(12-09-2015 11:18 AM)bluesox Wrote:  If the koch brothers put up some money it could happen fast. I just wonder if the state of Kansas could support 3 programs. Yet, if its MVC that could work out for everybody. I don't see what the problem is for the AAC to add Wichita and VCU without football right now either.

Why the ass would the American, which is in existence purely because of a split in a conference with basketball only members and football members, GO BACK TO FREAKIN' USING THAT SAME FORMAT!?

(12-09-2015 12:50 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Honestly, if Wichita St goes anywhere it would probably be to the AAC. Natural rival with Tulsa, peer-level basketball programs (Cincy, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, Temple). I wonder if the Sun Belt would accept Wichita St as a football only. Sun Belt and MAC basketball would be below Wichita St, and likely below the MVC as a whole.

I don't see any scenario at this point where the SBC accepts another FB only member. The votes are just not there.

(12-09-2015 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:50 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Honestly, if Wichita St goes anywhere it would probably be to the AAC. Natural rival with Tulsa, peer-level basketball programs (Cincy, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, Temple). I wonder if the Sun Belt would accept Wichita St as a football only. Sun Belt and MAC basketball would be below Wichita St, and likely below the MVC as a whole.

What's in it for the Belt if we took WSU as a football only? They'd only stay if they sucked. No point in taking them. We already have 12. We already have 2 spares hanging out there with UMass and EKU.

Basketball scheduling considerations?

Than we could have just added UMass, they offered basketball scheduling considerations.

Edit, I know UMass isn't to the caliber of Wichita State...but the thing is, there is a big movement within the Sun Belt right now to dump all of the football only's. Even if it means a 10 team league and no CCG. What most of you are forgetting is that outside of Little Rock, UTA, and Georgia State, the Sun Belt is a football league. There are several schools that put almost no money into basketball because it's not popular within the fan base. There are schools that average less than 1000 basketball fans per game.

Logically, the best move for the league is the best All sports member possible. No one is going to bring a startup football program in for a football only when their basketball program is elite. They'll either bring the basketball, or they'll find another FBS league to suck in for a few years.

(12-09-2015 07:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think there is a reason why Wichita State approached MWC first is because MWC does not have any private schools. There is something going on in the MVC that makes it look like they are unstable right now. Look who MVC brought in to replace Creighton? A schools that is very sorry in basketball. North Dakota State would have been better for the MVC. The school that got invited does not have football. There was a reason why the MVFC was in talks with the WAC about a football merger only at the FBS level. It sounds like the football schools are not happy with the none-football schools.

Sure Wichita State can approach the MWC but the MWC would need a second school to move to pair with Wichita and I don't think Missouri State would satisfy the MWC.

CUSA sounds to me the way to go for WSU. They've been willing to take starter football programs in the past that play good football. Charlotte and Old Dominion come to mind. They could even package the addition with Missouri State if they like to build up the West division. The SBC I think would also be a buyer in the WSU market but its less preferred then getting into CUSA.

If there is some realignment down the road down the road and a school like Tulsa or SMU becomes available to the MWC that is when you make a move to go after Wichita State but not before that.

I was thinking Wichita State in for all sports and BYU football only. This would give MWC an even number for basketball.

(12-09-2015 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:50 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Honestly, if Wichita St goes anywhere it would probably be to the AAC. Natural rival with Tulsa, peer-level basketball programs (Cincy, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, Temple). I wonder if the Sun Belt would accept Wichita St as a football only. Sun Belt and MAC basketball would be below Wichita St, and likely below the MVC as a whole.

What's in it for the Belt if we took WSU as a football only? They'd only stay if they sucked. No point in taking them. We already have 12. We already have 2 spares hanging out there with UMass and EKU.

Basketball scheduling considerations?

Than we could have just added UMass, they offered basketball scheduling considerations.

