(12-16-2015 04:48 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:23 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Relax Francis.

So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

NIU's enrollment has been dropping as well. More students opting for community college when they graduate HS With Harper having a medical center where students can earn a BSN without having to leave home and COD offering 3+1 programs in partnership with Concordia, Benedictine, Lewis, Roosevelt, National Lewis & GSU, the other state universities will be seeing a declining number of transfer students

Yeah, this is exactly the case.

I've made that choice recently. Coming out of HS in 2014, I decided that going to a state school straight out of HS would be the worst decision I could possibly make.

I could either go to Community College for 2 to 3 years, and have 0 debt for the first two or three years....or instead go straight to a university and owe a cool 50,000 the first two years alone. Choice is simple

If state schools want their enrollments to go up...drop the price. I'm not paying 25k /yr for 4 years for any of the schools in Illinois. Not happening.

So i'm finishing my 2nd year of Community College, and transferring to an out of state school. It's still cheaper than going to NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU or ISU.


It sucks because of I had my choice, money not being a factor, i'm sure i'd beat NIU!

??? You said it's cheaper out of state. Really? What schools are you comparing to NIU on price. Not saying you're wrong, but it just seems unusual to me.

(12-16-2015 04:54 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:48 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:23 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Relax Francis.

So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

NIU's enrollment has been dropping as well. More students opting for community college when they graduate HS With Harper having a medical center where students can earn a BSN without having to leave home and COD offering 3+1 programs in partnership with Concordia, Benedictine, Lewis, Roosevelt, National Lewis & GSU, the other state universities will be seeing a declining number of transfer students

Yeah, this is exactly the case.

I've made that choice recently. Coming out of HS in 2014, I decided that going to a state school straight out of HS would be the worst decision I could possibly make.

I could either go to Community College for 2 to 3 years, and have 0 debt for the first two or three years....or instead go straight to a university and owe a cool 50,000 the first two years alone. Choice is simple

If state schools want their enrollments to go up...drop the price. I'm not paying 25k /yr for 4 years for any of the schools in Illinois. Not happening.

So i'm finishing my 2nd year of Community College, and transferring to an out of state school. It's still cheaper than going to NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU or ISU.


It sucks because of I had my choice, money not being a factor, i'm sure i'd beat NIU!

??? You said it's cheaper out of state. Really? What schools are you comparing to NIU on price. Not saying you're wrong, but it just seems unusual to me.

this isn't unusual at all, this is the reason why Illinois is the 2nd largest exporter of HS grads. neighboring schools have been poaching illinoisians for decades, with discounts and in-state pricing.

(12-16-2015 04:54 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:48 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:23 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Relax Francis.

So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

NIU's enrollment has been dropping as well. More students opting for community college when they graduate HS With Harper having a medical center where students can earn a BSN without having to leave home and COD offering 3+1 programs in partnership with Concordia, Benedictine, Lewis, Roosevelt, National Lewis & GSU, the other state universities will be seeing a declining number of transfer students

Yeah, this is exactly the case.

I've made that choice recently. Coming out of HS in 2014, I decided that going to a state school straight out of HS would be the worst decision I could possibly make.

I could either go to Community College for 2 to 3 years, and have 0 debt for the first two or three years....or instead go straight to a university and owe a cool 50,000 the first two years alone. Choice is simple

If state schools want their enrollments to go up...drop the price. I'm not paying 25k /yr for 4 years for any of the schools in Illinois. Not happening.

So i'm finishing my 2nd year of Community College, and transferring to an out of state school. It's still cheaper than going to NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU or ISU.


It sucks because of I had my choice, money not being a factor, i'm sure i'd beat NIU!

??? You said it's cheaper out of state. Really? What schools are you comparing to NIU on price. Not saying you're wrong, but it just seems unusual to me.

I haven't made my choice yet, as i still have more schools to visit in the summer, but there are plenty of out of state options cheaper than Illinois state schools. Missouri and Wisconsin schools both usually have cheaper full year prices than any IL school (minus SIUE who is the cheapest option in IL)

But yeah, just about every school in Missouri and Wisconsin are cheaper than in-state rates at Illinois public schools.

Marshall University (24k compared to NIU 25k)
Missouri State (20k compared to NIU's 25k)
Wisconsin Whitewater (22k compared to NIU's 25k)

I'm still considering Illinois schools like SIUE and ISU, and both of those schools are cheaper than NIU. SIUE by a whole 5k per year and ISU by like 2k per year. Adds up.

Wisconsin schools (outside Madison) will drop their prices for Illinois students with good grades and test scores to their in-state rates. My daughter was offered about $8,000 per year less at Oshkosh and Whitewater than in state tuition at NIU. Michigan and Missouri schools do the same thing. Indiana State is also starting to hit the Chicago area hard in recruiting students. They are using the same tactics.

