(12-11-2015 10:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  what doesn't show up in the RPI or in the SOS is the number of non-D1 games, which are around 21 total. To date the MAC has 65 wins, but 15 of those wins are vs non-D1 competition. That's nearly 1/4 of all wins so far. There are still 7 non-D1 games to be played. That's not helping anybody.

On the other hand it does not hurt anybody either. All you lose out on is the opportunity cost of not playing someone that could positively affect your RPI. The trouble is it is not easy for some schools to get schools that would help their RPI. The last thing you want to do is play low end div 1 schools at home. If you win your RPI goes down. If you somehow lose your RPI goes down hard.

(12-12-2015 02:53 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  what doesn't show up in the RPI or in the SOS is the number of non-D1 games, which are around 21 total. To date the MAC has 65 wins, but 15 of those wins are vs non-D1 competition. That's nearly 1/4 of all wins so far. There are still 7 non-D1 games to be played. That's not helping anybody.

On the other hand it does not hurt anybody either. All you lose out on is the opportunity cost of not playing someone that could positively affect your RPI. The trouble is it is not easy for some schools to get schools that would help their RPI. The last thing you want to do is play low end div 1 schools at home. If you win your RPI goes down. If you somehow lose your RPI goes down hard.

It may hurt someone that isn't well prepared to play quality competition when conference season rolls around.

(12-11-2015 05:52 PM)ouvan59 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 04:55 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  I don't disagree with that, but teams like Toledo, CMU and Akron, who were all in the MAC Semifinals last year, need to schedule better in the non conference.

Some of that is bad luck. Akron has only two teams on their schedule to date that are traditionally bad. Cleveland State, Marshall and even Green Bay aren't normally as bad as they are this year. Toledo's schedule is the one that hurts. They don't have a single marquee game. In fact, they are about to hit the easy part of their schedule.

Toledo has scheduled up the last number of seasons. There is no doubt that Toledo scheduled down this year, I assume because there are 6 freshman on the roster. I think TK viewed this as a rebuilding year as opposed to a reloading year.

(12-12-2015 02:53 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  what doesn't show up in the RPI or in the SOS is the number of non-D1 games, which are around 21 total. To date the MAC has 65 wins, but 15 of those wins are vs non-D1 competition. That's nearly 1/4 of all wins so far. There are still 7 non-D1 games to be played. That's not helping anybody.

On the other hand it does not hurt anybody either. All you lose out on is the opportunity cost of not playing someone that could positively affect your RPI. The trouble is it is not easy for some schools to get schools that would help their RPI. The last thing you want to do is play low end div 1 schools at home. If you win your RPI goes down. If you somehow lose your RPI goes down hard.

and these home games aren't cheap.

They are 'buy' games. One game at home with no return (away) game.

Anyone know what MAC teams are paying for mid-major and low-major home games (without a return game)????

(12-12-2015 09:42 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 02:53 AM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 10:37 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  what doesn't show up in the RPI or in the SOS is the number of non-D1 games, which are around 21 total. To date the MAC has 65 wins, but 15 of those wins are vs non-D1 competition. That's nearly 1/4 of all wins so far. There are still 7 non-D1 games to be played. That's not helping anybody.

On the other hand it does not hurt anybody either. All you lose out on is the opportunity cost of not playing someone that could positively affect your RPI. The trouble is it is not easy for some schools to get schools that would help their RPI. The last thing you want to do is play low end div 1 schools at home. If you win your RPI goes down. If you somehow lose your RPI goes down hard.

and these home games aren't cheap.

They are 'buy' games. One game at home with no return (away) game.

Anyone know what MAC teams are paying for mid-major and low-major home games (without a return game)????

I know the highest number in hoops for the majors is $100,000. I believe UB got $90K each at Duke and Iowa State. I would think depending on who you are bringing and what their travel costs are, you might be looking at around $15-20k...

another thing to keep an eye on is bad losses. Here's the RPI for every loss by a MAC team through friday 12/11/15 with each team's worst loss in bold-

2 Iowa State(8-0), Buffalo
5 Xavier(9-0), Miami
6 Villanova(7-1), Akron
15 Michigan State(10-0), EMU
16 NC Wilmington(3-0), WMU
18 Duke(8-1), Buffalo
26 Pitt(5-1), Kent State
47 Tulsa(6-3), Ohio

54 Detroit(2-3), Toledo
69 St. Joseph's(6-2), Buffalo
80 Mercer(6-10, WMU
81 Cincinnati(8-1), Bowling Green
82 Florida State(5-2), Ohio
85 IPFW(6-4), Miami
94 Missouri(5-3), NIU
95 Milwaukee(6-3), CMU

