(12-08-2015 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Yeah I thought WKU was one of the better additions to the conference.

Then their little fan base happened.

They remind me of when UCF's balls dropped several years ago. Total n00bs.

THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Nah. Even basketball schools can catch lightning in a football bottle every once in a while.

Give the administration kudos for making an outstanding chess move with Petrino that got them Brohm. You have to tip your hat for that move as it looked pretty bad originally. If Brohm stays then everything we say here may be rendered moot. If he leaves then we'll just have to let time tell if your statement holds any merit or not.

The idea that they compete right away in C-USA means nothing as to the quality of the league. You're drawing causation from correlation which never has been proven to be true. On the time and space continuum it wouldn't have mattered if wkcc was in C-USA or the Sun Belt and maybe even the AAC this year they were going to ***** slap people either way.

Interestingly, last year, a team in their 2nd year of transition from FCS to FBS finished 8-0 in the SBC and another move up from FCS to FBS finished 6-2. That 8-0 team couldn't even play in the SBC's Bowl game. What does that say about the teams left in the SBC?

What has happened here is some of the CUSA old boys are pissy a new team from a lower league has come in this conference and essentially run it from top to bottom. When tulsa, houston, louisville, cincy, memphis, tulane were all in the conference they were having a field day pounding the other CUSA teams. When they left for bigger and better things, the remaining schools thought, "yes! finally we have a shot in the conference" So, when a sun belt team comes in a dominates the conference in many different sports with several championships - they tend to not like that. "You havent earned your stripes to talk trash" is on of many ludocris comments I have seen. Face it boys, you were the bottom dwellers of CUSA for an eternity. When the big boys left you believed it was your time in the sun. WKU has put an eclipse on said sun and you have chosen to revert to high school name calling and attendance smack. Its all good, just know WKU is here to stay and we aint going anywhere anytime soon - in any sport. Its what we do. We enter a conference and run it. So get in line or start competing becuase talking trash about us will only bring fuel to the fire. I love this conference and was as excited about it as any team accompishment when we joined - just didnt know it was full of this many crybabies and sore losers. You all must have been the inventors of the Upward sports - "everyone gets a trophy and nobody is allowed to be mean to anybody, ya hear!"

(12-08-2015 03:30 PM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  What has happened here is some of the CUSA old boys are pissy a new team from a lower league has come in this conference and essentially run it from top to bottom. When tulsa, houston, louisville, cincy, memphis, tulane were all in the conference they were having a field day pounding the other CUSA teams. When they left for bigger and better things, the remaining schools thought, "yes! finally we have a shot in the conference" So, when a sun belt team comes in a dominates the conference in many different sports with several championships - they tend to not like that. "You havent earned your stripes to talk trash" is on of many ludocris comments I have seen. Face it boys, you were the bottom dwellers of CUSA for an eternity. When the big boys left you believed it was your time in the sun. WKU has put an eclipse on said sun and you have chosen to revert to high school name calling and attendance smack. Its all good, just know WKU is here to stay and we aint going anywhere anytime soon - in any sport. Its what we do. We enter a conference and run it. So get in line or start competing becuase talking trash about us will only bring fuel to the fire. I love this conference and was as excited about it as any team accompishment when we joined - just didnt know it was full of this many crybabies and sore losers. You all must have been the inventors of the Upward sports - "everyone gets a trophy and nobody is allowed to be mean to anybody, ya hear!"

....and this is a prime example of why many don't like us on here. I'm sure that's what you were doing right? Providing an example of what they've been saying? If so, much appreciated.

(12-08-2015 03:25 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Yeah I thought WKU was one of the better additions to the conference.

Then their little fan base happened.

They remind me of when UCF's balls dropped several years ago. Total n00bs.

THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Nah. Even basketball schools can catch lightning in a football bottle every once in a while.

Give the administration kudos for making an outstanding chess move with Petrino that got them Brohm. You have to tip your hat for that move as it looked pretty bad originally. If Brohm stays then everything we say here may be rendered moot. If he leaves then we'll just have to let time tell if your statement holds any merit or not.

The idea that they compete right away in C-USA means nothing as to the quality of the league. You're drawing causation from correlation which never has been proven to be true. On the time and space continuum it wouldn't have mattered if wkcc was in C-USA or the Sun Belt and maybe even the AAC this year they were going to ***** slap people either way.

Interestingly, last year, a team in their 2nd year of transition from FCS to FBS finished 8-0 in the SBC and another move up from FCS to FBS finished 6-2. That 8-0 team couldn't even play in the SBC's Bowl game. What does that say about the teams left in the SBC?

