(12-14-2015 01:33 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 10:26 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  UConn isn't far from membership though, and if the B1G wanted us, all of the schools would vote in the AAU vote for us.

it isn't quite that way...60+ members

There's always a way to game the system...

Why, though? AAU status was a marketing line used a decade ago. It has no real bearing on conference membership. If you want UConn in the B1G, convince UConn to keep being UConn in basketball, convince northeastern high school football players (especially Connecticut ones) to get good (and convince the basketball ones to stay good), convince the state/UConn to build a large stadium in Storrs, and convince a LOT of your friends (i.e. 80-90k) to fill said stadium. Convincing UConn to win football games would also probably help, especially if those games are against major teams.

Otherwise, convince the alumni of a lot of B1G schools (or at least the key one(s)) that they want to see their alma mater play UConn for either rivalry reasons or convince reasons.

If you do the above, UConn will get a chance to be in the B1G.

I wish we were killing it like Syracuse was since McNabb. I'd say we sucked compared to Cuse because Cuse dominated the 2000's. Our bowl game is what everybody points to, you guys were still worse. Did Cuse get the ACC invite because of their football team. Is central New York a hot spot for recruiting? You are the ultimate troll.

Funny thing...those 2000s...yeah Cuse sucked in FB for most of the years but guess what they had a team during that sucky decade that would've beat the best UConn team ever.

(12-15-2015 11:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:33 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:   it isn't quite that way...60+ members

There's always a way to game the system...

Why, though? AAU status was a marketing line used a decade ago. It has no real bearing on conference membership. If you want UConn in the B1G, convince UConn to keep being UConn in basketball, convince northeastern high school football players (especially Connecticut ones) to get good (and convince the basketball ones to stay good), convince the state/UConn to build a large stadium in Storrs, and convince a LOT of your friends (i.e. 80-90k) to fill said stadium. Convincing UConn to win football games would also probably help, especially if those games are against major teams.

Otherwise, convince the alumni of a lot of B1G schools (or at least the key one(s)) that they want to see their alma mater play UConn for either rivalry reasons or convince reasons.

If you do the above, UConn will get a chance to be in the B1G.

I wish we were killing it like Syracuse was since McNabb. I'd say we sucked compared to Cuse because Cuse dominated the 2000's. Our bowl game is what everybody points to, you guys were still worse. Did Cuse get the ACC invite because of their football team. Is central New York a hot spot for recruiting? You are the ultimate troll.

Funny thing...those 2000s...yeah Cuse sucked in FB for most of the years but guess what they had a team during that sucky decade that would've beat the best UConn team ever.

The fact that start-up FBS football UCONN was better than Syracuse when they shared a conference is pretty telling. Luckily you get another crack next year.

By the way, Harvard and Yale once dominated the highest level of college football too. Unfortunately, the past doesn't mean jack s*** today.

Bye Felicia.

(12-15-2015 11:50 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:33 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  There's always a way to game the system...

Why, though? AAU status was a marketing line used a decade ago. It has no real bearing on conference membership. If you want UConn in the B1G, convince UConn to keep being UConn in basketball, convince northeastern high school football players (especially Connecticut ones) to get good (and convince the basketball ones to stay good), convince the state/UConn to build a large stadium in Storrs, and convince a LOT of your friends (i.e. 80-90k) to fill said stadium. Convincing UConn to win football games would also probably help, especially if those games are against major teams.

Otherwise, convince the alumni of a lot of B1G schools (or at least the key one(s)) that they want to see their alma mater play UConn for either rivalry reasons or convince reasons.

If you do the above, UConn will get a chance to be in the B1G.

I wish we were killing it like Syracuse was since McNabb. I'd say we sucked compared to Cuse because Cuse dominated the 2000's. Our bowl game is what everybody points to, you guys were still worse. Did Cuse get the ACC invite because of their football team. Is central New York a hot spot for recruiting? You are the ultimate troll.

Funny thing...those 2000s...yeah Cuse sucked in FB for most of the years but guess what they had a team during that sucky decade that would've beat the best UConn team ever.

The fact that start-up FBS football UCONN was better than Syracuse when they shared a conference is pretty telling. Luckily you get another crack next year.

