(01-29-2016 11:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 09:34 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 06:40 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 05:36 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 01:40 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A report is circulating that Chicago St needs an emergency allocation of $25 mill from the Illinois legislature, or it will close on March 1st for lack of operating funds.

If they close, would they have to forfeit all their remaining basketball games? How would that affect the WAC?

Illinois has real problem a gov who thinks Illinois is a hedge fund.
His ability to destroy Illinois especially higher ed is great.
He is like his idiot friends in wisconsin and michigan (who allows the city of flint to drink water fall of lead)

Keep the politics to the Spin Room and my state out of your mouth because you don't have a clue what really happened.

Sad part is that some of this does ties into politics. Many states that have governors slash the budget of education including research money. Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Louisiana and so forth are having schools in trouble with less money coming into the schools. This is why many schools are being merged lately like in Texas, Georgia and Indiana as we speak. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and some other states are thinking of doing it as well. To save Chicago State? Why not merged it with Northern Illinois? Rename the school as Northern Illinois-Chicago. Roll the sports from Chicago State to be part of Northern Illinois.

Because Northern Illinois University is located in DeKalb and the University of Illinois-Chicago is located in the city of Chicago. NIU is a rural school and UIC is a metropolitan university. UIC is growing and will be a powerhouse university.

To place the question in a North Carolina context- you would be asking East Carolina and North Carolina State to merge.

Something that may not have been touched on in this thread is how many of the Illinois surrounding states have agreements that allow students to move between borders and pay in-state tuition. Illinois is not part of this agreement.

Many students in the Chicago area choose to attend schools all over the nation. In my area, we have locals attending Kansas, Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue, Arizona State, etc... Many times, the costs are similar to attending local state schools.

This is not unusual. While attending East Carolina, I met a large number of young people from PA and NJ who wanted a large school experience and found the costs of attending ECU less expensive than attending schools in their area.

(12-22-2015 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  In another example of the Illinois budget crisis affecting education, Illinois high schools recently voted to switch from the ACT to SAT college entrance exams.

The move is expected to save $1.4M over 3 years, but messes with a long established tradition that says Midwest states must take the ACT and the SAT is for those elitist snobby states.

Of course in reality all states have their share of snobs, but still Illinois is messing with something that is strongly associated with Midwest culture and I feel strangely upset about this.

Growing up in North Carolina, we used the SAT and not the ACT. Additionally, the state did not pay for our exam. Each student scheduled their test and paid for it on their own.

Having the state schedule and pay for the ACT (or SAT) was a surprise to me when I moved to IL.

(12-23-2015 03:22 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-22-2015 12:12 PM)goofus Wrote:  In another example of the Illinois budget crisis affecting education, Illinois high schools recently voted to switch from the ACT to SAT college entrance exams.

The move is expected to save $1.4M over 3 years, but messes with a long established tradition that says Midwest states must take the ACT and the SAT is for those elitist snobby states.

Of course in reality all states have their share of snobs, but still Illinois is messing with something that is strongly associated with Midwest culture and I feel strangely upset about this.

Why would the SAT be cheaper?

The only thing I know about the SAT is that it penalizes guessing. Or it did at one time, maybe they changed that.

My guess (and it is a guess) is that the state of Illinois requires students to take the exam and the local school districts pay for it. Negotiating that kind of requirement could create some opportunities for the odd exam for the area (SAT).

chess, that question was definitively answered a pages ago.

(01-30-2016 12:04 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  chess, that question was definitively answered a pages ago.

I can only read so much of the NIU/IL State arguments.

(01-30-2016 11:43 AM)chess Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 09:34 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 06:40 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 05:36 AM)goofus Wrote:  If they close, would they have to forfeit all their remaining basketball games? How would that affect the WAC?

Illinois has real problem a gov who thinks Illinois is a hedge fund.
His ability to destroy Illinois especially higher ed is great.
He is like his idiot friends in wisconsin and michigan (who allows the city of flint to drink water fall of lead)

Keep the politics to the Spin Room and my state out of your mouth because you don't have a clue what really happened.

Sad part is that some of this does ties into politics. Many states that have governors slash the budget of education including research money. Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Louisiana and so forth are having schools in trouble with less money coming into the schools. This is why many schools are being merged lately like in Texas, Georgia and Indiana as we speak. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and some other states are thinking of doing it as well. To save Chicago State? Why not merged it with Northern Illinois? Rename the school as Northern Illinois-Chicago. Roll the sports from Chicago State to be part of Northern Illinois.