Not sure.

I guess the point I'm making is that a good football team is a good football team. You guys being good this year isn't because of C-USA weakness. In fact, I think that is a rather back-handed compliment (if that) to make to Toppers football team. Bottom line is that was a damn good football team this year. It doesn't provide evidence that the rest of the league is weak simply because of wkcc's history in the Sun Belt, which is what the App fan is implying.

In fact, we could jump on the other side of that argument and say the move to C-USA immediately buoyed recruiting making the program better. And perhaps the same can be said about the I-AA teams moving up dominating the Sun Belt last year?

I don't think anyone should say that USM was the whipping boy for anyone, regardless of which version of CUSA you are talking about. They were solid through all the transitions, except the previous 3 years of course.

USM was solid and it is strange to me that they were left out of the conference cherry picking. However, most of the disdain for WKU has to come from those who think the Sun "Belch" is nothing more than an FCS league. Ironically we heard more about the beating of ULL by La Tech instead of App State wrecking ODU (who actually finished better in the respective conference than Louisiana did.)

The is a perception issue, and WKU has come in (thankfully) and changed the paradigm that most C-USA posters have been molded to believe in. I for one am thankful for you all and regret that it took you leaving for App and Southern to get the invite. Keep MTSU, WKU, add USM, have App and Georgia Southern and the Belt is far better than C-USA would've been while staying relatively regional.

However, the powers that be showed the $$$, and despite the competition, everyone jumped.

(12-08-2015 03:30 PM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  What has happened here is some of the CUSA old boys are pissy a new team from a lower league has come in this conference and essentially run it from top to bottom. When tulsa, houston, louisville, cincy, memphis, tulane were all in the conference they were having a field day pounding the other CUSA teams. When they left for bigger and better things, the remaining schools thought, "yes! finally we have a shot in the conference" So, when a sun belt team comes in a dominates the conference in many different sports with several championships - they tend to not like that. "You havent earned your stripes to talk trash" is on of many ludocris comments I have seen. Face it boys, you were the bottom dwellers of CUSA for an eternity. When the big boys left you believed it was your time in the sun. WKU has put an eclipse on said sun and you have chosen to revert to high school name calling and attendance smack. Its all good, just know WKU is here to stay and we aint going anywhere anytime soon - in any sport. Its what we do. We enter a conference and run it. So get in line or start competing becuase talking trash about us will only bring fuel to the fire. I love this conference and was as excited about it as any team accompishment when we joined - just didnt know it was full of this many crybabies and sore losers. You all must have been the inventors of the Upward sports - "everyone gets a trophy and nobody is allowed to be mean to anybody, ya hear!"

I don't think you can make this claim given Southern Miss' history. There wasn't a better football program in the league since its inception. It may not have always won the league championship, but it was by far and way one of if not the best built program.

Not to try to intentionally keep fanning the flames but it's really the fans causing this not jealousy. When some of your guys constantly rub people the wrong way over and over again and then try to pin it on others as being butt hurt (as I have seen a number of times from wkcc fans) or otherwise jealous then we are left with the perpetual cycle we seem to not be able to get out of.

There is something to winning with class and dignity. So, far only a handful of wkcc fans have done so and the truth of the matter is you guys are doing it to yourself. But of course I'm not allowed to say that because I'm a rival and I must clearly be biased. But whatever. Take with a grain of salt then. The truth is what you all want it to be anyway. Right?

(12-08-2015 03:25 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Yeah I thought WKU was one of the better additions to the conference.

Then their little fan base happened.

They remind me of when UCF's balls dropped several years ago. Total n00bs.

THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Nah. Even basketball schools can catch lightning in a football bottle every once in a while.

Give the administration kudos for making an outstanding chess move with Petrino that got them Brohm. You have to tip your hat for that move as it looked pretty bad originally. If Brohm stays then everything we say here may be rendered moot. If he leaves then we'll just have to let time tell if your statement holds any merit or not.

The idea that they compete right away in C-USA means nothing as to the quality of the league. You're drawing causation from correlation which never has been proven to be true. On the time and space continuum it wouldn't have mattered if wkcc was in C-USA or the Sun Belt and maybe even the AAC this year they were going to ***** slap people either way.

Interestingly, last year, a team in their 2nd year of transition from FCS to FBS finished 8-0 in the SBC and another move up from FCS to FBS finished 6-2. That 8-0 team couldn't even play in the SBC's Bowl game. What does that say about the teams left in the SBC?

