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RE: Clemson is different
you need to learn some new adjectives. you've worn out 'little'.

All I know is Clem is 7-6 against FSu the past 13 and with Watson aand most of the offense coming back, along with no. 2 RB Feaster coming in, good chance it will be 8-6 after next season.

I've also point out that despite all the hype, FSU only has 3 national titles, two which came in pre-BCS era, and prior to ACC expansion. The other came last year of the BCS. I maintain winning a title now is harder with playoff format b/c you have to play extra games against top teams. And, Clemson would have won the title this year in pre-BCS era. So if comparing apples to apples, Clemson has 2 titles, FSU has 3. not that big of a difference in my view.

Since you talk about facts, i assume you will like the facts above.

I had another Clem fan get upset me for asserting Clemson is not, in fact, Auburn with a lake. The thread is entitled 'Clemson is different' and he is trying to make it out like an Auburn clone, like Auburn birthed Clemson or something. Pretty weird, yet you popped up and said 'mic drop'.

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RE: Clemson is different
I did some research and it turns out Florida is 7-6 against FSU the past 13 years, as is Clemson.

I think this means Clemson is tied for the most wins against FSU in the modern era, and the tie is with a top program in the SEC.

Yet, FSU fans relegate Clemson to a 2nd tier status.
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RE: Clemson is different
(12-18-2015 10:21 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  you attacked me. Don't talk trash if you can't handle return fire.

Kid, I didn't attack you. Trust me on that.

And the day I can't handle the return fire of someone who is as clueless as you are about things is the day I hang it up.

Quote:What you said wasn't really true, you cherrypicked a few seasons, and BYU isn't some kind of powerhouse program.

So let me get this straight.......you list one season and claim it as fact. I listed five consecutive seasons, including the one season you listed, and its cherrypicked.

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Oh and per the Atlantic Coast Conference BYU counts as a Power 5 game
http://www.sltrib.com/home/2116860-155/r...u-football

Quote:BYU's football program got a little bit of good news on Thursday morning, courtesy of ESPN.com's Brett McMurphy.

The college football analyst reported that Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) football teams that play BYU will now be able to count those games against the league's mandate that its teams play at least one nonconference game per year against a Power 5 team.

In essence, the ACC is saying that BYU qualifies as a P5 program.


Quote:FSU could play a better OOC schedule than they do.
And the single year you picked out to bash them about they would have played West Virginia but WVU backed out of the game after joining the Big XII.

We would have been in the same boat this past season because of the ACC if it weren't for the game with the parasites because of the gap between the Georgia series and the start of the Auburn series. Thus far that;s the only benefit we have seen from adding them.

Quote:This Clemson fan was at the Well tonight in Greenville for the CLemson-SC basketball game. I stepped up.
Congrats. I couldn't swing the hour and a half trip on a Friday night due to my wife having a work function and my son having church obligations.
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i'm 38 years old, i'm not your kid.

you are a dumb guy, talking about how i embarrass your or CLemson,. You didn't even attend CLemson and then you give me your autobiography like I care about you.

get over yourself

anybody gushing over BYU as top competition doesn't need to be talking trash.

I don't know any real Clemson fans who gush over FSU like you do or would attack me for my comments. I posted 2 seasons in which FSU played cupcakes OOC with excpetion of Florida. they could have scheduled better than that. i only brought this up in context of FSU fans complaining about ACC is too easy.
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(12-18-2015 06:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Next time before you make yourself and every other Clemson fan on this forum look like a complete idiot try doing a little research before you make outlandish claims.

This isn't an attack?

I don't have anything to do with you. Thus, I can't make you look bad. You did not even attend my college.

You need to stop lecturing people. It is irrational for you to get all upset about my comments about FSU if you aren't a FSU fan and you are a fan of one of FSU's main rivals.
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(12-18-2015 10:50 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  you need to learn some new adjectives. you've worn out 'little'.

All I know is Clem is 7-6 against FSu the past 13 and with Watson aand most of the offense coming back, along with no. 2 RB Feaster coming in, good chance it will be 8-6 after next season.

I've also point out that despite all the hype, FSU only has 3 national titles, two which came in pre-BCS era, and prior to ACC expansion. The other came last year of the BCS. I maintain winning a title now is harder with playoff format b/c you have to play extra games against top teams. And, Clemson would have won the title this year in pre-BCS era. So if comparing apples to apples, Clemson has 2 titles, FSU has 3. not that big of a difference in my view.

