(12-13-2015 02:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  What nonsense.

Different regions of the country have completely different cultures, feels, traditions, etc. Having someone who "knows" or grew up in that part of the country makes that coach instantly more relatable to people in that region.


College football is, and should be, a regional affair.

Yeah, OK. Whatever dude.

Recruiting is sales. If you can sell a car in Valdosta, GA you are going to be able to sell a car in Oak Park, IN or Cutler, CA. It's the same thing with recruiting. The kids are kids and the parents are parents.

Then a robot could do equally as well.

I guess. Except for the human side of things.

Quote:Just print out a few pages with pictures of the facilities, history of the program, projected playing time for the recruit, etc.

You are wasting your time because when you get to the point of having in-home visits the kid already knows all of that. That might have been a key part of recruiting back in the 60's/70's/80's but in the internet age kids and parents have that information (and much more) at their fingertips.

Quote:Programs largely sell themselves, to an extent. The "secret sauce" in getting this kid or that kid, who you really want, is being able to relate to the kid and his parents/guardians.

So in walks some guy with a northern or eastern accent into a southern, cornbread home .... you get instant distrust from the parents.

Yes because Urban Meyer had a ton of trouble recruiting when he was at Florida with his Ohio accent, Les Miles has struggled at LSU, Dan Mullen has struggled recruiting at Mississippi State, James Franklin struggled at Vanderbilt, Mark Stoops has struggled at Kentucky, Al Golden struggled recruiting while at Miami, and Butch Jones has struggled at Tennessee.

On the flip side Ken Hatfield and Tommy West were as southern as it gets and they couldn't recruit worth a lick while at Clemson. It doesn't get any more southern than Steve Spurrier's east Tennessee drawl yet his biggest downfall at South Carolina was horrible recruiting the past four or five years.

Again, recruiting is sales, specifically knowing how to tailor your message to the customer in front of you. If you are effective selling your product in one region you'll be successful no matter where you go.

False. Tim Brewster Minnesota.

Brewster recruited pretty well by Minnesota standards. It's not like he had a lot of talent to choose from in-state and had to go outside the state to get players to come spend four+ years in Siberia.

Brewster's four recruiting classes averaged an 8.75 ranking in the Big Slow per 24/7. The five classes since his firing have averaged a 12.2 ranking in the Big Slow. According to the experts that cover recruiting Brewster was able to bring in higher rated classes compared to his successors.

(12-13-2015 03:27 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 02:53 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 01:24 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 12:00 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-13-2015 11:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Yeah, OK. Whatever dude.

Recruiting is sales. If you can sell a car in Valdosta, GA you are going to be able to sell a car in Oak Park, IN or Cutler, CA. It's the same thing with recruiting. The kids are kids and the parents are parents.

Then a robot could do equally as well.

I guess. Except for the human side of things.

Quote:Just print out a few pages with pictures of the facilities, history of the program, projected playing time for the recruit, etc.

You are wasting your time because when you get to the point of having in-home visits the kid already knows all of that. That might have been a key part of recruiting back in the 60's/70's/80's but in the internet age kids and parents have that information (and much more) at their fingertips.

Quote:Programs largely sell themselves, to an extent. The "secret sauce" in getting this kid or that kid, who you really want, is being able to relate to the kid and his parents/guardians.

So in walks some guy with a northern or eastern accent into a southern, cornbread home .... you get instant distrust from the parents.

Yes because Urban Meyer had a ton of trouble recruiting when he was at Florida with his Ohio accent, Les Miles has struggled at LSU, Dan Mullen has struggled recruiting at Mississippi State, James Franklin struggled at Vanderbilt, Mark Stoops has struggled at Kentucky, Al Golden struggled recruiting while at Miami, and Butch Jones has struggled at Tennessee.

On the flip side Ken Hatfield and Tommy West were as southern as it gets and they couldn't recruit worth a lick while at Clemson. It doesn't get any more southern than Steve Spurrier's east Tennessee drawl yet his biggest downfall at South Carolina was horrible recruiting the past four or five years.

Again, recruiting is sales, specifically knowing how to tailor your message to the customer in front of you. If you are effective selling your product in one region you'll be successful no matter where you go.

False. Tim Brewster Minnesota.

Brewster recruited pretty well by Minnesota standards. It's not like he had a lot of talent to choose from in-state and had to go outside the state to get players to come spend four+ years in Siberia.

Brewster's four recruiting classes averaged an 8.75 ranking in the Big Slow per 24/7. The five classes since his firing have averaged a 12.2 ranking in the Big Slow. According to the experts that cover recruiting Brewster was able to bring in higher rated classes compared to his successors.

Brewster was nothing if not a slick car salesman. And he couldn't recruit that same talent to MN.

You say it can't be done ... but Wisconsin proves you wrong.

(12-12-2015 09:40 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:42 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:17 PM)brista21 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:52 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 01:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Ohio State already has several recruiting specialists on staff. One of them is Kerry Coombs, a former Cincinnati-area high school coach and former UC DB coach. He's a great recruiter but a horrible coach - in his time here the DBs were the worst unit on our team by far. Eventually we downgraded him to be just the cornerbacks coach and "associate head coach." The AHC position was just something to help sell recruits.

Also, Ohio has so much homegrown talent that they don't have to tap into the relatively weak New Jersey recruiting scene. OSU currently has 70 Ohio kids and 5 NJ kids on the roster. And if anything, Urban has redirected them to look South for talent.

All-in-all, I think this hire is due to his coaching skills, not his recruiting skills.

NJ is NOT a weak recruiting scene.

NJ is a top 8 football talent producing state, its not as deep as Ohio certainly, but its deep.

Exactly, ask Penn State, Nebraska and Wisconsin how weak NJ recruiting is.

I said "relatively weak." That means "weak compared to Ohio." NJ is pretty good for a midsized state, but it's still a midsized state. It's not big enough for a school 500 miles away to bother hiring a guy because of his recruiting connections there (unless that school is in a recruiting wasteland like West Virginia or Boston College).


Ohio #5 with 78 NFL players, NJ # 10 with 52:
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/which-state-...fl-players

Rivals 3 star and above players for 2016:
Ohio: 71 players
New Jersey: 34 players

Fair enough (more or less) compared to Ohio. As for midsized state, NJ is #11 in population with about 9 million people. And Ohio at about 11.6 million is #7. Both are large states with Ohio obviously being larger. Ohio produces about 6 3-star recruits per million people. NJ produces about 3.75 3-star recruits per million people. So I'll give you relatively weaker compared to Ohio, but context is everything. The way you used it, we'd naturally interpret that to you meaning that NJ is towards the lower end of talent production.