaging fewer than 5,000 per game. It pains me to say it, but it might be best to put this dog to sleep. We had one last chance to get it right and we hired Lyke and Creighton and that pretty much sealed the program's fate. My problem is that I am too damned honest.

More like dishonest and uninformed.

From scaggie above:
"My source within the program told me, that Roback was beating him out in Spring ball, also during 2 a days in the fall. He said, Bell starting this year was a gift. That Roback definately beat him out. Even when Bell came back from his injury, the coach's gave him every chance to win his job back, but he could NOT beat Roback out!"

This is the reality Bob, which I can confirm as well. Instead of being thankful that the coaches you hate, gave your preferred QB a lot of extra chances, you choose to make up nonsense off the top of your head, about something you know nothing about, and spin it to criticize the coaches and the program.

As far as your constant criticism of Creighton specifically, that is the icing on the clueless Bob cake. The guy just finished his second season at one of the historically worst programs in D1. The job has been widely acknowledged as one of the toughest in D1. The previous coach was fired, and not only left a program devoid of talent, but also one with an apparent culture of abuse, that needed to be rebuilt from the ground up.

To expect much in years 1 and 2 is asking a lot, to expect the coach to be fired after year 2 is idiotic. Years 3 and 4 will tell the tale about Creighton & Co. All indications from the inside say he is competent, committed, and the players respect and respond to him. All the Bob vitriol is simply uninformed trolling, and fantasy wishes that EMU is somehow going to shower money on some big time coach to come in and make all his dreams come true.

EMU doesn't have the resources, facilities, fan or student support, or big time boosters to make a big time splash. At best, this is a slow and steady climb back to respectability, built on a solid foundation. Step 1 is 4+ wins next year and a much improved defense.