http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/1...nsive-line

Quote:Dexter Lawrence (6'4, 335) of Wake Forest, NC has officially committed to the Clemson Tigers. This ends one of the more intriguing recruitments of the 2016 recruiting class. Lawrence is a consensus top 5 recruit in the nation, the number one recruit in the state of North Carolina, and the number 2 overall defensive tackle prospect.

Clemson beat out Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, and N.C. State with for his commitment. The real challenger, however, was N.C. State.

However...

Quote:Things turned in Clemson's favor after an unofficial visit where Lawrence and his family got their first taste of Clemson's family atmosphere and deemed the 4 hour drive to Clemson to not be too great a distance. On the visit Clemson sold Lawrence on immediate playing time, facilities... a path to the NFL, playing for championships...

Imma guess that NC State's poor 1st quarter showing at home against UNC + Clemson's playoff run sealed the deal..

dang, UNC wasn't even a contender for no. 1 recruit in NC? lol

always surprised me UNC can't recruit well because all my life I've heard people gush over UNC's campus and CHapel Hill.

Early enrollee too, along with 4 star and Shrine Bowl DT Nyles Pinckney.

More than makes up for the loss of D.J. Reader and Rod Byers off this year's depth chart. Our interior DL next year is going to have a legit three deep.

(12-14-2015 04:16 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  dang, UNC wasn't even a contender for no. 1 recruit in NC? lol

always surprised me UNC can't recruit well because all my life I've heard people gush over UNC's campus and CHapel Hill.

He wants to major in Engineering. We don't offer that.

Besides, we had the #1 recruit out of NC 3 out of last 4 years. Elijah Hood, Jalen Dalton, TJ Logan. For a basketball school, we recruit pretty well.

lol at a flagship uni that does not offer engineering. weak

pretty cool a football player wants to do engineering. not sure how you can do football and engineering at same time though, without getting a lot of slack from the profs

feels pretty good to beat out UNC, NC State, Wake, Duke, and ECU for top NC player. he grew up in their backyard

(12-14-2015 05:34 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  lol at a flagship uni that does not offer engineering. weak

pretty cool a football player wants to do engineering. not sure how you can do football and engineering at same time though, without getting a lot of slack from the profs

feels pretty good to beat out UNC, NC State, Wake, Duke, and ECU for top NC player. he grew up in their backyard

Sounds like you don't know the history of the schools. No surprise.

We lose recruits to Clemson, FSU, Bama, Tenn, SC, etc. It's just the way that it is. You win some you lose some.

no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

While UNC does miss out on some of the top in state kids, they do still recruit well. To make that next step they need to lock guys down like this though. Congrats to Clemson, rich get richer.

(12-15-2015 07:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

If you've looked into it then you should know the reason why UNC doesn't have Engineering.

(12-15-2015 08:38 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 07:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

If you've looked into it then you should know the reason why UNC doesn't have Engineering.

i don't care what their reason for not having it is.

most large flagship unis offer engineering. not offering engineering is like not offering chemistry or biology, in my view.

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:38 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 07:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

If you've looked into it then you should know the reason why UNC doesn't have Engineering.

i don't care what their reason for not having it is.

most large flagship unis offer engineering. not offering engineering is like not offering chemistry or biology, in my view.

If you don't care then don't bring it up. There's a valid reason behind it.

Either way, we've been able to recruit pretty good players without Engineering so we'll be fine.

(12-14-2015 03:57 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/1...nsive-line

Quote:Dexter Lawrence (6'4, 335) of Wake Forest, NC has officially committed to the Clemson Tigers. This ends one of the more intriguing recruitments of the 2016 recruiting class. Lawrence is a consensus top 5 recruit in the nation, the number one recruit in the state of North Carolina, and the number 2 overall defensive tackle prospect.

Clemson beat out Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, and N.C. State with for his commitment. The real challenger, however, was N.C. State.

However...

Quote:Things turned in Clemson's favor after an unofficial visit where Lawrence and his family got their first taste of Clemson's family atmosphere and deemed the 4 hour drive to Clemson to not be too great a distance. On the visit Clemson sold Lawrence on immediate playing time, facilities... a path to the NFL, playing for championships...

Imma guess that NC State's poor 1st quarter showing at home against UNC + Clemson's playoff run sealed the deal..

So he didn't think he would see immediate playing time at his #2 choice, NC State? We better watch out for the Pack next year. They must be loaded.

nc state couldn't really sell the rest of what he was looking for. lol

NC State's best pitch is they do have engineering (as any large state school should), and they are close to his momma. lol

no wonder he chose Clemson

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:38 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 07:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

If you've looked into it then you should know the reason why UNC doesn't have Engineering.

i don't care what their reason for not having it is.

most large flagship unis offer engineering. not offering engineering is like not offering chemistry or biology, in my view.

In 1931 the Univeristy of NC, North Carolina A&M, and Woman's College of NC were merged due to the great Depression in order to make certain they were saved from the ravages of the Depression.

As a consequence of the merger, NC State and UNC-Ch were split into two sides of a coin - NC State would have all the Engineering, Ag, Textiles, and similar programs. UNC would have all liberal arts, and professional schools. UNC's engineering program at that time was closed.