By the way, Harvard and Yale once dominated the highest level of college football too. Unfortunately, the past doesn't mean jack s*** today.

Bye Felicia.

All it means is we made a horrible hire...don't worry they used some of their ESPN monies to build new facilities and hire a proven coach.

(12-15-2015 11:22 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 10:40 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 09:53 AM)5thTiger Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 10:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 12:47 PM)5thTiger Wrote:  For those who didn't follow it in the slightest. Nebraska's medical school is a separate entity, and therefore their numbers don't get to be used for Nebraska. Another HUGE reason is that Agriculture research has a very different process for allocating money. Its not competitive as only certain parts of the country have the weather/soil/etc. to do certain types of research. So alot of metrics decide to leave out Ag research

That obviously affects the biggest benefactors in the numbers...IE Nebraska, Iowa State (Iowa to a degree), Missouri, Kansas.

But Nebraska's downfall was not having the medical school on campus, alongside the rest of the rankings.

But I really don't think Iowa State, Missouri, or Kansas have anything to worry about. Particularly Missouri or Kansas. Both have plenty of other research outside of Agriculture. Agriculture isn't as sexy as some of the other industries, but it is a juggernaut in terms of influence and the basis of research.

Summary: Nebraska doesn't have a med school, which was their nail in the coffin. Agriculture numbers don't count the same (making numbers look worse), but are still very important.

Missouri is lower than Nebraska in research -- and that's NOT including the U of NE med center in Omaha with the Lincoln number ... and that IS including the Columbia med center with the Columbia number.

http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html/...ST_19.html

Iowa #45 *** This number INCLUDES the U of IA med center in Iowa City
Iowa St #74 (no med school)
Kansas #77 *** This number INCLUDES the U of KS med center in KC
Nebraska #80 *** This number DOES NOT include the U of NE med center in Omaha
Missouri #88 *** This number INCLUDES the U of MO med center in Columbia


Further, let's look at just research that is funded from federal agencies.

http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html/...ST_22.html

And let's focus on research funded by the USDA. (ranked by overall, USDA research in parenthesis)

Iowa #53 236M total (USDA <1M)
Kansas #65 172M total (USDA 1.4M)
Iowa St #94 116M total (USDA 34M)
Missouri #103 105M total (USDA 18M)
Nebraska #110 110M total (USDA 16M)



So ... how in the hell is it possible that Iowa St and Missouri are still considered AAU, but Nebraska is not??

You add in the U of NE med center in Omaha -- which is exactly the same situation that Kansas does with its med center in Kansas City -- and Nebraska is now up by Iowa overall.


Like I said, obviously the NE president pissed off the wrong people. AAU doesn't mean anything. It's a good ole boy country club.

I know for a fact that those numbers are not correct. Just FWIW. The last research project when I was working as a research assistant was over 30M.

You are way off the mark on this whole thing.

I know the former President of Missouri quite well. We, along with kansas are in absolutely no danger of losing AAU status, nor were we at the time.


Nebraska had been on the chopping block for over a decade.

Privately funded research doesn't show up on these FEDERALLY funded worksheets. But I can tell you for a fact that the Monsanto's, Pioneer's, and DuPont's of the world give hundreds of millions annually for ag research.

The latest numbers are for FY2014. Missouri has grown somewhat, but it's not like the FY2015 numbers are going to be a 50% increase.

Sorry, those are the factual numbers. Reported by the school itself, to the National Science Foundation via the HERD survey.

And the data DOES include research funding from private sources. Here is the table that breaks it down by federal, state/local, business, non-profit and institutional (internally funded): http://ncsesdata.nsf.gov/herd/2014/html/...ST_18.html

For FY2014, Missouri had $237M overall research funding (ranked #88) and of that 6.7M was from businesses.


One thing that would seem to be "holding Missouri back", if you will, is that its med center does a relatively low amount of research.

I have no idea why they decided to put a med center out in the middle of nowhere, Columbia.

It should have gone in STL or KC. I guess they figured that they could never compete with Washington in STL. And perhaps Kansas already had established its med center in KC (on the other side of the river).


The UMKC med school is relatively new and would not have posed any threat to Missouri.

But anyway...


