Not trying to stir the pot when it comes to the conference debate, but for all the people pushing for NIU to join the Big 12, here's a new article on the topic and note it does not mention the Huskies.
Specific note to Maddawgz02 -- As so many others on here have noted, Chicago is a pro market, not really a college market and when you consider what college market exists, NIU is not a dominant factor in that portion. That's why the most realistic scenario is the Big 12 poaching someone from the AAC and that league then taking NIU; only problem is who and how many AAC teams depart puts into question the value of a jump to the AAC.
Please remember the P5 have zero interest in there being a P6. The P5 will always want it to remain P5 with a G5.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...-post.html

For those of you missed Huskie Tap22's contribution to the B1G blocking B12 thread, he provided two links about Wichita State bringing back college football. Which brings up the idea of something better than the MAC minus the far-flung AAC travel.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-columns...64375.html

http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/AAC-...t/36869960

Two things: No. 1, for history buffs, Wichita State did away with football the year (1982) NIU was supposed to have a return game from the Shockers who basically said: "Sorry, we dropped football, go ahead and sue us because the money you waste in court will probably be greater than what you would have gained from the home game." No. 2, note the WSU options are listed as joining the MWC, the AAC, or not bringing back football and joining the Big East as a step up for basketball over the Missouri Valley.
If we had a MAC administration with forward-thinking leadership, someone could push to establish a new American Breadbasket Conference (ABC) featuring an East Division (listed with travel partner) NIU / BSU, Toledo / BGSU, WMU / CMU, and a West Division (also listed with travel partner) Iowa State / Northern Iowa, Wichita State / Missouri State, plus North Dakota State / South Dakota State. Would be interesting league for men's and women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, wrestling, tennis, baseball and softball. Hey, it's just as likely as NIU being renamed.

Wichita State is dreaming big with all their success, good for them. They are the only show in town...that is the most important thing. Very interesting to see the rumblings to restart the football program.

Personally I think Evansville wins the MVC this year. Go Aces.

Koch brothers have a lot of money to throw at a new Wichita State football program.

(12-10-2015 07:52 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Not trying to stir the pot when it comes to the conference debate, but for all the people pushing for NIU to join the Big 12, here's a new article on the topic and note it does not mention the Huskies.
Specific note to Maddawgz02 -- As so many others on here have noted, Chicago is a pro market, not really a college market and when you consider what college market exists, NIU is not a dominant factor in that portion. That's why the most realistic scenario is the Big 12 poaching someone from the AAC and that league then taking NIU; only problem is who and how many AAC teams depart puts into question the value of a jump to the AAC.
Please remember the P5 have zero interest in there being a P6. The P5 will always want it to remain P5 with a G5.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...-post.html

For those of you missed Huskie Tap22's contribution to the B1G blocking B12 thread, he provided two links about Wichita State bringing back college football. Which brings up the idea of something better than the MAC minus the far-flung AAC travel.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-columns...64375.html

http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/AAC-...t/36869960

Two things: No. 1, for history buffs, Wichita State did away with football the year (1982) NIU was supposed to have a return game from the Shockers who basically said: "Sorry, we dropped football, go ahead and sue us because the money you waste in court will probably be greater than what you would have gained from the home game." No. 2, note the WSU options are listed as joining the MWC, the AAC, or not bringing back football and joining the Big East as a step up for basketball over the Missouri Valley.
If we had a MAC administration with forward-thinking leadership, someone could push to establish a new American Breadbasket Conference (ABC) featuring an East Division (listed with travel partner) NIU / BSU, Toledo / BGSU, WMU / CMU, and a West Division (also listed with travel partner) Iowa State / Northern Iowa, Wichita State / Missouri State, plus North Dakota State / South Dakota State. Would be interesting league for men's and women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, wrestling, tennis, baseball and softball. Hey, it's just as likely as NIU being renamed.

