Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

Does he know what to do with a lead with five or less minutes left in the game? Will his players be disciplined enough to avoid stupid late hit and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties? If the answer is yes then I say Great hire. Time will tell.

(12-13-2015 01:19 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

In retrospect it was probably just smarter go give Ruff more money for his position coaches. He probably could have upgraded the secondary coach's position.

(12-13-2015 01:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:19 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

In retrospect it was probably just smarter go give Ruff more money for his position coaches. He probably could have upgraded the secondary coach's position.

I agree 100%

If for no other reason than I feel you scared off a lot of legit candidates that would have been interested in the job if the AD didn't seem like such a loose cannon.

If Ruff underperformed next year, I could see ECU's resources easily luring a championship level HC from the lesser conferences upon his resignation/termination.

This job had the same bad vibes surrounding it as the Texas OC job. A guy like Fleck should have been all over this job. I'm stunned that ECU wasn't able to parlay their high-end AAC job opening into a high-end candidate.

(12-13-2015 01:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:19 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

In retrospect it was probably just smarter go give Ruff more money for his position coaches. He probably could have upgraded the secondary coach's position.

But Coach McNeill wasn't going to upgrade his staff if he got more money, he was simply going to give them all raises. He was loyal to a fault.

(12-13-2015 01:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:19 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

In retrospect it was probably just smarter go give Ruff more money for his position coaches. He probably could have upgraded the secondary coach's position.

Yes, if he wa willing to make drastic staff changes, which I don't think he was. Hell even with no extra money considering Smith was the 3rd highest paid assistant in the league we should have been able to afford better than the proposed replacement plan.

(12-13-2015 01:48 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:19 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

In retrospect it was probably just smarter go give Ruff more money for his position coaches. He probably could have upgraded the secondary coach's position.

I agree 100%

If for no other reason than I feel you scared off a lot of legit candidates that would have been interested in the job if the AD didn't seem like such a loose cannon.

If Ruff underperformed next year, I could see ECU's resources easily luring a championship level HC from the lesser conferences upon his resignation/termination.

This job had the same bad vibes surrounding it as the Texas OC job. A guy like Fleck should have been all over this job. I'm stunned that ECU wasn't able to parlay their high-end AAC job opening into a high-end candidate.

On the other hand this hire might turn out to be a homerun. We need to actually play games before we can know.

Interesting choice. Unexpected. Good luck to him. If he can recruit to duke, he can recruit to ecu.

I like Mike Tomlin.

I like Dave Cutcliffe.

I like a Duke team that largely has been in the ACC title picture for his tenure.

Therefore, I have NO reason to dislike Scottie Montgomery.

(12-13-2015 01:48 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:34 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:19 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:09 AM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:43 AM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  Giant risk, but could pay off. Even if he's JT 2 ECU will survive, but Comphers career won't. If we aren't really good next year he will be fired by the incoming chancellor. Even if we are really good he might still be fired by the incoming chancellor. I'm willing to give this guy a chance, but I'm done with Compher unless this guy is the next Tom Herman.

Now you and I have finally merged onto the same road. I wish Montgomery well. Compher's crazyass needs to be gone.

Our main disagreement is I don't think Ruff was a very good coach and thought upgrading shouldn't have been too tough. We may have, but it appears we got at best our 3rd choice because of us being cheap.

In retrospect it was probably just smarter go give Ruff more money for his position coaches. He probably could have upgraded the secondary coach's position.

I agree 100%

If for no other reason than I feel you scared off a lot of legit candidates that would have been interested in the job if the AD didn't seem like such a loose cannon.

If Ruff underperformed next year, I could see ECU's resources easily luring a championship level HC from the lesser conferences upon his resignation/termination.

This job had the same bad vibes surrounding it as the Texas OC job. A guy like Fleck should have been all over this job. I'm stunned that ECU wasn't able to parlay their high-end AAC job opening into a high-end candidate.

I gotta be honest man, from reading your comments the last few days, and as a Pirate Club donor since I graduated from East Carolina,

**** you.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Just stop giving your opinion as if you have any idea what you're talking about. You have no understanding of this program or those that are closest to it. Your opinion is null and void therefore.

Just stop

Watching the video Scottie seems very hands on when coaching the kids.

In the other segments of the video he doesn't seem very head coach ready. He says when 8 kids are walking on to play special teams that is when you know their motivated for championships.

He doesn't sound like he's ready to manage a staff of football coaches. I didn't think Ruff was a good leader but I at least felt he was a manager. Motivating at the position level that I can see.

May be wrong, but this def smells like JT, part two. Fair resume with good interview skills. Was a PowerPoint provided? Compher has underwhelmed. Go Pirates.

Am just hearing the news about Montgomery. Well, after being somewhat initially stoked by Compher's pre-hiring rhetoric, I guess I'm a little underwhelmed with this hire. Like many others, I was looking for a more "splashy" hire and someone with previous HC experience. With that said, I am not prejudging the new hire and will support him. Even the most successful coaches have to start somewhere. I'm just getting a little tired of them always starting at ECU. Good luck Scotty! Go Pirates!!

Never heard of Montgomery until this thread.

Hope it works out, for the sake of the conference.

This seems to be a big gamble vs. Ruff. A potentially higher upside but a potentially lower downside.

The problem is, if ECU wins the gamble and Montgomery takes ECU to higher heights than Ruff in the next 4-5 years . . . Montgomery is a Duke grad. And Cutcliffe would be 65-66 by then.

It's definitely a surprising move. The odd thing for me is that he was essentially the polar opposite of the other 2 finalist in Hoke and Withers who were more experienced head coaches and this guy is a relatively inexperienced OC. Will be interesting to see what kind of staff he can put together being so young with probably limited contacts. That being said I do think Cutcliff is one of the better coaches in the country so hopefully he's been mentored well. Duke has also been tearing it up on the recruiting trail this year (ranked 25th nationally) so hopefully this guy's a really good recruiter.

The only sure thing is that this is 100% on Compher. I tossed Montgomerys name out last week because I think that's the best we can do with the situation Compher created. I like that he's local, had a good HC to learn from, he's young and can recruit, and you know he's going to put 100% in his first HC job to try to make a name for himself.
I honestly don't think Compher could have made a big name hire after getting rid of Ruff the way he did and for the reasons he did. I am a little worried if this is a money thing. Does ECU have financial troubles in the athletic department that we aren't aware of?

No matter who we hired there were going to be some on this board that are upset/disappointed with the choice. Personally, I had not heard of the guy but am willing to give him a chance. Hopefully he can contact recruits that have committed and get them to ECU. Maybe he can get some that have decommitted to change their minds and come back.

(12-13-2015 08:10 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Never heard of Montgomery until this thread.

Hope it works out, for the sake of the conference.

This seems to be a big gamble vs. Ruff. A potentially higher upside but a potentially lower downside.

The problem is, if ECU wins the gamble and Montgomery takes ECU to higher heights than Ruff in the next 4-5 years . . . Montgomery is a Duke grad. And Cutcliffe would be 65-66 by then.

An Iron Duke club friend of mine said SM was being groomed to be the next coach at Duke. He also says that he was very well liked and is super person.

There is very little most of the AAC schools can do about losing coaches. This season is proof. We generally lack the prestige, P5 status and money to hold a coach long term at this point. Hopefully that will change as the league grows. All we can do is get the most we can out of what we have and move on positively. ECU decided to make a change. It seems to a move that a large vocal group resents. Scottie is going to have to quickly come in and throw a blanket on this fire.