I was not calling for Iowa St or Missouri to lose AAU standing. Kansas is above both you guys, closer to Iowa.

I'm simply pointing out that there's no way that Nebraska can fail to make the cut if Missouri is still in -- just based on research funding dollars. There had to be more to it than that.

That simply isn't true. Knowing who I know, I have it from the horses mouth. Also, you clearly have no clue about the universities of Missouri (columbia, middle of nowhere, wtf are you talking about? 100k+ pop), kansas, Iowa, Iowa State, or Nebraska.

Once again, those numbers are not correct as they are only considering certain amounts of federally funded R&D.

Don't spread lies as you are now. A 2/3 ouster is not a President pissing off a few people. Do some easy reading. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011...aska_leave
http://chronicle.com/article/Ouster-Open...te/127364/

Membership Criteria: http://www.aau.edu/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=10972

Reported and -2 for falsely accusing me lying. Shame on you.


Can't get more "from the horse's mouth" than the NSF data. What incentive would Missouri have to lie on its own self-reported research funding numbers?? Ridiculous.

And, as I correctly mentioned before, the data includes ALL funding, not just federal.

I don't care if you won't accept these facts as the truth. It only makes you ignorant.


Are you trying to suggest that it is impossible to piss off a few key presidents and have them lobby 2/3rds of the membership to vote out Nebraska? I would say that's not only possible, but probably what happened.


Again, Nebraska -- WITHOUT the Omaha med center -- has research numbers comparable to Missouri -- WITH its Columbia med center. Yet Missouri was not voted out, while Nebraska was.

Smells fishy.


I will also maintain my *opinion* that it was not a smart idea to put the med center in Columbia. The best locally comparison to that is Iowa, with med center in Iowa City. That's 30mins to Cedar Rapids metro (250k) and 1 hr to Davenport metro (500k).

Columbia is 2hrs to KC and STL. So people in KC are going to go to the U of KS med center and people in STL are going to go to the Wash U med center.

(12-15-2015 11:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:33 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:19 PM)TexanMark Wrote:   it isn't quite that way...60+ members

There's always a way to game the system...

Why, though? AAU status was a marketing line used a decade ago. It has no real bearing on conference membership. If you want UConn in the B1G, convince UConn to keep being UConn in basketball, convince northeastern high school football players (especially Connecticut ones) to get good (and convince the basketball ones to stay good), convince the state/UConn to build a large stadium in Storrs, and convince a LOT of your friends (i.e. 80-90k) to fill said stadium. Convincing UConn to win football games would also probably help, especially if those games are against major teams.

Otherwise, convince the alumni of a lot of B1G schools (or at least the key one(s)) that they want to see their alma mater play UConn for either rivalry reasons or convince reasons.

If you do the above, UConn will get a chance to be in the B1G.

I wish we were killing it like Syracuse was since McNabb. I'd say we sucked compared to Cuse because Cuse dominated the 2000's. Our bowl game is what everybody points to, you guys were still worse. Did Cuse get the ACC invite because of their football team. Is central New York a hot spot for recruiting? You are the ultimate troll.

Funny thing...those 2000s...yeah Cuse sucked in FB for most of the years but guess what they had a team during that sucky decade that would've beat the best UConn team ever.

Uconn won championship during the 2000's how did Cuse do, I know it wasn't better than UConn

(12-16-2015 09:26 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:33 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  There's always a way to game the system...

Why, though? AAU status was a marketing line used a decade ago. It has no real bearing on conference membership. If you want UConn in the B1G, convince UConn to keep being UConn in basketball, convince northeastern high school football players (especially Connecticut ones) to get good (and convince the basketball ones to stay good), convince the state/UConn to build a large stadium in Storrs, and convince a LOT of your friends (i.e. 80-90k) to fill said stadium. Convincing UConn to win football games would also probably help, especially if those games are against major teams.

Otherwise, convince the alumni of a lot of B1G schools (or at least the key one(s)) that they want to see their alma mater play UConn for either rivalry reasons or convince reasons.

If you do the above, UConn will get a chance to be in the B1G.

I wish we were killing it like Syracuse was since McNabb. I'd say we sucked compared to Cuse because Cuse dominated the 2000's. Our bowl game is what everybody points to, you guys were still worse. Did Cuse get the ACC invite because of their football team. Is central New York a hot spot for recruiting? You are the ultimate troll.

