http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college...64285.html

Another school that FBS conferences will want ahead of JMU due to our inaction. They'll be attractive to the MAC and AAC.

And the Mountain West Conference might be interested too.

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WSU leaving the MVC would might make Missouri State seriously consider the merits of Sun Belt membership. They'd be a long way from any other member in the MVC and the basketball product would take a hit.

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The MAC would be interested. And that could help you guys as they'd have to go to 13 to take them.

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This screams AAC/MWC to me though. Basically, if they move forward and they want to join the MAC, it helps you guys. If they move forward and don't join the MAC it most likely hurts you guys as it will likely result in two teams going FBS before you (Missouri State and Wichita State)

AAC for sure.

Wichita state had fbs football and dropped it in the mid 80s I believe. Excuse my ignorance, but is Wichita a big area?

The Wichita metro area has about 675,000 people. Some of the major small aircraft manufacturers have a large presence there (i.e., Cessna, Beechcraft, Leer).

Can't imagine AAC taking a startup football program, even if it has great basketball. Maybe if the basketball were MAC/CUSA/Sun Belt level and they needed a good team to give them a boost, but they're already pretty strong in that sport. I can't see them being all fired-up enthusiastic about hurting their football in the short and possibly mid-term. Plus if they really see themselves as being as close to, if not closer, to the P5 than the rest of the G5, then they'll never allow for the appearance of doing something that the Sun Belt and CUSA has done in the past few years.

http://webs.wichita.edu/dt/newsletter/sh...&AID=26454

"I believe inaction is the opposite of prudence. It's reckless. The time to move to higher ground is before the flood reaches your doorstep."

and later

"The second issue is football. There are two levels of football at which WSU might compete. The highest is the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) and the second is the Football Championship Subdivision (FCS). FBS football is much more costly than FCS. FCS has fewer scholarships (63 versus 85), and all other expenses are lower. The Missouri Valley Football Conference plays at the FCS level, while other surrounding conferences are FBS level.

Either level of football can help the university recruit students, provide on-campus experiences that promote the student's connections to the university community, and give alumni reasons to return to campus. Football at either level also gives the university weekend activities and events that create a sense of life on the campus during the critical early fall period when students are making decisions about where to go to college and at a time when freshmen make critical decisions regarding whether they are going to continue at the university.

A good FBS program can go further and have substantial impact on the community. Just look at the pride and excitement that has been generated by WSU basketball. FBS football can create a similar sense of place and provide quality activities so important to economic development. The costs associated with this level of play are substantial, but the benefits can be just as substantial for the whole Wichita community."

The Wichita president is over looking a third option pioneered at JMU, revenue prohibitive fcs football with a fbs price tag.

This third option makes a lot of sense and is very powerful when supported by an engaged annual game-day survey.

Wichita St had a football team for 91 seasons from 1895-1986 (no team in 1943):
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/discont.../index.php

(02-10-2016 07:13 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  The Wichita president is over looking a third option pioneered at JMU, revenue prohibitive fcs football with a fbs price tag.

This third option makes a lot of sense and is very powerful when supported by an engaged annual game-day survey.

Not funny...you are forgetting a more important source of support.... Our peers and the COA letter...get it straight man! :)

Let's not forget, they did this all without spending thousands of dollars on a consulting group to review their situation, give them rational reasoning and then forget the report ever happened.

(02-11-2016 09:23 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Let's not forget, they did this all without spending thousands of dollars on a consulting group to review their situation, give them rational reasoning and then forget the report ever happened.

In fairness, JMU hired the consulting group as cover for their assumed move to the mac. It really was never meant to be any kind of review. JMU really thought they were in. Any criticism should be leveled at JMU for being too naive to realize that UMass going all sports was not a done deal.

(02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Bogey Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 09:23 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Let's not forget, they did this all without spending thousands of dollars on a consulting group to review their situation, give them rational reasoning and then forget the report ever happened.

In fairness, JMU hired the consulting group as cover for their assumed move to the mac. It really was never meant to be any kind of review. JMU really thought they were in. Any criticism should be leveled at JMU for being too naive to realize that UMass going all sports was not a done deal.

Don't get me started...everyone who says JB is in the loop and has a grasp on the landscape need look no further for evidence to the contrary.

(02-11-2016 02:30 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Bogey Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 09:23 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Let's not forget, they did this all without spending thousands of dollars on a consulting group to review their situation, give them rational reasoning and then forget the report ever happened.

In fairness, JMU hired the consulting group as cover for their assumed move to the mac. It really was never meant to be any kind of review. JMU really thought they were in. Any criticism should be leveled at JMU for being too naive to realize that UMass going all sports was not a done deal.

Don't get me started...everyone who says JB is in the loop and has a grasp on the landscape need look no further for evidence to the contrary.

JB is the Marco Rubio of athletic directors. Programmed speech lines but no original thought.

(02-11-2016 02:53 PM)Bogey Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:30 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Bogey Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 09:23 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Let's not forget, they did this all without spending thousands of dollars on a consulting group to review their situation, give them rational reasoning and then forget the report ever happened.

In fairness, JMU hired the consulting group as cover for their assumed move to the mac. It really was never meant to be any kind of review. JMU really thought they were in. Any criticism should be leveled at JMU for being too naive to realize that UMass going all sports was not a done deal.

Don't get me started...everyone who says JB is in the loop and has a grasp on the landscape need look no further for evidence to the contrary.

JB is the Marco Rubio of athletic directors. Programmed speech lines but no original thought.

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Jeff Bourne doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

(02-11-2016 03:11 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:53 PM)Bogey Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:30 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 02:21 PM)Bogey Wrote:  

(02-11-2016 09:23 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Let's not forget, they did this all without spending thousands of dollars on a consulting group to review their situation, give them rational reasoning and then forget the report ever happened.

In fairness, JMU hired the consulting group as cover for their assumed move to the mac. It really was never meant to be any kind of review. JMU really thought they were in. Any criticism should be leveled at JMU for being too naive to realize that UMass going all sports was not a done deal.

Don't get me started...everyone who says JB is in the loop and has a grasp on the landscape need look no further for evidence to the contrary.

JB is the Marco Rubio of athletic directors. Programmed speech lines but no original thought.

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Jeff Bourne doesn't know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Ah man, you got me good with this. +1

WSU kicks the can further down the road. starting to look more and more like JMU with all the feasibility studies and consultants. A new $60k report released this week. http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/wic...93007.html

After reading that last article I am not concerned that WSU would jump ahead of JMU as a more attractive option for FBS conferences looking to expand.

Agreed. Way too risky with those #'s, and you put your cash cow bball program at risk.

(06-28-2016 01:45 PM)TXGiant Wrote:  After reading that last article I am not concerned that WSU would jump ahead of JMU as a more attractive option for FBS conferences looking to expand.

Given that they don't reside in a large market and aren't the premier flagship in their state, in addition to two current big 12 members likely not wanting them in Kansas and Kansas state, the only option for fbs was the mwc.
This is a conference that JMU wouldn't go to anyways. I don't see how this would've effected JMU anymore than the fact that there's yet another fbs team that isn't JMU.