Since you talk about facts, i assume you will like the facts above.

I had another Clem fan get upset me for asserting Clemson is not, in fact, Auburn with a lake. The thread is entitled 'Clemson is different' and he is trying to make it out like an Auburn clone, like Auburn birthed Clemson or something. Pretty weird, yet you popped up and said 'mic drop'.

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Then you should recognize a pattern when others are pointing out the same issues with your posts.
I also find it interesting how you feel that just stating you are a Clemson grad actually proves you are a Clemson grad. For myself, I pretty much was trying to avoid the whole issue. However, I am a local product. If you did go to Clemson University, then you should be familiar with the local areas. I grew up in, and currently reside in, Six Mile, whose residents attend Daniel High School (the high school about 5 minutes from Clemson's campus). I actually have 3 degrees from Clemson University, Undergrad through Doctorate, but that means absolutely nothing on a message board or in any fandom argument.

You are a troll; You state absolutes, then flame anyone who points out the errors in your comments. I do not believe I have seen a single Clemson fan agree with your posting facts, let alone style. You have other fanbases pointing out the problems with your posts, and you attack again. You are wrecking the board.

Florida State is the perrenial power in the ACC; there can be little doubt in that statement. Clemson has significantly closed the gap with FSU, but the gap is still there. As for the 7-6 record, all you are doing is choosing the exact time frame you need to make your argument, which is similar to USC fans yelling 5 in a row.
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i never said FSU has not had a lot of success in the ACC. You are strawman flogging. In fact, I said they have a built in advantage in recruiting because they are in Florida, and, if they are so upset that the rest of the conference is terrible, then they should stop recruiting good players and many of those players will end up at other ACC schools.

I'm not a troll at all. You are not even comprehending what I'm saying or you are so biased toward FSU you are not open minded.

The fact that Clemson is 7-6 against FSU means that we are on the same level with them. Just the fact that you are denying it is funny to me. It doesn't make sense for a FSU fan and FSU brownnosers to say FSU is 1st tier but Clemson is 2nd tier if Clemson has a winning record the past 13 years and tied with the most wins against FSU the past 13 years.

A FSU fan also said Oregon is 2nd tier but Oregon just beat FSU last year when FSU had their best ever QB.

you are gushing over what FSU did way back in the 90's has nothing to with today. you want to include that decade, and need to, to make case FSU is much better than CLemson. it is a different sport today, a lot more programs trying to be competitive, more creative offenses, etc.

FSU did nto win an ACC title b/t 2005 and 2012. They did not win it this year.

The fact somebody did not go to Clemson does matter if he insults me and says I embarrass other Clemson fans, but only I attended the university. Both of you seem to be bigger FSU fans than Clemson fans. For example, how did he know FSU tried to schedule WVU and WVU backed out. I don'[t think many CLemson alumni know about that.

SC has been on the same level or little better as Clemson than most of the decade. They may be going down again but for now they are in the same tier.
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i did some research and it appears FSU has only played one SEC school other than Florida in regular season OOC since 2002. i wouldn't doubt if that if that was one of the arranged SEC-ACC matchups played in Altanta.

many of their fans act like they should be in the SEC and they are dying to play some good teams, but their AD appears to be avoiding playing more teams from the SEC. I find that interesting.
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Just some FYI:

It was well publicized on ESPN and this very board that WVU broke their home & home series with FSU, and while I don't think any of us knows for sure about FSU vs. SEC I will say that FSU has a reputation for playing big time P5 games on the road whereas most SEC teams are only willing to play at home - or a very close "neutral" site.

I can also tell you for sure that the SEC controls the Chick-Fil-A game in Atlanta and they tend to sign up only games which they think they can win* - so no FSU invites may reveal more about the SEC than it does about FSU.

Remember, it takes TWO to tango.

* obviously they were wrong about Clemson vs. Auburn.

Now, if you guys want to continue arguing, be my guest.
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thanks for giving me permission.

WV hasn't won a lot of games against good teams in recent years so that doesn't really counter my point that FSU doesn't seek to schedule the best of the best OOC, despite their fans complaining about how weak the ACC is. It does appear the AD and the fanbase are not on the same page.