(12-16-2015 05:30 PM)Doggone Wrote:  Wisconsin schools (outside Madison) will drop their prices for Illinois students with good grades and test scores to their in-state rates. My daughter was offered about $8,000 per year less at Oshkosh and Whitewater than in state tuition at NIU. Michigan and Missouri schools do the same thing. Indiana State is also starting to hit the Chicago area hard in recruiting students. They are using the same tactics.

Yeah, same thing here. I've been offered a lot of money off at Wisconsin and Missouri schools.

NIU, SIU, ISU will give me next to nothing, so it's not a hard choice.

Illinois is a messss. And i'm not going to sacrifice my future by taking out huge debt just to go to one of it's public schools when I can get similar or better education out of state for less.

As for WIU in particular, i think it's suffering from a perception problem. I've only heard negative things about it, mainly that it's extremely unsafe. My older brother graduated from there and it didn't used to be that way then (mid 2000's)

(12-16-2015 05:13 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:54 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:48 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:23 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

NIU's enrollment has been dropping as well. More students opting for community college when they graduate HS With Harper having a medical center where students can earn a BSN without having to leave home and COD offering 3+1 programs in partnership with Concordia, Benedictine, Lewis, Roosevelt, National Lewis & GSU, the other state universities will be seeing a declining number of transfer students

Yeah, this is exactly the case.

I've made that choice recently. Coming out of HS in 2014, I decided that going to a state school straight out of HS would be the worst decision I could possibly make.

I could either go to Community College for 2 to 3 years, and have 0 debt for the first two or three years....or instead go straight to a university and owe a cool 50,000 the first two years alone. Choice is simple

If state schools want their enrollments to go up...drop the price. I'm not paying 25k /yr for 4 years for any of the schools in Illinois. Not happening.

So i'm finishing my 2nd year of Community College, and transferring to an out of state school. It's still cheaper than going to NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU or ISU.


It sucks because of I had my choice, money not being a factor, i'm sure i'd beat NIU!

??? You said it's cheaper out of state. Really? What schools are you comparing to NIU on price. Not saying you're wrong, but it just seems unusual to me.

I haven't made my choice yet, as i still have more schools to visit in the summer, but there are plenty of out of state options cheaper than Illinois state schools. Missouri and Wisconsin schools both usually have cheaper full year prices than any IL school (minus SIUE who is the cheapest option in IL)

But yeah, just about every school in Missouri and Wisconsin are cheaper than in-state rates at Illinois public schools.

Marshall University (24k compared to NIU 25k)
Missouri State (20k compared to NIU's 25k)
Wisconsin Whitewater (22k compared to NIU's 25k)

I'm still considering Illinois schools like SIUE and ISU, and both of those schools are cheaper than NIU. SIUE by a whole 5k per year and ISU by like 2k per year. Adds up.

Ill State's tuition is more expensive than NIU's now.

Currently, there is a tuition freeze in place in university of wisconsin system. BUT... Wisconsin's large higher education cuts this FY have forced the schools to compensate for the reduction in, in state support, and inability to raise tuition, by raising out of state tuition.

(12-16-2015 05:52 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 05:13 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:54 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:48 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:23 AM)Policiious Wrote:  NIU's enrollment has been dropping as well. More students opting for community college when they graduate HS With Harper having a medical center where students can earn a BSN without having to leave home and COD offering 3+1 programs in partnership with Concordia, Benedictine, Lewis, Roosevelt, National Lewis & GSU, the other state universities will be seeing a declining number of transfer students

Yeah, this is exactly the case.

I've made that choice recently. Coming out of HS in 2014, I decided that going to a state school straight out of HS would be the worst decision I could possibly make.

I could either go to Community College for 2 to 3 years, and have 0 debt for the first two or three years....or instead go straight to a university and owe a cool 50,000 the first two years alone. Choice is simple

If state schools want their enrollments to go up...drop the price. I'm not paying 25k /yr for 4 years for any of the schools in Illinois. Not happening.

So i'm finishing my 2nd year of Community College, and transferring to an out of state school. It's still cheaper than going to NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU or ISU.


It sucks because of I had my choice, money not being a factor, i'm sure i'd beat NIU!

??? You said it's cheaper out of state. Really? What schools are you comparing to NIU on price. Not saying you're wrong, but it just seems unusual to me.

I haven't made my choice yet, as i still have more schools to visit in the summer, but there are plenty of out of state options cheaper than Illinois state schools. Missouri and Wisconsin schools both usually have cheaper full year prices than any IL school (minus SIUE who is the cheapest option in IL)

But yeah, just about every school in Missouri and Wisconsin are cheaper than in-state rates at Illinois public schools.