Southern didn't play Louisiana or Arkansas State last season whereas App beat the traditional powers, Troy, ASU, and Louisiana, all away.

This season they almost shutout Louisiana, took a loss from State, and beat Troy. The fact of the matter is that you can't play transitive property and assume that you would've fared any better against them. You can assume, hell maybe even use sagarin, but its all moot until you play.

I will look at a common opponent, ODU. Western Kentucky 55-30. Appalachian 49-0.

Transitive property says that App is as good as WKU. The WKU offense against App's defense would've been great to see this season.

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Yeah I thought WKU was one of the better additions to the conference.

Then their little fan base happened.

They remind me of when UCF's balls dropped several years ago. Total n00bs.

THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Hmmm...Let's see:

We went 18-24 from 2005 to 2013 vs the AAC teams..Not glamorous, but HARDLY a pot to piss in.

6-2 vs Memphis
4-0 vs Tulane
2-2 vs Houston
2-2 vs SMU
3-6 vs ECU
1-4 vs Tulsa
0-8 vs UCF

Oh, and one East Division Title (with AAC teams in CUSA) and three bowls with victories over Ohio, FIU, and Maryland.. You know, a P5 team.

(12-08-2015 03:46 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:25 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Nah. Even basketball schools can catch lightning in a football bottle every once in a while.

Give the administration kudos for making an outstanding chess move with Petrino that got them Brohm. You have to tip your hat for that move as it looked pretty bad originally. If Brohm stays then everything we say here may be rendered moot. If he leaves then we'll just have to let time tell if your statement holds any merit or not.

The idea that they compete right away in C-USA means nothing as to the quality of the league. You're drawing causation from correlation which never has been proven to be true. On the time and space continuum it wouldn't have mattered if wkcc was in C-USA or the Sun Belt and maybe even the AAC this year they were going to ***** slap people either way.

Interestingly, last year, a team in their 2nd year of transition from FCS to FBS finished 8-0 in the SBC and another move up from FCS to FBS finished 6-2. That 8-0 team couldn't even play in the SBC's Bowl game. What does that say about the teams left in the SBC?

Southern didn't play Louisiana or Arkansas State last season whereas App beat the traditional powers, Troy, ASU, and Louisiana, all away.

This season they almost shutout Louisiana, took a loss from State, and beat Troy. The fact of the matter is that you can't play transitive property and assume that you would've fared any better against them. You can assume, hell maybe even use sagarin, but its all moot until you play.

I will look at a common opponent, ODU. Western Kentucky 55-30. Appalachian 49-0.

Transitive property says that App is as good as WKU. The WKU offense against App's defense would've been great to see this season.

I wasn't using the transitive property or anything of the sort. We all know that doesn't work in football. What I was saying was that just because a SBC team, WKU, comes into the CUSA and wins it in year 2, doesn't mean that the SBC is greater than CUSA just as when 2 FCS schools came into the SBC and win most of their games doesn't mean that the FCS is better than the SBC.

(12-08-2015 03:30 PM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  What has happened here is some of the CUSA old boys are pissy a new team from a lower league has come in this conference and essentially run it from top to bottom. When tulsa, houston, louisville, cincy, memphis, tulane were all in the conference they were having a field day pounding the other CUSA teams. When they left for bigger and better things, the remaining schools thought, "yes! finally we have a shot in the conference" So, when a sun belt team comes in a dominates the conference in many different sports with several championships - they tend to not like that. "You havent earned your stripes to talk trash" is on of many ludocris comments I have seen. Face it boys, you were the bottom dwellers of CUSA for an eternity. When the big boys left you believed it was your time in the sun. WKU has put an eclipse on said sun and you have chosen to revert to high school name calling and attendance smack. Its all good, just know WKU is here to stay and we aint going anywhere anytime soon - in any sport. Its what we do. We enter a conference and run it. So get in line or start competing becuase talking trash about us will only bring fuel to the fire. I love this conference and was as excited about it as any team accompishment when we joined - just didnt know it was full of this many crybabies and sore losers. You all must have been the inventors of the Upward sports - "everyone gets a trophy and nobody is allowed to be mean to anybody, ya hear!"

Your Honor. If it please the court, I would like to submit into evidence "Exhibit A".

(12-08-2015 03:49 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Yeah I thought WKU was one of the better additions to the conference.

Then their little fan base happened.

They remind me of when UCF's balls dropped several years ago. Total n00bs.

THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Hmmm...Let's see:

We went 18-24 from 2005 to 2013 vs the AAC teams..Not glamorous, but HARDLY a pot to piss in.

6-2 vs Memphis
4-0 vs Tulane
2-2 vs Houston
2-2 vs SMU
3-6 vs ECU
1-4 vs Tulsa
0-8 vs UCF

Oh, and one East Division Title (with AAC teams in CUSA) and three bowls with victories over Ohio, FIU, and Maryland.. You know, a P5 team.

I was at ECU beginning in 2009. My friend was a Marshall student beginning in 2008, and you guys were nothing more than a mid-level team since your jump from the MAC until the mass exodus two seasons ago.

(12-08-2015 03:54 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:46 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:25 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:19 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Nah. Even basketball schools can catch lightning in a football bottle every once in a while.

Give the administration kudos for making an outstanding chess move with Petrino that got them Brohm. You have to tip your hat for that move as it looked pretty bad originally. If Brohm stays then everything we say here may be rendered moot. If he leaves then we'll just have to let time tell if your statement holds any merit or not.

The idea that they compete right away in C-USA means nothing as to the quality of the league. You're drawing causation from correlation which never has been proven to be true. On the time and space continuum it wouldn't have mattered if wkcc was in C-USA or the Sun Belt and maybe even the AAC this year they were going to ***** slap people either way.

Interestingly, last year, a team in their 2nd year of transition from FCS to FBS finished 8-0 in the SBC and another move up from FCS to FBS finished 6-2. That 8-0 team couldn't even play in the SBC's Bowl game. What does that say about the teams left in the SBC?

Southern didn't play Louisiana or Arkansas State last season whereas App beat the traditional powers, Troy, ASU, and Louisiana, all away.

This season they almost shutout Louisiana, took a loss from State, and beat Troy. The fact of the matter is that you can't play transitive property and assume that you would've fared any better against them. You can assume, hell maybe even use sagarin, but its all moot until you play.

I will look at a common opponent, ODU. Western Kentucky 55-30. Appalachian 49-0.

Transitive property says that App is as good as WKU. The WKU offense against App's defense would've been great to see this season.

I wasn't using the transitive property or anything of the sort. We all know that doesn't work in football. What I was saying was that just because a SBC team, WKU, comes into the CUSA and wins it in year 2, doesn't mean that the SBC is greater than CUSA just as when 2 FCS schools came into the SBC and win most of their games doesn't mean that the FCS is better than the SBC.

You should know that App and Georgia Southern are exceptions to the rule when it comes to success after jumping. Marshall had similar success after their jump in the 90's as did Boise State. It isn't unheard of, it's just not likely.

WKU experienced some down years after their National Championship and you have finally reached a tipping point as a full fledged FBS program. The fact also is that App and Southern had been recruiting players for FBS before their announcement as coaches were talking C-USA or Sun Belt beginning in 2010 and 2011. So certain players who may have been borderline were going to the schools.

I just don't know that their success the past two seasons says what you think it does. Southern should've beat NC State, Georgia Tech, and Georgia the past two seasons, (moral victories <7 points).

You come into a game built from the inside out, offensive and defensive lines, and you can compete with anyone.

(12-08-2015 03:54 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:30 PM)Shadow_Son Wrote:  What has happened here is some of the CUSA old boys are pissy a new team from a lower league has come in this conference and essentially run it from top to bottom. When tulsa, houston, louisville, cincy, memphis, tulane were all in the conference they were having a field day pounding the other CUSA teams. When they left for bigger and better things, the remaining schools thought, "yes! finally we have a shot in the conference" So, when a sun belt team comes in a dominates the conference in many different sports with several championships - they tend to not like that. "You havent earned your stripes to talk trash" is on of many ludocris comments I have seen. Face it boys, you were the bottom dwellers of CUSA for an eternity. When the big boys left you believed it was your time in the sun. WKU has put an eclipse on said sun and you have chosen to revert to high school name calling and attendance smack. Its all good, just know WKU is here to stay and we aint going anywhere anytime soon - in any sport. Its what we do. We enter a conference and run it. So get in line or start competing becuase talking trash about us will only bring fuel to the fire. I love this conference and was as excited about it as any team accompishment when we joined - just didnt know it was full of this many crybabies and sore losers. You all must have been the inventors of the Upward sports - "everyone gets a trophy and nobody is allowed to be mean to anybody, ya hear!"

Your Honor. If it please the court, I would like to submit into evidence "Exhibit A".

Overruled.