Edit, I know UMass isn't to the caliber of Wichita State...but the thing is, there is a big movement within the Sun Belt right now to dump all of the football only's. Even if it means a 10 team league and no CCG. What most of you are forgetting is that outside of Little Rock, UTA, and Georgia State, the Sun Belt is a football league. There are several schools that put almost no money into basketball because it's not popular within the fan base. There are schools that average less than 1000 basketball fans per game.

Logically, the best move for the league is the best All sports member possible. No one is going to bring a startup football program in for a football only when their basketball program is elite. They'll either bring the basketball, or they'll find another FBS league to suck in for a few years.

Texas State is out there on an island as well. Lamar could help fill the gap. The Sun Belt wanted La. Tech back. If they wanted a 3rd Louisiana school? Why not a Jacksonville State or a Central Arkansas? We also have a former MVC school out in Texas that have a stadium that could be FBS level that just needs a little work on and that is West Texas A&M. West Texas A&M does have something that could be attractive to an FBS conference? They do have a tv market in the Amarillo market. I do see that they do sponsor enough men and women's sports to be D1 anyways. Just add another women's sport to cover the extra scholarships for football.

(12-09-2015 08:59 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 11:18 AM)bluesox Wrote:  If the koch brothers put up some money it could happen fast. I just wonder if the state of Kansas could support 3 programs. Yet, if its MVC that could work out for everybody. I don't see what the problem is for the AAC to add Wichita and VCU without football right now either.

Why the ass would the American, which is in existence purely because of a split in a conference with basketball only members and football members, GO BACK TO FREAKIN' USING THAT SAME FORMAT!?

People say that in such knee jerk fashion without thinking. The old Big East had 8 non-football members and 8 all-sports members. That's an ENTIRELY different dynamic than having 12 all-sports members and 2 non-football members.

(12-09-2015 07:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  happy with the none-football schools.

CUSA sounds to me the way to go for WSU. They've been willing to take starter football programs in the past that play good football. Charlotte and Old Dominion come to mind. They could even package the addition with Missouri State if they like to build up the West division. The SBC I think would also be a buyer in the WSU market but its less preferred then getting into CUSA.

This would have worked better for C-USA had they not lost Tulsa. I know it isn't very far in absolute terms from Denton (North Texas) to Wichita or Springfield, but having a school in a contiguous state (other than Missouri/Tennessee) would have helped.

The Sun Belt can offer Missouri State two schools in Arkansas, and if Missouri State gets reeled in, Wichita State becomes obtainable.

(12-09-2015 11:02 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 07:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  happy with the none-football schools.

CUSA sounds to me the way to go for WSU. They've been willing to take starter football programs in the past that play good football. Charlotte and Old Dominion come to mind. They could even package the addition with Missouri State if they like to build up the West division. The SBC I think would also be a buyer in the WSU market but its less preferred then getting into CUSA.

This would have worked better for C-USA had they not lost Tulsa. I know it isn't very far in absolute terms from Denton (North Texas) to Wichita or Springfield, but having a school in a contiguous state (other than Missouri/Tennessee) would have helped.

The Sun Belt can offer Missouri State two schools in Arkansas, and if Missouri State gets reeled in, Wichita State becomes obtainable.

Yes a bid to the Sun Belt does have more geography continuity for Wichita State.

The bottom line for the SBC is that its where they put you when you can't get into anything else. Old Dominion did have ECU when it made the decision to head to CUSA but largely why it skipped a MAC offer was the idea that CUSA was more of a destination conference for a school in Virginia.

Sorry but the AAC isn't interested in startup football teams... Football FBS ready bring far less headaches.

I much rather AAC go after additional northeastern presence if realignment spoke AAC $$$ language.

(12-09-2015 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:50 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Honestly, if Wichita St goes anywhere it would probably be to the AAC. Natural rival with Tulsa, peer-level basketball programs (Cincy, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, Temple). I wonder if the Sun Belt would accept Wichita St as a football only. Sun Belt and MAC basketball would be below Wichita St, and likely below the MVC as a whole.