The system now has 16 schools, but NC State, nor UNC can add or cancel a program without approval by the System. Their boards of trustees don't hold the real power, that power is held by the system on Board of Governors.

The net result of this partition is the migration of UNC to a more female oriented school as Ag, Engineering, Textiles, Forestry, etc., etc., are male dominated fields.

Perhaps the question could be turned around.

Where is Clemson's medical school, pharmacy school, dental school, etc., etc.? VT was in the same boat for decades until the tenure of Stegal and the partnership with Carillion and the political power and pressure that VT amassed. From the early 80's until the early 00's.

Clemson is a fine university. You have kept it small, and therefore have been able to keep it more exclusive and the changes in the economy you majors are more desirable and like the other STEM intensive cow colleges, your majors now appeal to women, and you are not instantly associated with farming and building roads.

Don't get caught up in the myth of the single flagship - that's an antiquated notion, especially in States where schools have had their offerings regulated or in States with multiple systems like Texas.

(12-15-2015 10:45 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:38 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 07:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

If you've looked into it then you should know the reason why UNC doesn't have Engineering.

i don't care what their reason for not having it is.

most large flagship unis offer engineering. not offering engineering is like not offering chemistry or biology, in my view.

In 1931 the Univeristy of NC, North Carolina A&M, and Woman's College of NC were merged due to the great Depression in order to make certain they were saved from the ravages of the Depression.

As a consequence of the merger, NC State and UNC-Ch were split into two sides of a coin - NC State would have all the Engineering, Ag, Textiles, and similar programs. UNC would have all liberal arts, and professional schools. UNC's engineering program at that time was closed.

The system now has 16 schools, but NC State, nor UNC can add or cancel a program without approval by the System. Their boards of trustees don't hold the real power, that power is held by the system on Board of Governors.

The net result of this partition is the migration of UNC to a more female oriented school as Ag, Engineering, Textiles, Forestry, etc., etc., are male dominated fields.

Perhaps the question could be turned around.

Where is Clemson's medical school, pharmacy school, dental school, etc., etc.? VT was in the same boat for decades until the tenure of Stegal and the partnership with Carillion and the political power and pressure that VT amassed. From the early 80's until the early 00's.

Clemson is a fine university. You have kept it small, and therefore have been able to keep it more exclusive and the changes in the economy you majors are more desirable and like the other STEM intensive cow colleges, your majors now appeal to women, and you are not instantly associated with farming and building roads.

Don't get caught up in the myth of the single flagship - that's an antiquated notion, especially in States where schools have had their offerings regulated or in States with multiple systems like Texas.

I don't associate professional schools like med, pharmacy with basic things that a 4 year school should offer for undergraduates. Those are professional schools and reality is SC medical and pharmacy and law schools are full of CLemson graduates. There is no reason to have another medical school and pharmacy school for SC residents given MUSC also offer medical graduate programs. A medical school out in a rural area like CLemson makes no sense anyway.


All I know is there aren't many public universities the size of UNC that don't offer engineering. UGA used to be one but now it does. Oregon is the only other that I know of.

don't understand your fondness for 'cow college' and STEM. CLemson is a comprehensive university, you can major in a variety of things including the liberal arts and business. The agricultural programs actually have a hard time getting people to enroll.

(12-15-2015 10:42 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 03:57 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2015/1...nsive-line

Quote:Dexter Lawrence (6'4, 335) of Wake Forest, NC has officially committed to the Clemson Tigers. This ends one of the more intriguing recruitments of the 2016 recruiting class. Lawrence is a consensus top 5 recruit in the nation, the number one recruit in the state of North Carolina, and the number 2 overall defensive tackle prospect.

Clemson beat out Alabama, Ohio State, Florida, and N.C. State with for his commitment. The real challenger, however, was N.C. State.

However...

Quote:Things turned in Clemson's favor after an unofficial visit where Lawrence and his family got their first taste of Clemson's family atmosphere and deemed the 4 hour drive to Clemson to not be too great a distance. On the visit Clemson sold Lawrence on immediate playing time, facilities... a path to the NFL, playing for championships...

Imma guess that NC State's poor 1st quarter showing at home against UNC + Clemson's playoff run sealed the deal..

So he didn't think he would see immediate playing time at his #2 choice, NC State? We better watch out for the Pack next year. They must be loaded.

That's one of the few positions where we are well stocked, however why would anyone from Wake Forest, NC want to stay in the RTP if he can go somewhere else, play, know that football is the king sport, and screw up without landing on the front page of the News and Observer?

Compared to the size of UNC or NC State, Clemson is more like a private college. While it is located in bum **** so to speak, it has a LOT of pretty girls in attendance. It's close to Atlanta if someone wants to get in a car with his buddies and have some fun.

Raleigh is bland. Raleigh is where you move to AFTER you get a job. Raleigh and the RTP is family oriented and family driven. It's not a destination, nor is it near a destination.

As an university, State College looks like a Stalinist/Modernist architect puked all over campus. Rot in Hell LaCoubiser.

