(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

Hoke is a great coach. He had to spend most of his time at Michigan fixing Richrods disaster.

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

I love it. I read tons of posts where everyone else is primed and ready to go...even UCF and Memphis with new, unproven coaches...yet ECU is questionable.

(12-12-2015 11:14 AM)apex_pirate Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

I love it. I read tons of posts where everyone else is primed and ready to go...even UCF and Memphis with new, unproven coaches...yet ECU is questionable.

Imo, the favorites will be Houston in the west and USF in the EAst. Temple, and Memphis take steps backward. From all indications, my team, Cincinnati, takes a major step backwards. Sure, we have all these returning starters on defense, but I have zero faith in the coach. He will achieve a 4 and 4 record in the league into perpetuity. Connecticut will be better. ECU is an unknown. UCF is at least a year away. No quick rebuild.

Very underwhelming candidate imo. A step down from Ruff.

On paper, if Hoke is hired it will be the "most impressive" hire we've made in football to date. His resume -along with those of the other two rumored finalists for the job (Chizik and Whithers)- is better than Ruffin's was when he was hired and in all honesty, he's a better X's and O's guy, as we saw in his days at Ball State, SDSU and yes, even Michigan (by this I mean that his game management skills were better).

He won 12 games after building up Ball State. He won at SDSU. Prior to his arrival neither of these programs had been winners in the years prior. He established a culture of "winning" at SDSU and that program has continued winning each year after his departure under Rocky Long.

Being that I think SDSU and ECU have much in common (although we have a slightly better reputation in football), I think that this could be a very good fit if he makes better decisions with regards to the general direction of the program than he did at Michigan.

In other words, if he tries to turn us into a more traditional/pro-set offense, he will be fired within 3 years. He tried to take RR's players at Michigan and make them into something they were not. He won using the spread in year one... and failed after he tried to implement another scheme. That turned out to be a very bad decision.

I think that Chizik will not be the coach. He may or may not be interested but his contract should not be bought-out in any case. He's a great DC but he has baggage from his previous stint at Auburn. He's a hell of a good DC and would likely do well in Greenville but he in no way warrants a buy-out of any kind. In other words, if he wants to be a HC again and if he wants to test his skills in Greenville, he needs to be thankful for the opportunity and pay for his own move.

I do think that Whithers would be a great hire. The word is that he's not very approachable and I'm not so sure that he could assemble as good of a staff as Hoke or Chizik could. However, his resume is outstanding and he's done a great job at JMU. If it turns out to be him I'll be pleased.

Hell, I'll be pleased with any of these choices. I'm just ready for the drama to end LOL.

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Very underwhelming candidate imo. A step down from Ruff.

That's not expecting much from the next coach. Ruff only won 7 games against teams that ending up having winning seasons in 6 years. In addition, he lost the overwhelming majority of late season crucial conference games during his tenure.

(12-12-2015 03:46 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Very underwhelming candidate imo. A step down from Ruff.

That's not expecting much from the next coach. Ruff only won 7 games against teams that ending up having winning seasons in 6 years. In addition, he lost the overwhelming majority of late season crucial conference games during his tenure.

^^^This^^^. Way too many games lost to time management, poor play calling and knucklehead players not being team players. Ruff lost the locker room this season. The seniors were not a good bunch of team players. That can't happen.

Hoke would be a huge upgrade.

(12-12-2015 04:03 PM)isidnirb Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 03:46 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Very underwhelming candidate imo. A step down from Ruff.

That's not expecting much from the next coach. Ruff only won 7 games against teams that ending up having winning seasons in 6 years. In addition, he lost the overwhelming majority of late season crucial conference games during his tenure.

^^^This^^^. Way too many games lost to time management, poor play calling and knucklehead players not being team players. Ruff lost the locker room this season. The seniors were not a good bunch of team players. That can't happen.

Hoke would be a huge upgrade.

Oh God, I really hope the apologist crew doesn't come in here

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

I agree with Pesik here. Where is all of this talent in ECU? I don't see 9 wins being realistic at all,

There's a book called Soccernomics, which goes into details of the numbers behind successful--and not-so-successful--soccer clubs in the world. A lot of it applies to football as well.

It goes into coaching searches for a few chapters. One thing you see is non-football people automatically saying that the average hire is the WORST thing you can do; the hire must make you feel excited or else it wasn't worth it. A coach doesn't have to be exciting. He just needs to be smart and able to bring a staff in through their connections. Whoever we bring in, we aren't going to know if either of those things will happen until far down the road.