Marshall University (24k compared to NIU 25k)
Missouri State (20k compared to NIU's 25k)
Wisconsin Whitewater (22k compared to NIU's 25k)

I'm still considering Illinois schools like SIUE and ISU, and both of those schools are cheaper than NIU. SIUE by a whole 5k per year and ISU by like 2k per year. Adds up.

Ill State's tuition is more expensive than NIU's now.

Currently, there is a tuition freeze in place in university of wisconsin system. BUT... Wisconsin's large higher education cuts this FY have forced the schools to compensate for reduction in state support, and inability to raise tuition, by raising out of state tuition.

Tuition isn't really what counts. It's the full-year price i'm concerned with. You probably already knew that though!

And from what i've seen, and i've been studying this a lot lately since i'm trying to find a place to transfer, Wisconsin schools, Missouri Schools, and many Indiana schools all have cheaper yearly costs than NIU or other Illinois state schools.

I mean, the situation in Illinois is so bad that even if Wisconsin raises their out of state tuition a little bit...it's still cheaper than paying the in-state rates in Illinois.

Illinois has more HS graduates go out of state than any other state for a reason -- $$$

(12-16-2015 06:03 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  Tuition isn't really what counts. It's the full-year price i'm concerned with. You probably already knew that though!

And from what i've seen, and i've been studying this a lot lately since i'm trying to find a place to transfer, Wisconsin schools, Missouri Schools, and many Indiana schools all have cheaper yearly costs than NIU or other Illinois state schools.

I mean, the situation in Illinois is so bad that even if Wisconsin raises their out of state tuition a little bit...it's still cheaper than paying the in-state rates in Illinois.

Illinois has more HS graduates go out of state than any other state for a reason -- $$$

Not necessarily. Illinois reduction of state support has been going on for quite some time. Even this current large reduction was planned for going into this year's budget planning. Wisconsin's was abrupt and causing them to spend down on reserve funds because it happened during a tuition freeze period. This will have a lasting affect of Illinoisians going to to Wisco in the immediate future. Missouri is the new hotspot for Chicago area kids and illinoisians

(12-16-2015 06:27 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 06:03 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  Tuition isn't really what counts. It's the full-year price i'm concerned with. You probably already knew that though!

And from what i've seen, and i've been studying this a lot lately since i'm trying to find a place to transfer, Wisconsin schools, Missouri Schools, and many Indiana schools all have cheaper yearly costs than NIU or other Illinois state schools.

I mean, the situation in Illinois is so bad that even if Wisconsin raises their out of state tuition a little bit...it's still cheaper than paying the in-state rates in Illinois.

Illinois has more HS graduates go out of state than any other state for a reason -- $$$

Not necessarily. Illinois reduction of state support has been going on for quite some time. Even this current large reduction was planned for going into this year's budget planning. Wisconsin's was abrupt and causing them to spend down on reserve funds because it happened during a tuition freeze period. This will have a lasting affect of Illinoisians going to to Wisco in the immediate future. Missouri is the new hotspot for Chicago area kids and illinoisians

Love your profile pic btw - those are all my favorite teams too.

But as it stands currently, Wisconsin schools are still a couple thousand cheaper BEFORE you take into account the scholarships they hand out more generously.

I've looked into it for my own personal case, and I stand to save around 5k/year going to UW Whitewater, and other UW system schools outside of Madison.

The same is true for Missouri schools as well.

Paying student loans is my favorite monthly hobby.

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Relax Francis.

So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

Nah he's right. Why don't WIU, EIU or ISU have any major graduate or professional programs? They've tried, but UI blocks them and argues that UI's programs already serve the central IL region. That's why only NIU and SIU have been successful in acquiring them. NIU has the only public law school north of I-74. Want to get an MBA while working and live in Rockford? You go to NIU. Same for people in the southern part of the state and SIU.

EIU would be the first to go, because it's so close to Champaign. I would hope WIU survives for the sake of Peoria and Moline (which has a WIU branch).

(12-17-2015 09:11 AM)Max Power Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:30 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  Relax Francis.

So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

Nah he's right. Why don't WIU, EIU or ISU have any major graduate or professional programs? They've tried, but UI blocks them and argues that UI's programs already serve the central IL region. That's why only NIU and SIU have been successful in acquiring them. NIU has the only public law school north of I-74. Want to get an MBA while working and live in Rockford? You go to NIU. Same for people in the southern part of the state and SIU.

EIU would be the first to go, because it's so close to Champaign. I would hope WIU survives for the sake of Peoria and Moline (which has a WIU branch).

In my visits to the quad cities, I've noticed that it identifies more with a central/southern Illinois region. Having said that, if WIU were to close, I see no reason why NIU couldn't take over the WIU campus in Moline. They are technically in the NIU region.