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(12-08-2015 04:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  You should know that App and Georgia Southern are exceptions to the rule when it comes to success after jumping. Marshall had similar success after their jump in the 90's as did Boise State. It isn't unheard of, it's just not likely.

WKU experienced some down years after their National Championship and you have finally reached a tipping point as a full fledged FBS program. The fact also is that App and Southern had been recruiting players for FBS before their announcement as coaches were talking C-USA or Sun Belt beginning in 2010 and 2011. So certain players who may have been borderline were going to the schools.

I just don't know that their success the past two seasons says what you think it does. Southern should've beat NC State, Georgia Tech, and Georgia the past two seasons, (moral victories <7 points).

You come into a game built from the inside out, offensive and defensive lines, and you can compete with anyone.

We all know that. Kudo's to App and GaSo. I was merely making the point you've just made that nothing is as black and white as some wish to imply.

(12-08-2015 04:04 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:00 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  You should know that App and Georgia Southern are exceptions to the rule when it comes to success after jumping. Marshall had similar success after their jump in the 90's as did Boise State. It isn't unheard of, it's just not likely.

WKU experienced some down years after their National Championship and you have finally reached a tipping point as a full fledged FBS program. The fact also is that App and Southern had been recruiting players for FBS before their announcement as coaches were talking C-USA or Sun Belt beginning in 2010 and 2011. So certain players who may have been borderline were going to the schools.

I just don't know that their success the past two seasons says what you think it does. Southern should've beat NC State, Georgia Tech, and Georgia the past two seasons, (moral victories <7 points).

You come into a game built from the inside out, offensive and defensive lines, and you can compete with anyone.

We all know that. Kudo's to App and GaSo. I was merely making the point you've just made that nothing is as black and white as some wish to imply.

A point I would like to make before I depart: 1. I have developed a similar disdain for Tech fans that I have for Southern fans. Southern actually has ground to stand on to support their arrogance however.

2. I'm glad that WKU has been able to move into the mighty C-USA and slay the giants of the G5 world. May a bright light guide you through the post Doughty years.

(12-08-2015 03:55 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:49 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:18 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Yeah I thought WKU was one of the better additions to the conference.

Then their little fan base happened.

They remind me of when UCF's balls dropped several years ago. Total n00bs.

THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Hmmm...Let's see:

We went 18-24 from 2005 to 2013 vs the AAC teams..Not glamorous, but HARDLY a pot to piss in.

6-2 vs Memphis
4-0 vs Tulane
2-2 vs Houston
2-2 vs SMU
3-6 vs ECU
1-4 vs Tulsa
0-8 vs UCF

Oh, and one East Division Title (with AAC teams in CUSA) and three bowls with victories over Ohio, FIU, and Maryland.. You know, a P5 team.

I was at ECU beginning in 2009. My friend was a Marshall student beginning in 2008, and you guys were nothing more than a mid-level team since your jump from the MAC until the mass exodus two seasons ago.

Mediocre in 2013?? Okay..

I'm not arguing that we weren't mediocre. We were suffering the results of sanctions from the Pruett era and a terrible hire in Mark Snyder. You make it sound as if we did nothing over those years when we, in fact, had some pretty big wins in that timeframe.

I am saying that other than UCF and Tulsa, we have beaten all of the AAC teams multiple times. UCF had more to do with that than anyone. They did have our number. Less to do with the AAC teams because we also lost and beat USM, UTEP, Rice, etc...

(12-08-2015 04:07 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:55 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:49 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:19 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  THIS +2

Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Hmmm...Let's see:

We went 18-24 from 2005 to 2013 vs the AAC teams..Not glamorous, but HARDLY a pot to piss in.

6-2 vs Memphis
4-0 vs Tulane
2-2 vs Houston
2-2 vs SMU
3-6 vs ECU
1-4 vs Tulsa
0-8 vs UCF

Oh, and one East Division Title (with AAC teams in CUSA) and three bowls with victories over Ohio, FIU, and Maryland.. You know, a P5 team.

I was at ECU beginning in 2009. My friend was a Marshall student beginning in 2008, and you guys were nothing more than a mid-level team since your jump from the MAC until the mass exodus two seasons ago.

Mediocre in 2013?? Okay..

I'm not arguing that we weren't mediocre. We were suffering the results of sanctions from the Pruett era and a terrible hire in Mark Snyder. You make it sound as if we did nothing over those years when we, in fact, had some pretty big wins in that timeframe.

I am saying that other than UCF and Tulsa, we have beaten all of the AAC teams multiple times. UCF had more to do with that than anyone. They did have our number. Less to do with the AAC teams because we also lost and beat USM, UTEP, Rice, etc...