With all of this said, I tend to rank Withers and Hoke around the same but for different reasons. For one of the few times in our history our apparent candidates have experience being head coaches.

I am afraid that the new head coach will not have a good year next year, regardless of how much of a guru they are. Whatever positive feelings we have next season will probably have to come from news on the recruiting trail.

(12-12-2015 03:46 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Very underwhelming candidate imo. A step down from Ruff.

That's not expecting much from the next coach. Ruff only won 7 games against teams that ending up having winning seasons in 6 years. In addition, he lost the overwhelming majority of late season crucial conference games during his tenure.

Hoke really ran Michigan into the ground. One big year at Ball State and one big year at SDSU. One big year at Michigan after taking over R.R. then straight downhill. 12 years as head coach and only 3 good seasons. I sincerely hope ECU makes a better choice than this guy...

(12-12-2015 04:38 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

I agree with Pesik here. Where is all of this talent in ECU? I don't see 9 wins being realistic at all,

The "talent" is what allows ECU to despite the QB sitiuation to have a shot late against Florids, BYU, Temple, USF, and Cincy. The coaching is why we lost all of them.

Seems like Duke's OC Scottie Montgomery is a candidate as of this weekend. He is a very interesting candidate to me. Has coached at Duke under Cutcliffe and Pittsburgh under Tomlin. Not a lot of experience, but if he can bring a staff (which he may not be able to do) he could be a good one.

(12-12-2015 05:56 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 03:46 PM)RIFRAF Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 12:13 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Very underwhelming candidate imo. A step down from Ruff.

That's not expecting much from the next coach. Ruff only won 7 games against teams that ending up having winning seasons in 6 years. In addition, he lost the overwhelming majority of late season crucial conference games during his tenure.

Hoke really ran Michigan into the ground. One big year at Ball State and one big year at SDSU. One big year at Michigan after taking over R.R. then straight downhill. 12 years as head coach and only 3 good seasons. I sincerely hope ECU makes a better choice than this guy...

I'm guessing you weren't an O'Leary fan

(12-12-2015 06:16 PM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:38 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

I agree with Pesik here. Where is all of this talent in ECU? I don't see 9 wins being realistic at all,

The "talent" is what allows ECU to despite the QB sitiuation to have a shot late against Florids, BYU, Temple, USF, and Cincy. The coaching is why we lost all of them.

Yeah, still not seeing it. Your record is what you are. 5- 7 and no bowl game.

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

Not sure how any coach gets five wins when you add a 5 star RB and a very good QB compared to a good FCS QB to this year's team.

We lose nobody on offense except for a couple o linemen and Bryce Williams. On defense we lose Bigger and Overton but they were overhyped and are replaceable

If we lose to NCSU next year then we're in for a long ride, if we win it I'll be more optimistic.

(12-12-2015 09:15 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 06:16 PM)pirates4lyfe Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 04:38 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 10:18 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 09:44 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  ECU is probably going to win 7-9 games next year regardless of who is coaching just on the amount of shear talent coming back/in. So whoever JC hires will make him look like a genius.

this isnt c-usa where talent is carrying anyone,everyone is projecting 9 wins, some one is going to be disappointed next year

cincy returns a bunch and were they lose players (the WR, they add 2 4star wrs to replace them)
temple just won the east
usf will be favorite to win the east as they return everyone
even the bad teams are projected better next year

with an ooc of ncstate, vtech and south carolina

im not sure where anyone can say they will win 7to9 on talent alone on your schedule ...not even adding 8 of the teams on your next year schedule out recruit you

ecu has some piece in place to be decent to good, but that will depend on the Coach...even a decent coach could easily end up with 5 win next year...a "great" hire could maybe put together 9 maybe 10..but coaching will definitely impact your season...

I agree with Pesik here. Where is all of this talent in ECU? I don't see 9 wins being realistic at all,

The "talent" is what allows ECU to despite the QB sitiuation to have a shot late against Florids, BYU, Temple, USF, and Cincy. The coaching is why we lost all of them.

Yeah, still not seeing it. Your record is what you are. 5- 7 and no bowl game.

Yet UCF is SO much better than their record according to fans here. ECU isn't given that same respect. Cincy fans should know we have as much talent as you.

(12-12-2015 09:39 PM)ECBrad Wrote:  If we lose to NCSU next year then we're in for a long ride, if we win it I'll be more optimistic.

What if we tie?


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