Funny thing...those 2000s...yeah Cuse sucked in FB for most of the years but guess what they had a team during that sucky decade that would've beat the best UConn team ever.

Uconn won championship during the 2000's how did Cuse do, I know it wasn't better than UConn

More Football championships than UConn

I'm not 50 so I don't bring up the glory days. Cuse football since the 90's please.

(12-08-2015 01:31 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 01:29 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Texas & Oklahoma.

This.

Texas and Oklahoma should leave to the B1G and let the small programs do as they please.

Texas and Oklahoma need to be playing big time programs, not all of these small programs that nobody even cares to watch.

...programs like Rutgers, Maryland, Minn, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois?

(12-08-2015 03:23 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  UVA and UNC don't fit the mold of Big Ten schools. They're limited enrollment, elite liberal arts boutique schools. Basically they're the larger, public version of Duke, Wake Forest, Vanderbilt, Emory, etc.

Not sure how I missed that.

Gets back earlier discussions of VPI being just as likely of a "target".

(12-16-2015 11:25 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 01:31 PM)Nebraskafan Wrote:  

(12-08-2015 01:29 PM)AntiG Wrote:  Texas & Oklahoma.

This.

Texas and Oklahoma should leave to the B1G and let the small programs do as they please.

Texas and Oklahoma need to be playing big time programs, not all of these small programs that nobody even cares to watch.

...programs like Rutgers, Maryland, Minn, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois?

Larger population centers than anyone in the Big XII, though TCU with the Dallas/FW market is the outlier.

(12-15-2015 11:50 AM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(12-15-2015 11:45 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 01:33 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  

(12-09-2015 12:39 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(12-07-2015 11:25 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  There's always a way to game the system...

Why, though? AAU status was a marketing line used a decade ago. It has no real bearing on conference membership. If you want UConn in the B1G, convince UConn to keep being UConn in basketball, convince northeastern high school football players (especially Connecticut ones) to get good (and convince the basketball ones to stay good), convince the state/UConn to build a large stadium in Storrs, and convince a LOT of your friends (i.e. 80-90k) to fill said stadium. Convincing UConn to win football games would also probably help, especially if those games are against major teams.

Otherwise, convince the alumni of a lot of B1G schools (or at least the key one(s)) that they want to see their alma mater play UConn for either rivalry reasons or convince reasons.

If you do the above, UConn will get a chance to be in the B1G.

I wish we were killing it like Syracuse was since McNabb. I'd say we sucked compared to Cuse because Cuse dominated the 2000's. Our bowl game is what everybody points to, you guys were still worse. Did Cuse get the ACC invite because of their football team. Is central New York a hot spot for recruiting? You are the ultimate troll.

Funny thing...those 2000s...yeah Cuse sucked in FB for most of the years but guess what they had a team during that sucky decade that would've beat the best UConn team ever.

The fact that start-up FBS football UCONN was better than Syracuse when they shared a conference is pretty telling. Luckily you get another crack next year.

By the way, Harvard and Yale once dominated the highest level of college football too. Unfortunately, the past doesn't mean jack s*** today.

Bye Felicia.

Yes, UConn went something like 6-3 against SU during a decade which was both the worst decade of SU fb history, and the best decade of UConn football history. That isn't going to convince Michigan to add you to the B1G. I don't know what you want me to say.

And for the record, troll all you want, but UConn has literally never had a great year in football in the school's entire history. I've seen an undefeated Syracuse football team. SU fb is undeniably down, but pretending like UConn is better than Syracuse is delusional. If nothing else, SU has long-standing rivalries with P5 teams. UConn doesn't.

(12-16-2015 11:16 AM)Huskies12 Wrote:  I'm not 50 so I don't bring up the glory days. Cuse football since the 90's please.

Yes...I bow to your 20 something genius...

Cuse shared 2004 and 2012...you wanna throw more crap against the wall and get proven wrong?

Also, the Big East was much tougher pre 2005 with Miami, VTech and BC

I read that Big 10 wants to go to 22 teams, maybe 24 to have 4 pods of 6.