VT, Duke, WF, and UNC's north campus look more like a traditional college and have that college "feel". State does not have that.

Lawrence went to the best place for him. I wish him luck.

If I was young and could get a scholarship in football, but had no real pro aspirations, I would go to Stanford, Duke or Northwestern if I needed a degree with "name value" and a network and wanted to eventually leave home. If I wanted to have fun and chase ***** in school while playing football, I would go to Miami, UF, FSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, LSU, USC, UCLA, Arizona State, Texas, or TAMU.

If I wanted to stay in the immediate area I would be torn. I know football is not king at WF, UNC, or Duke. I know that if I am at NC State I have a target on my back. I know Columbia sucks and sucks hind teet in the SEC. I know at UVa I would face a wall of politically correct coeds. For the "Football" player, that spells Clemson or VT. Now who has the better facilities, larger stadium, currently successful coach, etc., etc.

If there were only two P-5's playing football in NC, one of UNC, NC State, or Duke things would be different, but there are four, not two, and then there is ECU a place where football is their god and prioritized above all other sports.

To break through, UNC needs to finally recruit a true future professional quarterback - like the ones NC State has had 5 times in the last 50 years. To break through NC State needs to be more than one deep at key positions and not beat FSU in week 4 and lose at Wake Forest in week 5. To break through at Duke, they need to maintain the will to win in a sport that many at Duke have fundamental differences with, and somewhat abhor.

(12-15-2015 10:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 10:45 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:47 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 08:38 AM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 07:49 AM)ClemVegas Wrote:  no i've looked into this, i believe Oregon and UNC are only large flagship unis that don't offer engineering. UGA didn't at one point but recently started an engienering program

If you've looked into it then you should know the reason why UNC doesn't have Engineering.

i don't care what their reason for not having it is.

most large flagship unis offer engineering. not offering engineering is like not offering chemistry or biology, in my view.

In 1931 the Univeristy of NC, North Carolina A&M, and Woman's College of NC were merged due to the great Depression in order to make certain they were saved from the ravages of the Depression.

As a consequence of the merger, NC State and UNC-Ch were split into two sides of a coin - NC State would have all the Engineering, Ag, Textiles, and similar programs. UNC would have all liberal arts, and professional schools. UNC's engineering program at that time was closed.

The system now has 16 schools, but NC State, nor UNC can add or cancel a program without approval by the System. Their boards of trustees don't hold the real power, that power is held by the system on Board of Governors.

The net result of this partition is the migration of UNC to a more female oriented school as Ag, Engineering, Textiles, Forestry, etc., etc., are male dominated fields.

Perhaps the question could be turned around.

Where is Clemson's medical school, pharmacy school, dental school, etc., etc.? VT was in the same boat for decades until the tenure of Stegal and the partnership with Carillion and the political power and pressure that VT amassed. From the early 80's until the early 00's.

Clemson is a fine university. You have kept it small, and therefore have been able to keep it more exclusive and the changes in the economy you majors are more desirable and like the other STEM intensive cow colleges, your majors now appeal to women, and you are not instantly associated with farming and building roads.

Don't get caught up in the myth of the single flagship - that's an antiquated notion, especially in States where schools have had their offerings regulated or in States with multiple systems like Texas.

I don't associate professional schools like med, pharmacy with basic hings that a 4 year school should offer for undergraduates Those are professional schools and reality is SC medical and pharmacy and law schools are full of CLemson graduates. There is no reason to have another medical school and pharmacy school for SC residents given MUSC also offer medical graduate programs. A medical school out in a rural area like CLemson makes no sense anyway.


All I know is there aren't many public universities the size of UNC that don't offer engineering. UGA used to be one but now it does. Oregon is the only other that I know of.

don't understand your fondness for 'cow college' and STEM. CLemson is a comprehensive university, you can major in a variety of things including the liberal arts and business. The agricultural programs actually have a hard time getting people to enroll.

Clem, your statement in bold means you don't understand how universities work, and what matters to P-5, research universities. The undergrad programs are cow ****. Undergrad does not row the boat, nor funnel the money.

"Fondness for a cow college" ?

Cow college is a name for a land grant. Look up the Morrell Land Grant. Clemson, Auburn, Michigan State, NC State, VT are all land grants. So are Florida, Georgia, and MD (they stole the land grant money that was designed for a second university in the State)

TAMU, LSU, Cal, Oregon State, Washington State - all cow colleges.

If you are older, you are familiar with phrases like "State College", "VPI", "Girl's School" and know that institutions like Auburn had other names. Although Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University somewhat takes the prize regarding length.

Find an old Clemson alum, one older than 60 and pick his brain.

Pack I don't understand the hate on the Triangle area. Yes it's family oriented but how is it not a destination?

i'm not interested in what makes the money for unis.

some of you guys are obsessed with money.

you want to know why UGA started offering engineering? Because Georgia Southern asked to start one, and UGA was worried they would start losing a lot of top students to Georgia Southern.


my point is, i never heard of anybody refer to land grants as 'cow college', and also don't get the motive to point out if a colelge is a land grant or flagship, given land grants offer same programs as flagships.