Because Northern Illinois University is located in DeKalb and the University of Illinois-Chicago is located in the city of Chicago. NIU is a rural school and UIC is a metropolitan university. UIC is growing and will be a powerhouse university.

To place the question in a North Carolina context- you would be asking East Carolina and North Carolina State to merge.

You really just compared UIC to UNC? Hooooo boy...

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chess, it's post #223

(01-30-2016 11:49 AM)chess Wrote:  Something that may not have been touched on in this thread is how many of the Illinois surrounding states have agreements that allow students to move between borders and pay in-state tuition. Illinois is not part of this agreement.

Many students in the Chicago area choose to attend schools all over the nation. In my area, we have locals attending Kansas, Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue, Arizona State, etc... Many times, the costs are similar to attending local state schools.

This is not unusual. While attending East Carolina, I met a large number of young people from PA and NJ who wanted a large school experience and found the costs of attending ECU less expensive than attending schools in their area.

That is why the state lawmakers are concern and that they think they need another public in the P5 conference to help combat that issue of losing kids to other states. Sadly, they are looking at Southern Illinois-Edwardsville who is not even close to even start a football program. Northern Illinois is the only one that is ready for a P5 invite, plus, they need to give Northern Illinois more money to get them to a tier 1 research institution to accomplace that.

(01-29-2016 03:06 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 02:10 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 01:16 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 05:36 AM)goofus Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 01:40 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A report is circulating that Chicago St needs an emergency allocation of $25 mill from the Illinois legislature, or it will close on March 1st for lack of operating funds.

If they close, would they have to forfeit all their remaining basketball games? How would that affect the WAC?

I assume that would be the case. As far as the WAC is concerned, it means the conference would drop to seven full members - the bare minimum required for an automatic bid in basketball.

Is this the last year of Grand Canyon's transition? Otherwise the WAC would be on probation if Chicago St closes.

Grand Canyon has two more years of transition after this.

This is GCU's 3rd year of transition. They will be eligible for the 2018 NCAA tournament (17-18 season).

(01-30-2016 12:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 11:49 AM)chess Wrote:  Something that may not have been touched on in this thread is how many of the Illinois surrounding states have agreements that allow students to move between borders and pay in-state tuition. Illinois is not part of this agreement.

Many students in the Chicago area choose to attend schools all over the nation. In my area, we have locals attending Kansas, Missouri, South Carolina, Kentucky, Indiana, Purdue, Arizona State, etc... Many times, the costs are similar to attending local state schools.

This is not unusual. While attending East Carolina, I met a large number of young people from PA and NJ who wanted a large school experience and found the costs of attending ECU less expensive than attending schools in their area.

That is why the state lawmakers are concern and that they think they need another public in the P5 conference to help combat that issue of losing kids to other states. Sadly, they are looking at Southern Illinois-Edwardsville who is not even close to even start a football program. Northern Illinois is the only one that is ready for a P5 invite, plus, they need to give Northern Illinois more money to get them to a tier 1 research institution to accomplace that.

DavidSt, (I think) you are mixing up an ill-informed politician musing that Illinois should have a second state university in the Big Ten with the educational mission of state universities in Illinois.

(01-30-2016 12:21 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(01-30-2016 11:43 AM)chess Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 11:11 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 09:34 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(01-29-2016 06:40 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  Illinois has real problem a gov who thinks Illinois is a hedge fund.
His ability to destroy Illinois especially higher ed is great.
He is like his idiot friends in wisconsin and michigan (who allows the city of flint to drink water fall of lead)

Keep the politics to the Spin Room and my state out of your mouth because you don't have a clue what really happened.

Sad part is that some of this does ties into politics. Many states that have governors slash the budget of education including research money. Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, Louisiana and so forth are having schools in trouble with less money coming into the schools. This is why many schools are being merged lately like in Texas, Georgia and Indiana as we speak. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and some other states are thinking of doing it as well. To save Chicago State? Why not merged it with Northern Illinois? Rename the school as Northern Illinois-Chicago. Roll the sports from Chicago State to be part of Northern Illinois.

Because Northern Illinois University is located in DeKalb and the University of Illinois-Chicago is located in the city of Chicago. NIU is a rural school and UIC is a metropolitan university. UIC is growing and will be a powerhouse university.

To place the question in a North Carolina context- you would be asking East Carolina and North Carolina State to merge.

You really just compared UIC to UNC? Hooooo boy...

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I referred to North Carolina- the state. East Carolina and NC State are roughly the same distance from each other as Northern Illinois University and the University of Illinois-Chicago.