103 Grand Canyon(6-1), CMU
108 St. Bonaventure(6-2), Buffalo
108 St. Bonaventure(6-2), Ohio
109 Middle Tenn St(4-2), Toledo
123 E Kentucky(6-3), Ball State
125 Penn State(6-3), EMU
135 W Kentucky(3-4), CMU

157 So Illinois(8-2), Kent State
158 James Madison(6-3), WMU
162 DePaul(5-3), WMU
172 Oakland(5-3), EMU
178 Green Bay(3-4), Akron
180 SF Austin(3-3), WMU
190 Loyola Chi(4-3), Toledo

203 Old Dominion(4-4), Buffalo
210 Weber St(3-4), CMU
223 Florida Atlantic(1-4), Miami
241 North Dakota(3-4), Bowling Green

259 Bradley(1-9), Ball State
279 IUPUI(2-8), Miami

Cleveland St falls to 0-4 vs the MAC after losing to Ohio today

UB defeats Binghamton, 80-64. Freshman CJ Massinburg continues to impress as he had 17 today.

EMU loses big to L'ville. James Thompson IV continues to impress with another double-double.

EMU opened the season, Nov 13 with a D-I home game (Vermont) and won't have another D-I home game until Dec 28 (Detroit-Mercy).

Lot of D-I road games and home non-D-1 games. Next up @Coppin State (2nd of a home and home series).

At the end of today, every team in the MAC is at .500, or better...

(12-12-2015 07:57 PM)OUBobcat9092 Wrote:  At the end of today, every team in the MAC is at .500, or better...

And given the scheduling, they should be.

(12-12-2015 07:59 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 07:57 PM)OUBobcat9092 Wrote:  At the end of today, every team in the MAC is at .500, or better...

And given the scheduling, they should be.

Yea if NIU is any good they'd have no more than 2 losses, to Missouri and Ohio State, with their schedule.

(12-12-2015 08:08 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 07:59 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 07:57 PM)OUBobcat9092 Wrote:  At the end of today, every team in the MAC is at .500, or better...

And given the scheduling, they should be.

Yea if NIU is any good they'd have no more than 2 losses, to Missouri and Ohio State, with their schedule.

UB is 5-5, but has already played road games at Old Dominion, St. Joseph's, Duke and Iowa State

Kent State with a win.

(12-12-2015 09:08 AM)Rocket A Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 05:52 PM)ouvan59 Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 04:55 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  I don't disagree with that, but teams like Toledo, CMU and Akron, who were all in the MAC Semifinals last year, need to schedule better in the non conference.

Some of that is bad luck. Akron has only two teams on their schedule to date that are traditionally bad. Cleveland State, Marshall and even Green Bay aren't normally as bad as they are this year. Toledo's schedule is the one that hurts. They don't have a single marquee game. In fact, they are about to hit the easy part of their schedule.

Toledo has scheduled up the last number of seasons. There is no doubt that Toledo scheduled down this year, I assume because there are 6 freshman on the roster. I think TK viewed this as a rebuilding year as opposed to a reloading year.

Exactly. When you have 7 freshman (1 is RS), you are not going to schedule games against top teams in the country.

(12-11-2015 04:38 PM)Frozenbaugh Wrote:  

(12-11-2015 02:47 PM)BullBoy Wrote:  Current Strength of Schedules:
Buffalo - 31
EMU - 59
WMU - 98
Ohio - 104
Kent State - 177
Miami - 220
Toledo - 265
CMU - 313
BG - 321
NIU - 326
Akron - 327
Ball State - 329

It is sad that nearly half the league has a SOS of over 300.. This is why we will never get multiple teams in the NCAA Tournament

I agree but BSU needs this right now. They won a big, fat total of 7 games last year and need to rack up some W's to get the program on it's feet again.

Remember also that BSU had Utah back out on them this year, which was replaced by one of the lower division teams on the sched if memory serves. But, I will agree that the schedule suits for this season. Now, if we're still scheduling a Billy Taylor schedule ongoing in the future, I'll be a bit miffed...

(12-12-2015 07:59 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  

(12-12-2015 07:57 PM)OUBobcat9092 Wrote:  At the end of today, every team in the MAC is at .500, or better...

And given the scheduling, they should be.

And yet this is the way the league schedules most years and one or two teams still can't seem to win. There are no absolute anchors in the league this year. That is assuming preseason favorite CMU gets their arses in gear.

OU cruising to victory tonight and Miami beats Jackson State, 64-53. Miami only had 17 points at the half but scored 47 in the second half to overcome 7 point deficit at the half. Shot terrible in the first half.