Hopefully someone would take it over. Either NIU, ISU or UI. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because people in Moline would be on an island when it comes to public higher education.

(12-17-2015 09:22 AM)Max Power Wrote:  Hopefully someone would take it over. Either NIU, ISU or UI. Like I said I hope it doesn't happen because people in Moline would be on an island when it comes to public higher education.

I don't think the politicians have the political will to let any of these universities to be completely closed, but what would most likely happen are across the board cuts to all universities in Illinois including NIU. Cuts are coming and they will hurt but it will be better then closing down these schools and it will help Illinois long term. The expense and debt structure in Illinois is very high and the universities in Illinois are already not competing tuition wise as it is. The only way to fix that is cuts because tuition can not be raised. Long term cuts are also needed on the pension side because they are grossly underfunded and that is sucking badly needed revenue from the states total budget. Debt costs are also very high. Its not fun but that is what happens when the can gets kicked down the road decade after decade.

EIU seems to be in the worst position.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local...story.html

"At Eastern Illinois University in Charleston, President David Glassman recently told lawmakers that without a cash infusion from the state, the school may have to shut down during the spring semester."

(12-16-2015 05:11 PM)HuskieAlumnus03 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:54 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:48 PM)Illinoisan Wrote:  

(12-16-2015 04:23 AM)Policiious Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:37 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  So clever, but it doesn't change the reality that your assumption that a decision to close schools would mean NIU would be spared because of where it sits. Seriously, do you ever consider issues from any point of view other than what you think is best for NIU? There are times you have to consider why someone would suggest or argue an issue not in our favor.

NIU's enrollment has been dropping as well. More students opting for community college when they graduate HS With Harper having a medical center where students can earn a BSN without having to leave home and COD offering 3+1 programs in partnership with Concordia, Benedictine, Lewis, Roosevelt, National Lewis & GSU, the other state universities will be seeing a declining number of transfer students

Yeah, this is exactly the case.

I've made that choice recently. Coming out of HS in 2014, I decided that going to a state school straight out of HS would be the worst decision I could possibly make.

I could either go to Community College for 2 to 3 years, and have 0 debt for the first two or three years....or instead go straight to a university and owe a cool 50,000 the first two years alone. Choice is simple

If state schools want their enrollments to go up...drop the price. I'm not paying 25k /yr for 4 years for any of the schools in Illinois. Not happening.

So i'm finishing my 2nd year of Community College, and transferring to an out of state school. It's still cheaper than going to NIU, EIU, WIU, SIU or ISU.


It sucks because of I had my choice, money not being a factor, i'm sure i'd beat NIU!

??? You said it's cheaper out of state. Really? What schools are you comparing to NIU on price. Not saying you're wrong, but it just seems unusual to me.

this isn't unusual at all, this is the reason why Illinois is the 2nd largest exporter of HS grads. neighboring schools have been poaching illinoisians for decades, with discounts and in-state pricing.

My understanding that Iowa St, UW, Purdue, Missouri are close. They offer some sort of breaks. Unlike many of us, nowadays when you can't get into U of I that is the next stop for good # of hs grads. Not ISU and NIU.

Even BGSU had advertisements on the S. Side advertising in state tuition to Illinois residents. I don't know if MSU or WMU does, but there are a lot of kids wearing their colors in Mt. Greenwood. Either Illinois discount or using summer home address in MI

Honestly, kids with no path picked out don't seem to want to go to NIU or ISU unless they have to due to $, grades and proximity. And unless they have a specific major such as physical therapy or teaching that appeals to them.

UW-Madison offers no breaks whatsoever to IL students. The other campuses readily offer tuition breaks to IL students.

(12-17-2015 09:19 AM)northernbear1 Wrote:  In my visits to the quad cities, I've noticed that it identifies more with a central/southern Illinois region. Having said that, if WIU were to close, I see no reason why NIU couldn't take over the WIU campus in Moline. They are technically in the NIU region.

Growing up outside the QC area and still having relatives there, that area identifies more with the "central" Illinois region, but definitely not the "southern" Illinois region; if anything the QC is Univ. of Iowa territory. Moline and the QC isn't really in NIU's region, if it is then that's an indictment on NIU for not having established a campus there.
I could care less about EIU, but it would be far more logical to close Chicago State, Governor's State, UI-Springfield, SIU-Edwardsville or Northeastern Illinois than Eastern in terms of serving an area and being able to find a buyer for the land and buildings.

Mods, this is a valuable conversation, but it's not football. Can this be moved to "Spayed & Neutered?"

(12-17-2015 10:52 PM)Skinut Wrote:  Mods, this is a valuable conversation, but it's not football. Can this be moved to "Spayed & Neutered?"

I hate the S&N board...if the MODs want to move it can they instead make a new non sport but kind of NIU related section board?