Agree that while a huge market, Chicago is watered down with pro-sports and multiple college loyalties. Having said that, Any AAC or B12 Interest in us for our "Chicago" market would also include utilizing the Chicago area for increased recruiting, as well as adding our crap-load of TV sets to any future conference network. Neither of those advantages are greatly effected by the pro/college deluge in Chicago...

If the Big 12 is going to stay relevant it will eventually have to add its own network, and no one can question the Chicago market would be an absolute cash cow for the Big 12, just about # TV sets

With everyone cutting cable over the past decade it will be interesting to see if the Big Ten regrets adding Rutgers and Maryland. The Big 12 will not be upset on missing the NIU boat.

(12-10-2015 07:52 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  Not trying to stir the pot when it comes to the conference debate, but for all the people pushing for NIU to join the Big 12, here's a new article on the topic and note it does not mention the Huskies.
Specific note to Maddawgz02 -- As so many others on here have noted, Chicago is a pro market, not really a college market and when you consider what college market exists, NIU is not a dominant factor in that portion. That's why the most realistic scenario is the Big 12 poaching someone from the AAC and that league then taking NIU; only problem is who and how many AAC teams depart puts into question the value of a jump to the AAC.
Please remember the P5 have zero interest in there being a P6. The P5 will always want it to remain P5 with a G5.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...-post.html

For those of you missed Huskie Tap22's contribution to the B1G blocking B12 thread, he provided two links about Wichita State bringing back college football. Which brings up the idea of something better than the MAC minus the far-flung AAC travel.

http://www.kansas.com/sports/spt-columns...64375.html

http://www.kwch.com/news/local-news/AAC-...t/36869960

Two things: No. 1, for history buffs, Wichita State did away with football the year (1982) NIU was supposed to have a return game from the Shockers who basically said: "Sorry, we dropped football, go ahead and sue us because the money you waste in court will probably be greater than what you would have gained from the home game." No. 2, note the WSU options are listed as joining the MWC, the AAC, or not bringing back football and joining the Big East as a step up for basketball over the Missouri Valley.
If we had a MAC administration with forward-thinking leadership, someone could push to establish a new American Breadbasket Conference (ABC) featuring an East Division (listed with travel partner) NIU / BSU, Toledo / BGSU, WMU / CMU, and a West Division (also listed with travel partner) Iowa State / Northern Iowa, Wichita State / Missouri State, plus North Dakota State / South Dakota State. Would be interesting league for men's and women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, wrestling, tennis, baseball and softball. Hey, it's just as likely as NIU being renamed.

I really agree with you. The last time a college team really grabbed the Chicago market was DePaul basketball from about 1979-to maybe the mid 80s. At that time, all Chicago teams sucked. The Cubs were bad, the White Sox were bad, the Bears were bad, the Bulls were again removed from a couple of good years, and the Blackhawks were almost a non-entity, beginning completely wiped off the TV market.

As the Sox made the playoffs in 83, the Cubs in 84, the Bears winning a Super Bowl, DePaul fell from one of the top three teams in the country and the college appetite fell away. With the exception of Northwestern's miracle year in the early 90s, a couple of U of I runs, the Chicago market is strictly pro. DePaul's appeal was just that there were no championships in such a long time and there was a hunger for a winner.

Hence, we have seen championships in every major sport and there is no longer that need to spend dollars chasing a fad.

(12-10-2015 11:49 PM)northernbear1 Wrote:  With everyone cutting cable over the past decade it will be interesting to see if the Big Ten regrets adding Rutgers and Maryland. The Big 12 will not be upset on missing the NIU boat.

Never. They've made millions and millions off them already and it's just going to grow as they keep adding the network to new cable providers in the Northeast

(12-10-2015 11:49 PM)northernbear1 Wrote:  With everyone cutting cable over the past decade it will be interesting to see if the Big Ten regrets adding Rutgers and Maryland.

I must have missed the headlines about the impending death of cable companies. You must have missed the plethora of Maddawgz02's posts on the goldmine Chicago would provide a non-existent Big 12 Network.

