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RE: Do the 2016 Approved Bowls Happen? Charleston, Austin & Melborne
After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.
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(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.
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(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.
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(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

AZ Bowl is tied to CUSA. That Sun Belt tie in is a backup, and it's not one we have to honor if something better is available.
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(12-10-2015 12:40 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

AZ Bowl is tied to CUSA. That Sun Belt tie in is a backup, and it's not one we have to honor if something better is available.

I know that CUSA has the tie but the Sunbelt with the backup would have fulfilled it if S. Alabama won.
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(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

For the long term the bowl has to get on ESPN or at least FS1 or it's going to go away. Casual fans turn on ESPN in late December and there's always a bowl game on. Casual fans are unlikely to spend 5-10 minutes searching the internet to find out which channel is carrying the Arizona Bowl.
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RE: Do the 2016 Approved Bowls Happen? Charleston, Austin & Melborne
(12-10-2015 12:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

For the long term the bowl has to get on ESPN or at least FS1 or it's going to go away. Casual fans turn on ESPN in late December and there's always a bowl game on. Casual fans are unlikely to spend 5-10 minutes searching the internet to find out which channel is carrying the Arizona Bowl.

You're talking 0.1% of mid-Dec bowl game viewers.

99.9% of people watching those games are fans of those two teams.
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(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

Back in our MWC days, I was as big of a proponent as you could find of having a post Christmas Bowl game in Arizona for a top MWC team. I have hated seeing #20 BYU (2006), #24 TCU (2006), #16 BYU (2007), #11 TCU (2008), #16 BYU (2008), #14 BYU (2009), #23 Utah (2009), #19 Utah (2010), #7 Boise (2011), #18 TCU (2011), #19 Boise (2012), #20 Fresno (2013), 10 win CSU (2014), 9 win Utah St (2014), 9 win Air Force (2014) and 10 win SDSU (2015) being relegated to pre-Christmas bowl games. They all deserved much better.

That said, signing up the Arizona Bowl without a television partner, quality opponent and any vision was NOT the solution. Unfortunately, ever since the realigment earthquake, it looks like Craig Thompson has no idea what he's doing anymore.

I feel like the MWC would have been better off negotiating a deal to send its #1/2 to either the Heart of Dallas or Armed Forces Bowl on a post Christmas Saturday afternoon or post Christmas weekday night to play #1/2 from the AAC, CUSA, MAC or Sun Belt. Instead, this mess happened.

I hope some things change because I would still love to see the top G5 teams featured in post Christmas Bowl (that are not on while we're at work) against either other top G5 teams or P5 #4s or bettter.
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(12-10-2015 03:56 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

Back in our MWC days, I was as big of a proponent as you could find of having a post Christmas Bowl game in Arizona for a top MWC team. I have hated seeing #20 BYU (2006), #24 TCU (2006), #16 BYU (2007), #11 TCU (2008), #16 BYU (2008), #14 BYU (2009), #23 Utah (2009), #19 Utah (2010), #7 Boise (2011), #18 TCU (2011), #19 Boise (2012), #20 Fresno (2013), 10 win CSU (2014), 9 win Utah St (2014), 9 win Air Force (2014) and 10 win SDSU (2015) being relegated to pre-Christmas bowl games. They all deserved much better.

That said, signing up the Arizona Bowl without a television partner, quality opponent and any vision was NOT the solution. Unfortunately, ever since the realigment earthquake, it looks like Craig Thompson has no idea what he's doing anymore.

I feel like the MWC would have been better off negotiating a deal to send its #1/2 to either the Heart of Dallas or Armed Forces Bowl on a post Christmas Saturday afternoon or post Christmas weekday night to play #1/2 from the AAC, CUSA, MAC or Sun Belt. Instead, this mess happened.

I hope some things change because I would still love to see the top G5 teams featured in post Christmas Bowl (that are not on while we're at work) against either other top G5 teams or P5 #4s or bettter.

It would be nice but until the MW fans actually travel like the P5 schools, not much can happen. I hope this AZ bowl does grow into get a higher opponent and become the #1 or #2 bowl. The Poinsettia isn't going to increase the pay to be the better bowl and because they are under the Holiday Bowl mgt, they won't be able to grow.
The CFP has changed the MW bowl situation because the bowl the MW champ is playing for is the Access Bowl and hopefully that is the case more times than not. Having a #1 bowl after the CFP with a good date and decent opponent would be gravy. Maybe in the next bowl cycle it'll happen.
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(12-10-2015 12:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  For the long term the bowl has to get on ESPN or at least FS1 or it's going to go away. Casual fans turn on ESPN in late December and there's always a bowl game on. Casual fans are unlikely to spend 5-10 minutes searching the internet to find out which channel is carrying the Arizona Bowl.
I'm bullish on American Sports Network. They're more of a syndicated sports programming service than a true network ala FS1, but their content often goes onto The CW or MyNetworkTV affiliates, or on digital substations of major network affiliates. Cord cutters still get this content, which makes it one of the few sports options available to a growing segment. For cable subscribers, ASN content generally goes onto channels 2-83, not channels in the hundreds or thousands like some of the specialized sports networks. Using my media market as an example, where the local cable monopoly puts FS1 at channel 401, the Arizona Bowl will be airing on channel 6.2 both OTA and on the cable channel lineup. That's some pretty good visibility.
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(12-10-2015 04:48 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 12:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  For the long term the bowl has to get on ESPN or at least FS1 or it's going to go away. Casual fans turn on ESPN in late December and there's always a bowl game on. Casual fans are unlikely to spend 5-10 minutes searching the internet to find out which channel is carrying the Arizona Bowl.
I'm bullish on American Sports Network. They're more of a syndicated sports programming service than a true network ala FS1, but their content often goes onto The CW or MyNetworkTV affiliates, or on digital substations of major network affiliates. Cord cutters still get this content, which makes it one of the few sports options available to a growing segment. For cable subscribers, ASN content generally goes onto channels 2-83, not channels in the hundreds or thousands like some of the specialized sports networks. Using my media market as an example, where the local cable monopoly puts FS1 at channel 401, the Arizona Bowl will be airing on channel 6.2 both OTA and on the cable channel lineup. That's some pretty good visibility.