FSU has played a lot of weak OOC schedules over there years. It is not every year but two games with Oklahoma and BYU, 1 game with Bama (possiblity scheduled for them), 1 with ND (scheduled for them) are actually the highlight the past 10 years. Oklahoma State was on a neutral field and they are generally about UNC-NC State type talent.

FSU did used to have a tough OOC with both Miami and Florida back in the day every year, and obviously Miami was better back then, prior to MIami joining the ACC.

It is a fact that Clemson schedules SEC programs a lot more than FSU does, in addition to playing our state SEC rival ever year. Clemson has home and away with Auburn and Texas AM next 4 years. FSU has not played Auburn once from 2002 until today and Auburn is one of the closet schools to them. As I pointed out, Auburn was complaining that good P5 OOC programs did not want to play at Auburn, basically only Clemson.
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RE: Clemson is different
StrawmanVegas with more ridiculous comments.

"FSU has not played Auburn once from 2002 until today and Auburn is one of the closet schools to them"

FSU Beat Auburn in the national title game in 2013.

I already posted this but you ignored it.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca...p/4281517/

As posted before, Auburn has a history of cancelling games with FSU.

FSU plays Ole Miss next season and Bama in 2018.


Since joining the ACC, FSU is 19-14-1 against the SEC.


Also since FSU joined the ACC:

3 Heisman Trophies

3 National Titles

15 ACC Titles

1 Playoff Appearance

15-8 Bowl Record



We get it....you like to debate just to debate and you seem bored and love to troll......but it's comical some of the things you write. Almost nothing you write is accurate......but more importantly, EVERYTHING you write is pointless and going nowhere, you just bicker to bicker.
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FSU plays Florida every year, it doesn't play rest SEC much out of conference in regular season.

you can whine about me saying it all you want but it is true. I looked at FSU schedule since 2002. Alabama was the only one I saw. Nothing you said refutes this point. FSU has played SEC teams in bowl games, no doubt. I was talking about their OOC scheduling, not bowl games. You are the strawman flogger.

I believe FSU plays a soft OOC schedule many years and this year is a perfect example. I don't care FSU schedules cupcakes , I'm only pointing out that if the ACC is no good your AD could schedule tougher OOC games rather than Bethune-Cookman, Savannah State, etc.

The fact that you are talking about bowl games indicates what a alow IQ person you are. You don't schedule bowl games. I'm talking about scheduling.

i've also never said that FSU hasn't won a lot. The fact you are posting FSU's accomplishments is another example of your stupidity. You clearly do not read anything that I write..

You are trolling yourself because you can't follow anything.
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(12-19-2015 09:53 PM)ClemVegas Wrote:  FSU plays Florida every year, it doesn't play rest SEC much out of conference in regular season.

you can whine about me saying it all you want but it is true. I looked at FSU schedule since 2002. Alabama was the only one I saw. Nothing you said refutes this point. FSU has played SEC teams in bowl games, no doubt. I was talking about their OOC scheduling, not bowl games. You are the strawman flogger.

I believe FSU plays a soft OOC schedule many years and this year is a perfect example. I don't care FSU schedules cupcakes , I'm only pointing out that if the ACC is no good your AD could schedule tougher OOC games rather than Bethune-Cookman, Savannah State, etc.

The fact that you are talking about bowl games indicates what a alow IQ person you are. You don't schedule bowl games. I'm talking about scheduling.

i've also never said that FSU hasn't won a lot. The fact you are posting FSU's accomplishments is another example of your stupidity. You clearly do not read anything that I write..

You are trolling yourself because you can't follow anything.



Nobody follows crazy.

You are the wild eyed homeless guy on the street corner just yelling random crap convinced they are spewing gold.
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I'm talking about FSU's OOC regular season scheduling other than Florida and you start talking about about FSU's record against Florida and bowl wins over SEC, and how many titles FSU has won.

but I'm the crazy one. You were responding to things that I never said. You can beat the hell out of a strawman though. But you been trolled by your own strawmen, not me.

you just grumpy because Clemson beat FSU this year and will be favored to win next year.

btw, FSU has won only 3 ACC titles in last 10 years and needed two NFL QBs, one who was no. 1 pick in the NFL draft, to do it. FSU isn't going to have Winston level talent at QB most years. Good chance FSU won't win ACC next year, so 3 out of 11. that isn't owning the conference.