UCF had everyones number at the wrong times. The Synder years were interesting. I remember the boo's and the fire Snyder posters when I was up for the ECU game that season.

(12-08-2015 04:13 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:07 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:55 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:49 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 02:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Marshall didn't have a pot to piss in, in any C-USA argument until the departure of the new AAC members. Southern Miss was left out in the cold for reasons that I am not aware of, however, UCF is in a better location with far more untapped resources for income than Marshall or USM will ever have.

WKU simply came in and began winning straight away, of course this hurts the perception that C-USA is as great as it was even without Tulsa, Houston, and ECU. To have a middling Sun Belt team immedietely come in and compete for the conference title, and knock off the C-USA darling of the year must be painful.

Hmmm...Let's see:

We went 18-24 from 2005 to 2013 vs the AAC teams..Not glamorous, but HARDLY a pot to piss in.

6-2 vs Memphis
4-0 vs Tulane
2-2 vs Houston
2-2 vs SMU
3-6 vs ECU
1-4 vs Tulsa
0-8 vs UCF

Oh, and one East Division Title (with AAC teams in CUSA) and three bowls with victories over Ohio, FIU, and Maryland.. You know, a P5 team.

I was at ECU beginning in 2009. My friend was a Marshall student beginning in 2008, and you guys were nothing more than a mid-level team since your jump from the MAC until the mass exodus two seasons ago.

Mediocre in 2013?? Okay..

I'm not arguing that we weren't mediocre. We were suffering the results of sanctions from the Pruett era and a terrible hire in Mark Snyder. You make it sound as if we did nothing over those years when we, in fact, had some pretty big wins in that timeframe.

I am saying that other than UCF and Tulsa, we have beaten all of the AAC teams multiple times. UCF had more to do with that than anyone. They did have our number. Less to do with the AAC teams because we also lost and beat USM, UTEP, Rice, etc...

UCF had everyones number at the wrong times. The Synder years were interesting. I remember the boo's and the fire Snyder posters when I was up for the ECU game that season.

It was uncanny... Like a switch clicked on. We had beaten them EVERY year while in the MAC... Then POOF... Daddy becomes son.

(12-08-2015 04:15 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:13 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 04:07 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:55 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 03:49 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Hmmm...Let's see:

We went 18-24 from 2005 to 2013 vs the AAC teams..Not glamorous, but HARDLY a pot to piss in.

6-2 vs Memphis
4-0 vs Tulane
2-2 vs Houston
2-2 vs SMU
3-6 vs ECU
1-4 vs Tulsa
0-8 vs UCF

Oh, and one East Division Title (with AAC teams in CUSA) and three bowls with victories over Ohio, FIU, and Maryland.. You know, a P5 team.

I was at ECU beginning in 2009. My friend was a Marshall student beginning in 2008, and you guys were nothing more than a mid-level team since your jump from the MAC until the mass exodus two seasons ago.

Mediocre in 2013?? Okay..

I'm not arguing that we weren't mediocre. We were suffering the results of sanctions from the Pruett era and a terrible hire in Mark Snyder. You make it sound as if we did nothing over those years when we, in fact, had some pretty big wins in that timeframe.

I am saying that other than UCF and Tulsa, we have beaten all of the AAC teams multiple times. UCF had more to do with that than anyone. They did have our number. Less to do with the AAC teams because we also lost and beat USM, UTEP, Rice, etc...

UCF had everyones number at the wrong times. The Synder years were interesting. I remember the boo's and the fire Snyder posters when I was up for the ECU game that season.

It was uncanny... Like a switch clicked on. We had beaten them EVERY year while in the MAC... Then POOF... Daddy becomes son.

It was satisfying yet mildly upsetting to see them face plant this season though. UCF has a penchant for ruining opportunities though. I have the feeling that WKU will become that team for you all.

However, App does have the ability to avenge Marshall's loss to Ohio, and as much as you all dislike Ohio because of a more recent feud I would hope that you could take an interest in seeing Appalachian win this game.

As i've mentioned on the Belt board, I pull for Southern in games not against App because the two school's are almost always lumped together in any conversation. (and then Southern starts to win and I start to dislike them because of the bombastic fans). But I also pull for Marshall to win most every week because I have a friend who still lives in Huntington and I grew up watching Randy Moss because my dad is a Vikings fan.

Marshall, WKU, and USM I can pull for. Anyone else in the conference, especially Charlotte fans I have a special place for.