According to the most recent clearance report it'll be on the main channel for Albany, NY.
Here is the list so far.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/csu/...ge_ASN.pdf

If there is a -# (like 2 or 3) that be shown on the digital sub-channel.
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(12-10-2015 05:14 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  According to the most recent clearance report it'll be on the main channel for Albany, NY.
Here is the list so far.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/csu/...ge_ASN.pdf

If there is a -# (like 2 or 3) that be shown on the digital sub-channel.
Well, this may undermine my point a bit. The schedule at http://americansportsnet.com/schedule/ said 6.2, but WCWN is cable channel 15/OTA channel 45.1. They're both owned by Sinclair and both carry ASN content. Either one is good exposure, but the confusion could be a problem if they're making late decisions between multiple channels.
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RE: Do the 2016 Approved Bowls Happen? Charleston, Austin & Melborne
(12-10-2015 12:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

For the long term the bowl has to get on ESPN or at least FS1 or it's going to go away. Casual fans turn on ESPN in late December and there's always a bowl game on. Casual fans are unlikely to spend 5-10 minutes searching the internet to find out which channel is carrying the Arizona Bowl.

You may be right, but we'll see how ASN and Campus Insiders does this year with the bowl game. It could be a dud or it could be much better than expected. Hopefully, CI is prepared to scale accordingly is there a good demand of streamers and it looks like they use the Livestream platform so they should be able to handle that as there have been Livestream events carrying millions of viewers at the same time.
A new trend could be set with the execution of this bowl. It'll be interesting to observe regardless.
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(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

The Arizona (or New Mexico) Bowl would be perfect for a second-tier Western conference like a WAC or Big West. But without that, there's really no conference that can pair with the MWC to provide an appropriate opponent that might bring more than 50 fans. Even a backup deal with the Western independents probably wouldn't work most years, because I can't imagine BYU being interested, and Idaho/New Mexico State, if they go indy, don't go to bowls much.
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Lets say there are more than 80 teams with more than 6 wins? This year happened to be a down year. The Big West, the WAC and MVC have messed up the bowl lineups when they dropped sponsoring football.
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(12-10-2015 05:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 12:25 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:29 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  
(12-10-2015 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  After seeing this year, I expect those bowls to back out...especially Austin.

Unless another network steps in to help out, I also expect the Arizona Bowl to close up shop after 1 year and probably the Bahamas Bowl too.

The Arizona Bowl may fold since the teams involved this year are unlikely to travel many fans. The locals are used to watching PAC 12 football and I doubt they are very interested. An Arizona newspaper stated that they really needed a couple of close schools like UNM and UTEP to be there because there would at least be a decent number of fans that would have an easy drive to Tucson. Not so for Nevada and CSU. I can't see Austin having much success either with a G5 bowl game unless one or more of the nearby Texas schools was involved.

Nah. The AZ bowl will be fine. The MW would have enough teams for fill on there end. Just happens that there were no at large Sunbelt teams this year.
I think the TV exposure will be surprisingly good when you are flipping through your local channels and see the game on. They (ASN) have lined up 125 stations coast to coast for the game.

The Arizona (or New Mexico) Bowl would be perfect for a second-tier Western conference like a WAC or Big West. But without that, there's really no conference that can pair with the MWC to provide an appropriate opponent that might bring more than 50 fans. Even a backup deal with the Western independents probably wouldn't work most years, because I can't imagine BYU being interested, and Idaho/New Mexico State, if they go indy, don't go to bowls much.

If UTEP's late fg vs LT had been good rather than a couple of feet to the left, UTEP would have likely been in the Arizona Bowl at 6-6. A good crowd of Miner fans would have made the 300 mile trip. If UNT, UTSA and UTEP can regularly have eligible teams, or 2 out of the 3, then the NM Bowl and Arizona Bowls get some attendance from them. My worry would be about the local support. A fan base in Tucson used to seeing PAC 12 football is not likely to embrace a bowl between lesser conference teams with 6-6 or 7-5 records. Close teams with traveling fan bases are needed. I hope I'm wrong and the bowl does well this year but it's not shaping up to have much of a crowd. A bowl like the Bahama Bowl, almost no crowd last year, still is supported by espn and the Bahama travel authority and really does not need a crowd to be viable.
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(12-11-2015 12:21 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  A bowl like the Bahama Bowl, almost no crowd last year, still is supported by espn and the Bahama travel authority and really does not need a crowd to be viable.
Quite ... its a game long Bahamas tourism commercial. Indeed, if they had a substantial crowd, by the standards of many bowls, they wouldn't have any place to put them.
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