The Big Ten will never regret adding those programs because it's already made them millions and most importantly, the B1G had secondary reasons for adding them because it views things from a conference perspective.
Perhaps you and some others on here only think in terms of football, but the B1G considers success in multiple sports to be significant. Rutgers made this year's Final Four for women's soccer -- And yes, the MAC is represented by Akron in the men's Final Four.
Maryland gave the league two qualifiers in field hockey (and boasts eight national titles), Maryland is ranked No. 8 in the latest men's basketball poll while the women's poll has Maryland fifth and the Terps are one of only two programs to have won NCAA titles in both men's and women's basketball. Maryland won its 13th women's lacrosse title last spring while the men's squad has 10 national titles. Plus both schools have academic standings and endowments to add to the conference's reputation.
We can all despise the P5 and the B1G for greed and other reasons, but it's insane to deny the money machine its developed.

of the big markets (new york, los angles, chicago, philly, dallas) none of them are the top college sports markets ( Birmingham / Oklahoma City / Columbus / Greenville / New Orleans / Atlanta / Jacksonville / Tulsa ) per ESPN.

of the top college sports markets, only New Orleans and Atlanta have their own NFL teams (Jacksonville does, but well you know). the five biggest TV markets don't even crack the top 25 of college sports television, and its an apples to oranges argument that is going to take serious marketing to convert over to apples to apples.

(12-11-2015 05:10 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  of the big markets (new york, los angles, chicago, philly, dallas) none of them are the top college sports markets ( Birmingham / Oklahoma City / Columbus / Greenville / New Orleans / Atlanta / Jacksonville / Tulsa ) per ESPN.

of the top college sports markets, only New Orleans and Atlanta have their own NFL teams (Jacksonville does, but well you know). the five biggest TV markets don't even crack the top 25 of college sports television, and its an apples to oranges argument that is going to take serious marketing to convert over to apples to apples.

Really?

(12-11-2015 05:13 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 05:10 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  of the big markets (new york, los angles, chicago, philly, dallas) none of them are the top college sports markets ( Birmingham / Oklahoma City / Columbus / Greenville / New Orleans / Atlanta / Jacksonville / Tulsa ) per ESPN.

of the top college sports markets, only New Orleans and Atlanta have their own NFL teams (Jacksonville does, but well you know). the five biggest TV markets don't even crack the top 25 of college sports television, and its an apples to oranges argument that is going to take serious marketing to convert over to apples to apples.

Really?

Hahahaha

(12-11-2015 05:29 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 05:13 PM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 05:10 PM)thehappyhuskie Wrote:  of the big markets (new york, los angles, chicago, philly, dallas) none of them are the top college sports markets ( Birmingham / Oklahoma City / Columbus / Greenville / New Orleans / Atlanta / Jacksonville / Tulsa ) per ESPN.

of the top college sports markets, only New Orleans and Atlanta have their own NFL teams (Jacksonville does, but well you know). the five biggest TV markets don't even crack the top 25 of college sports television, and its an apples to oranges argument that is going to take serious marketing to convert over to apples to apples.

Really?

Hahahaha

http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-releas...e-in-2011/

so share of market that follows college football doesn't translate to actual viewership.

Viewership doesn't actually matter too much. Cable subscribers in the Chicago area would pay Automatic subscription fees to get the hypothetical B12 network

(12-11-2015 06:28 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Viewership doesn't actually matter too much. Cable subscribers in the Chicago area would pay Automatic subscription fees to get the hypothetical B12 network

Why do you assume the cable companies would include a hypothetical B12 network into their sports package to generate that automatic fee? Comcast doesn't include SNY, Prime, ESPN Classic, PAC12, or Fox Sports College around Chicago, and those have been in existence.

(12-11-2015 08:21 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 06:28 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Viewership doesn't actually matter too much. Cable subscribers in the Chicago area would pay Automatic subscription fees to get the hypothetical B12 network

Why do you assume the cable companies would include a hypothetical B12 network into their sports package to generate that automatic fee? Comcast doesn't include SNY, Prime, ESPN Classic, PAC12, or Fox Sports College around Chicago, and those have been in existence.

why do you think companies in NY added the BTN when Rutgers joined? There's money to be made and that is the only reason expansion happened in the first place. College sports are a business. Athletic directors are CEOs. TV is their biggest revenue producer

(12-12-2015 07:48 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  why do you think companies in NY added the BTN when Rutgers joined?