FSU did own the ACC in 90s and early 00s but hasn't since expansion and the modern era.
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FSU has 4 ACC titles in the last 11 years. You "conveniently" cut it off at the last 10. No school has more ACC titles than FSU since the ACC expanded to 12+ members. No school has more titles than FSU since the ACC expanded to 14 members. FSU has twice as many ACC titles as Clemson since the ACC expanded to 12+ (and 14) members. FSU out-paces Clemson 15-2 in ACC titles since 1992, when FSU joined. FSU has 15 ACC titles to the rest of the ACC's 9 in that time (I did not count UVA or GT's shared titles since FSU went to the bowls).

But for whatever reason, you only count the "modern era" from 2002 onward. What a coincidence. That's the ONLY time period in which Clemson has a winning record against FSU. How ironic that 2002 just happens to be around the beginning of FSU's "lost decade". Bobby Bowden was already 73 at that point (much older than Beamer, Spurrier, Brown, etc at retirement age). I think one could easily argue the "modern era" of ACC football didn't begin until 1992. But even if you wish to use 2004 (or 2013), there is no peer to FSU in the ACC since then, either.

Even coming off a very poor/mediocre stretch from 2001-2009, FSU still has more ACC titles than ANYONE since 2001, and only trails the rest of the ACC 6-9 in overall titles since 2001. That is, of course, little thanks to Clemson's almightiness; chipping in just 22% of the ACC's total of 9. You keep talking about Clemson being 7-6 against FSU in the last 13 meetings, but let's look just slightly closer at that record. From 2003-2009, Bowden's final 7 seasons, Clemson went 5-2 against FSU. Since Fisher took over, Clemson is 2-4. See, what had happened was, is, you got fat on an old man. I cannot imagine how much your butt hurts knowing that over 50% of your all-time wins against FSU came during a 7-year period against a man who was aged 74-to-80 years old during the games. Impressive work. I would probably put a plaque up inside your stadium to commemorate it. And I'd be sure to include an asterisk like your 2012* division crown.

Clemson is, BY EVERY ACCOUNT, no better than the second rung of national teams. You are Oregon. You are Georgia. You are Wisconsin. You are not Florida State. You are not Ohio State. You are not even Auburn (then DOMINATE you all-time and have a MUCH more recent national title.

Let's talk a little about Clemson's stellar SEC OOC scheduling.

You've faced in the OOC (non-bowls):
Alabama just 1 time since 1975 (but it was an "Atlanta" game and those don't count, per you)
Auburn just 3 times since 1971
Texas A&M just 2 times since 1974

Those are teams you've faced since 2002, yes, that you've also specifically mentioned in this thread? So do you ALWAYS schedule two SEC schools or is that just something you've made up?

Since your beloved 2002 "modern era" start date, FSU has faced:
* BYU thrice
* ND thrice (only twice if you want to say 2014 was "forced")
* OU twice
* Bama once (in Jacksonville, setup by the SCHOOLS, not the conferences, to be played prior to Bowden's ever-nearing retirement)
* Miami twice (pre-ACC membership)
* OK State once (58 wins 2010-present, SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER TEAM than UNC/NC State)
* Syracuse twice (pre-ACC)
* Colorado thrice
* Iowa State once (included only because of "power" conference status)

And EVERYBODY knew about WVU backing out. And then there was the whole issue of the ACC going from 8- to 9-game schedules before dropping back to 8 and screwing over EVERYONE'S OOC schedule for at least one season. Many people may even recall Auburn backing out from a game scheduled for 1999 after firing Terry Bowden, forcing FSU to open the season with LaTech.

You said you named two seasons in which FSU had crappy OOC games? May I point you towards Clemson's 2006 schedule: Temple, Florida Atlantic and Louisiana Tech. Oh, dear, and what happened to 2007? You played Louisiana-Monroe, Central Michigan and Furman. That is some FANTASTIC scheduling if I may say so.

You say FSU didn't want to face Auburn in Atlanta. I assume this is because you believe Auburn's AD when he says they were open to facing ANYBODY but that nobody wanted to play them. Well, we all know that's a flatout lie. Why would FSU agree to play Alabama (2017) but be afraid of Auburn? Why did FSU settle on Ole Miss (2016) when all prior talks were that FSU was in discussions with LSU, UGA, SCar and Auburn? Perhaps - just PERHAPS - it's because those schools don't want to face FSU. Perhaps they "like" what they see in Clemson, VT, NC State, Louisville and UNC more.