What's in it for the Belt if we took WSU as a football only? They'd only stay if they sucked. No point in taking them. We already have 12. We already have 2 spares hanging out there with UMass and EKU.

Basketball scheduling considerations?

Wichita State isn't going to schedule 12 games with Sun Belt teams. Throwing 2 or 3 games in OOC really isn't going to move the needle IMHO.

And why does anyone think that WSU football will be any better than Idaho or NMSU?

Besides, we're not some dumping ground for teams no one else wants. Heck, the fifth place team in the Belt beat the MWC champion at their place.

If WSU wishes to apply for membership to the Sun Belt Conference, we will certainly evaluate their application. But unless they're willing to bring everything to the Belt, I see no point in taking them.

It might not be better (though it would be really hard to be worse). Regardless of its quality, it would most certainly be closer to the other SB members than Idaho. Maybe they get the same renewable deal as Idaho. That would give the SB an opportunity to see how well the new Wichita program is supported financially--as well as its level of fan support.

Idaho is already FBS. We have a replacement ready with EKU.

If WSU wants to go in all sports with the Belt, we should consider them. Otherwise, I'm in favor of hanging with the Vandals until someone better (closer) wants to come in with all sports.

I'd seriously consider bringing EKU in for all sports, taking NMSU in all sports and thanking Idaho for their participation. I'm much less interested in bring in another football only.

(12-09-2015 10:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 08:59 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Why the ass would the American, which is in existence purely because of a split in a conference with basketball only members and football members, GO BACK TO FREAKIN' USING THAT SAME FORMAT!?

People say that in such knee jerk fashion without thinking. The old Big East had 8 non-football members and 8 all-sports members. That's an ENTIRELY different dynamic than having 12 all-sports members and 2 non-football members.

That's true in general, but it feels a lot more secure against the problems of the old Big East if the Olympic-sports only school(s) match the number of FB-only schools ... because if you are already 12/13, then adding another Olympic-sports-only school is "just one more add", but you are on a slippery slope toward the old Big East imbalance.

(12-10-2015 12:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 07:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  What's in it for the Belt if we took WSU as a football only? They'd only stay if they sucked. No point in taking them. We already have 12. We already have 2 spares hanging out there with UMass and EKU.

Basketball scheduling considerations?

Wichita State isn't going to schedule 12 games with Sun Belt teams. Throwing 2 or 3 games in OOC really isn't going to move the needle IMHO.

And why does anyone think that WSU football will be any better than Idaho or NMSU?

Besides, we're not some dumping ground for teams no one else wants. Heck, the fifth place team in the Belt beat the MWC champion at their place.

If WSU wishes to apply for membership to the Sun Belt Conference, we will certainly evaluate their application. But unless they're willing to bring everything to the Belt, I see no point in taking them.

It might not be better (though it would be really hard to be worse). Regardless of its quality, it would most certainly be closer to the other SB members than Idaho. Maybe they get the same renewable deal as Idaho. That would give the SB an opportunity to see how well the new Wichita program is supported financially--as well as its level of fan support.

Idaho is already FBS. We have a replacement ready with EKU.

If WSU wants to go in all sports with the Belt, we should consider them. Otherwise, I'm in favor of hanging with the Vandals until someone better (closer) wants to come in with all sports.

I'd seriously consider bringing EKU in for all sports, taking NMSU in all sports and thanking Idaho for their participation. I'm much less interested in bring in another football only.

Wichita State stays in the MVC.

(12-09-2015 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:50 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  Honestly, if Wichita St goes anywhere it would probably be to the AAC. Natural rival with Tulsa, peer-level basketball programs (Cincy, Memphis, Tulsa, SMU, UConn, Temple). I wonder if the Sun Belt would accept Wichita St as a football only. Sun Belt and MAC basketball would be below Wichita St, and likely below the MVC as a whole.

What's in it for the Belt if we took WSU as a football only? They'd only stay if they sucked. No point in taking them. We already have 12. We already have 2 spares hanging out there with UMass and EKU.