There are plenty of B1G alums in the New York area and having Rutgers in the league made the numbers worthwhile. No. 1, a Big 12 Network doesn't even exist; No. 2, there's no indication there are that many Big 12 alums in the Chicago area; No. 3, the numbers are no where equal when it comes to Big 12 alums and NIU fans around Chicago to the numbers of B1G alums and Rutgers fans around New York. Even if you don't believe there are that many B1G alums around New York, a greater slice of college football fans are more interested in the B1G than the Big 12. In the old days it was the Big Two and the Little Eight with Michigan and Ohio State while the Big 8 was the Big Two with Nebraska and Oklahoma plus the Little Six. Nebraska is in the B1G as is Penn State, Oklahoma isn't what it used to be and people outside of Texas don't like the Longhorns.
We are all Huskie fans, but sometimes you have to take stop considering every scenario strictly from we'd like to happen or what is in the best interests of NIU. We have to bring as much or even more to the table than we're going to get in benefits. NIU cannot deliver the Chicago market.

(12-11-2015 06:28 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Viewership doesn't actually matter too much. Cable subscribers in the Chicago area would pay Automatic subscription fees to get the hypothetical B12 network

This is what people are not realizing, thanks for making this point. If its not me saying it , people will give it credibility.

(12-12-2015 02:27 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 07:48 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  why do you think companies in NY added the BTN when Rutgers joined?

There are plenty of B1G alums in the New York area and having Rutgers in the league made the numbers worthwhile. No. 1, a Big 12 Network doesn't even exist; No. 2, there's no indication there are that many Big 12 alums in the Chicago area; No. 3, the numbers are no where equal when it comes to Big 12 alums and NIU fans around Chicago to the numbers of B1G alums and Rutgers fans around New York. Even if you don't believe there are that many B1G alums around New York, a greater slice of college football fans are more interested in the B1G than the Big 12. In the old days it was the Big Two and the Little Eight with Michigan and Ohio State while the Big 8 was the Big Two with Nebraska and Oklahoma plus the Little Six. Nebraska is in the B1G as is Penn State, Oklahoma isn't what it used to be and people outside of Texas don't like the Longhorns.
We are all Huskie fans, but sometimes you have to take stop considering every scenario strictly from we'd like to happen or what is in the best interests of NIU. We have to bring as much or even more to the table than we're going to get in benefits. NIU cannot deliver the Chicago market.

You don't understand how TV markets works. We all know that NIU isn't a marquee name in the Chicago area but they don't have to be if there was going to be a B12 Network. National ad revenue would still come in. Viewership would be there. Automatic fees for millions would be there
i really never see it happening but it's not as far-fetched as many people think it is

(12-12-2015 07:48 AM)HuskieRak Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 08:21 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 06:28 PM)HuskieRak Wrote:  Viewership doesn't actually matter too much. Cable subscribers in the Chicago area would pay Automatic subscription fees to get the hypothetical B12 network

Why do you assume the cable companies would include a hypothetical B12 network into their sports package to generate that automatic fee? Comcast doesn't include SNY, Prime, ESPN Classic, PAC12, or Fox Sports College around Chicago, and those have been in existence.

why do you think companies in NY added the BTN when Rutgers joined? There's money to be made and that is the only reason expansion happened in the first place. College sports are a business. Athletic directors are CEOs. TV is their biggest revenue producer

Cable/satellite subscribers in states that have a member of the Big Ten are charged more for receiving the Big 10 network. That is why the Big 10 went out east to bigger markets/more populated states. The Big Ten network is making an obcene amount of dough.

If the Big 12 were to create a network and they were able to replicate this...having a team in Illinois would be a huge cash cow regardless of our small fan base.