Jameis Winston is dumb as a rock? A kid who had a 4.0 GPA in high school, took AP courses and was admitted into Stanford is unintelligent? Someone who has received universal praise from NFL personnel for his acumen in meeting rooms and on the chalk board? For sure, I'd much rather take the word of a "38-year old" who types like a 3-toothed 12-year old than the opinions of numerous professionals and evidence suggesting the contrary.

Lastly, you say Auburn and Clemson have little shared history. Well, I'll just leave it to your fellow Clemson fans to call out your ignorance there. But you also said Auburn doesn't look like Clemson, or vice versa.

This picture is Auburn:
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This picture is Clemson:
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Those buildings aren't identical, but they do bear a resemblance.

Now do all of us a favor and:
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Clemson and FSU are tied at 15 ACC titles apiece. FSU does not have more, as you said. If Clemson had not go into the tank in the 90's, FSU wouldn't have had half their titles. It is funny how Bowden getting old is an excuse but Clemson can't get an excuse for some bad years in the 90s. That should go both ways.

Those OOC games you posted prove my point. Colorado? Iowa State? BYU? lol I'm talking about real programs.

The point is FSU fans are always complaining about the ACC not being any good but they surely could schedule tougher competition than they do many years, like this year. I don't think many honest FSU are going to disagree with me on this.

I'm kind of doubting Winston is the scholar you are making him out to be. lol

I already noted Tillman and Sanford halls look similar, b/c they were designed by same architectural firm. I also am aware a coach left Auburn and came to Clemson and brought some of the Auburn uniforms with him. That was decades ago. An Auburn coach coming to Clemson doesn't mean Clemson is similar to Auburn or was birthed by Auburn. That is like saying Florida is simjilar to SC because both schools had Spurrier and Muschamp as coaches.

I believe Clemson looks a lot more like UVA than Auburn and numerous other land grants like Maryland and NC State look as similar to Clemson as Auburn does. auburn is a flat area, Clemson is near mountains. the architectural sytle is a lot different on most of the buildings. etc.
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BYU and Colorado have more recent national titles than Clemson...

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FSU leads Clemson in ACC titles 15-2 since FSU's been eligible to win ACC titles. Even your simple-arse can understand that fact, I think.
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yes, that is true, but again, Clemson was better in the 80's, FSU was not. Clemson was not good in 90s, FSU had good time when they joined.

Majority of FSU's ACC titles were pre-expansion, all but 3. Obviously that was an easy conference to win with Clemson down and out, and without the new schools. Virginia Tech has won 4 since joining.

neither byu or colorado are relevant programs today. Colorado has not been good in forever. BYU has a decent year ever now and then. FSU claims to be best of the best, and their fans act like they should be in SEC, but they don't schedule SEC out of conference other than Florida.

I believe Bowden starting losing more in the 00's because the teams were better, as I posted earlier. Not b/c he got old. He still had more 4 and 5 star players than other ACC teams in his last 8 years.
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You think Bowden being in his late 70's had nothing to do with FSU losing games?

You are STILL saying FSU only has 3 titles since expansion? Seriously, only 3?

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I'll repeat one last time for you:
1. No school has more ACC titles than FSU since expansion.
2. No school has more ACC CG appearances than FSU since expansion.
3. FSU has double the ACC titles of Clemson since expansion.
4. FSU has a 15-2 ACC title edge on Clemson since FSU joined the conference.
5. FSU has a 15-9 (or 15-11, if you insist) ACC title edge on the entire ACC since FSU joined the conference.
6. FSU was just 2-5 against Clemson during Bowden's final 7 years. FSU is now 4-2 against Clemson since Bowden's retirement.
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RE: Clemson is different
FSU is 4-2 againt Clemson since Bowden retired because you had 2 NFL QBs in a row, one of which went no. 1 in the draft. Clemson shoulod be favored to win next year and most loikely the next.

you are not always going to have a Winston at QB. And you are using the Bowden getting old thing as an excuse. it is 7-6 Clemson the past 13 years. Clemson fired our Bowden in 2008 so it isn't like everything was peachy at Clemson during Bobby's final years. Bobby still probably had more 4 and 5 stars than Clemson during Bobby's last 8 years as I said before.

My opinion, FSU fans have taken having a talent like Winston at QB for granted. some rocky times could be ahead.
12-20-2015 01:23 PM
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