Basketball scheduling considerations?

Than we could have just added UMass, they offered basketball scheduling considerations.

Edit, I know UMass isn't to the caliber of Wichita State...but the thing is, there is a big movement within the Sun Belt right now to dump all of the football only's. Even if it means a 10 team league and no CCG. What most of you are forgetting is that outside of Little Rock, UTA, and Georgia State, the Sun Belt is a football league. There are several schools that put almost no money into basketball because it's not popular within the fan base. There are schools that average less than 1000 basketball fans per game.

Logically, the best move for the league is the best All sports member possible. No one is going to bring a startup football program in for a football only when their basketball program is elite. They'll either bring the basketball, or they'll find another FBS league to suck in for a few years.

Texas State is out there on an island as well. Lamar could help fill the gap. The Sun Belt wanted La. Tech back. If they wanted a 3rd Louisiana school? Why not a Jacksonville State or a Central Arkansas? We also have a former MVC school out in Texas that have a stadium that could be FBS level that just needs a little work on and that is West Texas A&M. West Texas A&M does have something that could be attractive to an FBS conference? They do have a tv market in the Amarillo market. I do see that they do sponsor enough men and women's sports to be D1 anyways. Just add another women's sport to cover the extra scholarships for football.

For someone who supposedly roots for Arkansas Tech, who is supposed to be UCA's biggest rival, you seem to not know much about the Bears in General. This is a program that is an absolute mess financially after a president got caught embezzling. They have struggled to compete in 95 percent of the non football sports they play in at the D1 level, outside of NCAA year in baseball. They play in a tiny football stadium, with no real room to expand. Not to mention there is no way in hades Arkansas State would ever allow UCA to get to FBS through the SBC.

Jacksonville State could get into the SBC, but they are basically stuck right now because Troy and South Alabama have no interest in bringing up a 6th FBS school in the state of Alabama. Now, if one of those teams was to ever bolt in the future...sure. But not now.

Lamar has tried to get into the SBC for years, but the bottom line is the league is tired of raiding the Southland for teams.

If the SBC expands at all in the future, the likely schools to get an invite would be Eastern Kentucky and Missouri State.

(12-09-2015 11:18 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 11:02 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 07:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  happy with the none-football schools.

CUSA sounds to me the way to go for WSU. They've been willing to take starter football programs in the past that play good football. Charlotte and Old Dominion come to mind. They could even package the addition with Missouri State if they like to build up the West division. The SBC I think would also be a buyer in the WSU market but its less preferred then getting into CUSA.

This would have worked better for C-USA had they not lost Tulsa. I know it isn't very far in absolute terms from Denton (North Texas) to Wichita or Springfield, but having a school in a contiguous state (other than Missouri/Tennessee) would have helped.

The Sun Belt can offer Missouri State two schools in Arkansas, and if Missouri State gets reeled in, Wichita State becomes obtainable.

Yes a bid to the Sun Belt does have more geography continuity for Wichita State.

The bottom line for the SBC is that its where they put you when you can't get into anything else. Old Dominion did have ECU when it made the decision to head to CUSA but largely why it skipped a MAC offer was the idea that CUSA was more of a destination conference for a school in Virginia.

Which is completely not the reason the SBC started football, and it's a perception that badly needs to change.

We've had that perception ever since the WAC made a public attempt to kill the league in 03 and 04. The conference held on because North Texas, ULL, and Arkansas State jointly turned down WAC bids. To survive, the league had to dip into FCS and pull in a bunch of different programs that turned us into a hodge podge of a league. The reality is that many of the Schools in the league are pretty darn good now...but because we've been poached so many times, the perception is that we're the leftovers no one wanted.

I'd love to drop Idaho and NMSU, but there's a lot of history there, and they provide a temporary number to get to 12 until some other targets are ready, so it works fine for me.

(12-10-2015 01:53 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 09:51 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 09:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:52 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 03:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  What's in it for the Belt if we took WSU as a football only? They'd only stay if they sucked. No point in taking them. We already have 12. We already have 2 spares hanging out there with UMass and EKU.

Basketball scheduling considerations?

Than we could have just added UMass, they offered basketball scheduling considerations.

Edit, I know UMass isn't to the caliber of Wichita State...but the thing is, there is a big movement within the Sun Belt right now to dump all of the football only's. Even if it means a 10 team league and no CCG. What most of you are forgetting is that outside of Little Rock, UTA, and Georgia State, the Sun Belt is a football league. There are several schools that put almost no money into basketball because it's not popular within the fan base. There are schools that average less than 1000 basketball fans per game.

Logically, the best move for the league is the best All sports member possible. No one is going to bring a startup football program in for a football only when their basketball program is elite. They'll either bring the basketball, or they'll find another FBS league to suck in for a few years.

Texas State is out there on an island as well. Lamar could help fill the gap. The Sun Belt wanted La. Tech back. If they wanted a 3rd Louisiana school? Why not a Jacksonville State or a Central Arkansas? We also have a former MVC school out in Texas that have a stadium that could be FBS level that just needs a little work on and that is West Texas A&M. West Texas A&M does have something that could be attractive to an FBS conference? They do have a tv market in the Amarillo market. I do see that they do sponsor enough men and women's sports to be D1 anyways. Just add another women's sport to cover the extra scholarships for football.

For someone who supposedly roots for Arkansas Tech, who is supposed to be UCA's biggest rival, you seem to not know much about the Bears in General. This is a program that is an absolute mess financially after a president got caught embezzling. They have struggled to compete in 95 percent of the non football sports they play in at the D1 level, outside of NCAA year in baseball. They play in a tiny football stadium, with no real room to expand. Not to mention there is no way in hades Arkansas State would ever allow UCA to get to FBS through the SBC.

Jacksonville State could get into the SBC, but they are basically stuck right now because Troy and South Alabama have no interest in bringing up a 6th FBS school in the state of Alabama. Now, if one of those teams was to ever bolt in the future...sure. But not now.

Lamar has tried to get into the SBC for years, but the bottom line is the league is tired of raiding the Southland for teams.

If the SBC expands at all in the future, the likely schools to get an invite would be Eastern Kentucky and Missouri State.

Lamar was a former Sun Belt Conference school. The only three possible schools that could rejoin the Sun Belt are Jacksonville if they give out scholarships, VCU restarting football and Lamar who wants FBS.
It is not really raiding the Southland if you invite a former member back.

Wichita State would never ever join the Sun Belt. I don't think they will join C-USA, and the AAC could be picked apart. The only option for them is MWC.

(12-10-2015 02:00 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 11:18 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 11:02 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 07:27 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 04:14 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  happy with the none-football schools.

CUSA sounds to me the way to go for WSU. They've been willing to take starter football programs in the past that play good football. Charlotte and Old Dominion come to mind. They could even package the addition with Missouri State if they like to build up the West division. The SBC I think would also be a buyer in the WSU market but its less preferred then getting into CUSA.

This would have worked better for C-USA had they not lost Tulsa. I know it isn't very far in absolute terms from Denton (North Texas) to Wichita or Springfield, but having a school in a contiguous state (other than Missouri/Tennessee) would have helped.

The Sun Belt can offer Missouri State two schools in Arkansas, and if Missouri State gets reeled in, Wichita State becomes obtainable.

Yes a bid to the Sun Belt does have more geography continuity for Wichita State.

The bottom line for the SBC is that its where they put you when you can't get into anything else. Old Dominion did have ECU when it made the decision to head to CUSA but largely why it skipped a MAC offer was the idea that CUSA was more of a destination conference for a school in Virginia.

Which is completely not the reason the SBC started football, and it's a perception that badly needs to change.

We've had that perception ever since the WAC made a public attempt to kill the league in 03 and 04. The conference held on because North Texas, ULL, and Arkansas State jointly turned down WAC bids. To survive, the league had to dip into FCS and pull in a bunch of different programs that turned us into a hodge podge of a league. The reality is that many of the Schools in the league are pretty darn good now...but because we've been poached so many times, the perception is that we're the leftovers no one wanted.

I'd love to drop Idaho and NMSU, but there's a lot of history there, and they provide a temporary number to get to 12 until some other targets are ready, so it works fine for me.

If the reason your moving to FBS is to increase your stature in football like Southern and Appy did then the SBC is a perfectly acceptable place to play.

Wichita State is doing what I consider the "classic" reason to add an FBS program. They are starting a football program so they can get into a better basketball conference.

Buffalo couldn't get into the MAC without FBS football so they started it.

UNLV wouldn't have received a MWC invite without football.

Temple couldn't have received a bid to rejoin the Big East/AAC without a decision to keep the football program going.

For this reason I don't think Wichita State would accept a downgrade of its basketball conference by joining the SBC purely for a move to FBS. They are benchmarking their athletic program with Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis. Think bigger. The AAC, MWC preferred or CUSA as a low hanging fruit.

CUSA with WKU, UAB, ODU and Charlotte in that conference feels more national than the MVC on the basketball front. CUSA might be open to making a space for Wichita State where the AAC/MWC might be less interested. Aresco said he has zero interest in going down the non-football road again.

MWC travel isn't too much worse than CUSA. I'd be surprised if they would allow a non-football school though. FBS conferences generally avoid adding non-football schools.

(12-10-2015 03:47 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  For this reason I don't think Wichita State would accept a downgrade of its basketball conference by joining the SBC purely for a move to FBS.

Bearing in mind that UMass, a BBall-first school with much less recent BBall success, turned down using an open option to join the MAC all-sports ... a substantially better BBall conference than the Sunbelt ...
... the notion that Wichita State would join Sunbelt BBall seems implausible enough to take off of the table.

I need to rephrase my last post.

Lamar, Jacksonville and VCU were former Sun Belt Conference members. If VCU restarts football, Jacksonville gives out scholarships, Lamar moves up, and Missouri State joins for all sports? Than boot out Idaho and New Mexico State.


Football East Sun Belt:
Appalachian State
VCU
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Troy
South Alabama
Jacksonville/North Florida if they start football.
Coastal Carolina

Sun Belt Football west:
La.-Monroe
La-Lafayette
Arkansas State
Lamar
Missouri State
Texas State

If Little Rock and UTA restarts football? Both Louisiana schools could slide to the east.

Sun Belt Basketball East:
VCU
Appalachian State
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Jacksonville
Coastal Carolina
Troy
South Alabama

Sun Belt West:
Little Rock
Arkansas State
La-Lafayette
Lamar
UTA
Missouri State
Texas State
La._monroe


That could make a 14 football and 16 basketball conference.

(12-09-2015 10:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 08:59 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 11:18 AM)bluesox Wrote:  If the koch brothers put up some money it could happen fast. I just wonder if the state of Kansas could support 3 programs. Yet, if its MVC that could work out for everybody. I don't see what the problem is for the AAC to add Wichita and VCU without football right now either.

Why the ass would the American, which is in existence purely because of a split in a conference with basketball only members and football members, GO BACK TO FREAKIN' USING THAT SAME FORMAT!?

People say that in such knee jerk fashion without thinking. The old Big East had 8 non-football members and 8 all-sports members. That's an ENTIRELY different dynamic than having 12 all-sports members and 2 non-football members.

The only reason it MIGHT consider it in ANY combination of numbers is that the conference is now largely comprised of schools who weren't there to have to deal with the issues it created. I get that 2 out of 12 isn't 8 out of 16, but you'd think the league offices would be weary to pull the trigger and go back to that regardless.

Sorry, I'm very late to the party and I didn't read the thread.


But it's this simple: WSU with FBS football should be in whatever conference Tulsa is in.
It really is just that simple.


They used to be rivals, in the same conference. Then WSU dropped football while Tulsa kept it.